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To: Fester Chugabrew
"Not if science considers the current universe to be the result of countless potential combinations of matter forming by way of unguided, unintelligent, forces."

How does this view make the idea of Virgin Births any more subject to scientific examination?

"It is the naturalistic viewpoint of all viewpoints that condones virtually any potential combination of matter, or random occurence, and so a virgin birth, water into wine, etc. are viable possibilities scientifically speaking."

No, methodological naturalism does not allow any potential combination of matter. It is understood that the universe works by regular, law-like processes. Virgin births, water into wine, are all outside of scientific examination. They cannot be tested in any way.

"They must be, because matter is capable of behaving any way imaginable."

Nope, completely wrong.

"Hence we may very well see a virgin birth simply by virtue of mutation and natural selection"

Now your just making things up to make us laugh. lol

Your ideas just keep getting nuttier and nuttier.
373 posted on 12/05/2005 4:25:42 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
It is understood that the universe works by regular, law-like processes.

Sure. And within those processes any combination of matter is possible. It can combine to bring life out of non-life. It can combine in such a manner as to produce evolution in any sense. It is a small stretch to consider that molecules can combine under the same rules to form life apart from sexual intercourse, or wine apart from any process of fermentation as we know it.

If you are so sure that regular, law-like processes are involved with the universe, then it should also be no big stretch to infer intelligent design, because of all things, intelligent desing results in processes that are orderly and law-like.

How do you explain the law-like nature of the universe apart from either intelligence or design?

398 posted on 12/05/2005 5:07:38 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: CarolinaGuitarman

Which virgin birth?

Huitzilopochtli
Krishna
Dionysus
Buddha
Baldur
Mithra (Dec 25) (Oct 31 for computer junkies)
Amenophis III
Jason
...


462 posted on 12/05/2005 7:16:30 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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