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Rep. John Murtha May Face Ethics Investigation
sierratimes ^ | Dec 5, 2005 | Jim Kouri

Posted on 12/05/2005 7:41:51 AM PST by ncountylee

One of the mysteries these days is the about-face of a supposed Democrat war hawk, Representative John Murtha of Pennsylvania. Considered a supporter of the Iraq conflict, the decorated former Marine suddenly came out with statements calling for the withdrawal of US troops from Iraq and that the war is not winnable. After the liberal media feasted on his sudden burst on the national scene, Murtha became the new lightning rod for the antiwar, anti-American movement. Recently, he said that the US military was worn out and unable to protect Americans should a security crisis emerge. And the media again jumped all over the Murtha comments. John Murtha replaced Wesley Clark and John Kerry as the left's favorite veteran since they only love warriors opposed to war. Murtha is someone few Americans knew let alone cared about until he became the big thing in the media's relentless goal of undermining "Bush's war."

Meanwhile, another Democrat, Senator Joe Lieberman of Connecticut, a respected member of the US Senate and a former vice presidential candidate, returned from a fact-finding mission in Iraq. He told of the progress he had seen and wrote a column in the Wall Street Journal about his positive view of US operations in Iraq. Other than some radio talk shows, Senator Lieberman was all but ignored by the mainstream news media, preferring to run Murtha quotes or air Murtha soundbites.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Politics/Elections; US: District of Columbia; US: Pennsylvania; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 109; 109th; atta; bush; carmenscialabba; coward; deathpenalty; delay; ethics; exmarine; ksa; ksaconsulting; losangelestimes; murtha; probe; rollcall; scialabba; traitor
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1 posted on 12/05/2005 7:41:53 AM PST by ncountylee
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To: ncountylee

Of course they would have to find that Murtha had any ethics in the first place.


2 posted on 12/05/2005 7:42:44 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: ncountylee

This is part of Murtha's "plan".

Knowing he's going to be investigated, he takes the Pentagon's plans to draw down troops and sprinkles defeatist language and an artificial six-month time frame into it to make it very contraversial and appealing to the looney left.

Now, when he's investigated it will be called a "witchunt".


3 posted on 12/05/2005 7:45:23 AM PST by nuffsenuff (Don't get stuck on Stupid - General Russ Honore Sept 21, 2005)
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To: ncountylee

I have never seen any pro-war statements from Murtha, yet he is usually described as having had a change of mind.

A few years ago he was making anti-war statements along with Nancy Pelosi.


4 posted on 12/05/2005 7:45:43 AM PST by DBrow
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To: ncountylee

Something has to be done to put a stop to the culture of corruption currently afflicting congress.


5 posted on 12/05/2005 7:46:56 AM PST by Calusa (Say Nick, was ya ever stung by a dead bee?)
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To: nuffsenuff

Pacifism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.


6 posted on 12/05/2005 7:48:08 AM PST by Calusa (Say Nick, was ya ever stung by a dead bee?)
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To: ncountylee
"It's a question of ethics. As in: he ain't got any." - Miller's Crossing
7 posted on 12/05/2005 7:48:34 AM PST by wideawake
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To: nuffsenuff
Now, when he's investigated it will be called a "witchunt".

Yep. He knows the MSM will have his back and will potray the 'war hero' as a victim.

8 posted on 12/05/2005 7:48:42 AM PST by Semper Paratus
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To: DBrow

"A few years ago he was making anti-war statements along with Nancy Pelosi"

Yes he was, about 2 years ago he said the exact same thing and nobody cared. Murtha is a tool - but was not usable till Sheehan died out.


9 posted on 12/05/2005 7:49:56 AM PST by Cathy
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To: ncountylee

There is no mystery. It is the result of the sudden onset of clinical psychoses. I wish him well during his recovery.


10 posted on 12/05/2005 7:51:48 AM PST by InsureAmerica (Evil? I have many words for it. We are as dust, to them. - v v putin)
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To: ncountylee

http://www.investors.com/editorial/IBDArticles.asp?artsec=20&artnum=1&issue=20051121

http://www.hillnews.com/thehill/export/TheHill/News/Frontpage/101805/spending.html

http://www.investors.com/editorial/IBDArticles.asp?artsec=20&artnum=1&issue=20051121

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1532865/posts


11 posted on 12/05/2005 7:55:38 AM PST by BufordP (Excluding the WOT, I haven't trusted W since he coined the term "compassionate conservative")
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To: ncountylee

Add John Kerry to that list also. Way overdue!!!!


12 posted on 12/05/2005 7:57:00 AM PST by SR 50 (Larry)
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To: ncountylee

Was predicted weeks ago he was in CYA mode.


13 posted on 12/05/2005 7:57:44 AM PST by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: ncountylee
This is a quote my fellow Freepers from somebody who knows this stuff. Here it is:

WASHINGTON -- When Congress passed the $417-billion Pentagon spending bill last year, Rep. John P. Murtha, the top Democrat on the House defense appropriations subcommittee, boasted about the money he secured to create jobs in his Pennsylvania district.

But the bill Murtha helped write also benefited at least 10 companies represented by a lobbying firm where his brother, Robert "Kit" Murtha, is a senior partner, according to disclosure records, interviews and an analysis of the bill by the Los Angeles Times.

Clients of the lobbying firm KSA Consulting -- whose top officials also include former congressional aide Carmen V. Scialabba, who worked for Rep. Murtha for 27 years -- received a total of $20.8 million from the bill.

One of the clients, a small Arkansas maker of military vehicles, received $1.7 million, triple its total sales for 2004. Several other clients received money that represented more than half of their annual sales from last year.

KSA directly lobbied the congressman's office on behalf of seven companies that received money from the bill. And a defense contractor based in Pennsylvania said he hired KSA on the recommendation of a top Murtha aide.

Kit Murtha said in a phone interview that he did not lobby his brother's office and that he saw no problem working for a firm that did.

Most of KSA's defense clients hired the firm in hopes of securing funding from Rep. Murtha's subcommittee, according to lobbying records and interviews. And most retained the firm after Kit Murtha became a senior partner in 2002.

14 posted on 12/05/2005 7:58:24 AM PST by rambo316 (The democRATS continue in their treasonous ways.)
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To: nuffsenuff

"This is part of Murtha's "plan".

Knowing he's going to be investigated, he takes the Pentagon's plans to draw down troops and sprinkles defeatist language and an artificial six-month time frame into it to make it very contraversial and appealing to the looney left.

Now, when he's investigated it will be called a "witchunt"."


Bingo. Thought it warranted being repeated.


15 posted on 12/05/2005 7:59:40 AM PST by khnyny
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To: dfwgator
Murtha was 'hand selected' by the dem leadership to be the guy that stepped out and called for a pull-out of the troops in Iraq. They selected him because of his military service and the dems thinking that no one would be able to come out against Murtha without looking like they were attacking a decorated veteran.
16 posted on 12/05/2005 8:00:06 AM PST by zeaal (SPREAD TRUTH!)
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To: ncountylee
Nothing 'about face' with Murtha. He was telling slick willie to get out of Somalia after our Rangers were killed, because we weren't welcome in Somalia.

He was against the Bosnia mission, and now this despicable comment that the troops are broken and worn out.

The man is a hawk when it comes to getting military contracts for cronies and nothing more. He cares nothing for the troops or their missions.

17 posted on 12/05/2005 8:04:06 AM PST by OldFriend (The Dems enABLEd DANGER and 3,000 Americans died.)
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To: rambo316
Not finished yet, here is a little more: "Last year, Murtha strongarmed the Navy into transferring the Hunters Point Shipyard to the city of San Francisco, which had a contract with a company called Lennar, Inc. to “redevelop” the 500-acre site bringing millions in profits to Lennar. The Senior Vice-President of Lennar is Laurence Pelosi, Democrat House Leader Nancy Pelosi’s stepson.

This year, Murtha inserted several “earmarks” (specifically designated appropriations) into various defence bills giving millions of federal research dollars to companies owned by the children of Democrat Congressman Paul Kanjorski of Pennsylvania’s 11th district adjoining Murtha’s 12th."

This folks, is fact. Why isn't the Commie MSM talking about these facts. The RATS stink and the RATS in the media stink.

18 posted on 12/05/2005 8:05:30 AM PST by rambo316 (The democRATS continue in their treasonous ways.)
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To: Cathy

"Murtha is a tool.."

Yes, and he also appears to be feeling the effects of senility. A few days ago, even Chris Matthews, on a hardball show, found him to be too disconnected and verbose. He brought gadgets with him to illustrate his points, such as a brown paper bag with five single dollar bills that someone supposedly shoved into his hadns and admonished him to give to some "worthy" Murtha cause. Matthews listened to him more that he does anyone else without interruption, but it was difficult for him.


19 posted on 12/05/2005 8:07:31 AM PST by billhilly (John Murtha, ex Marine. Leading the charge of the Demoquits.)
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To: ncountylee

If Murtha, who I never heard of until a few weeks ago when he called for total withdrawal from Iraq, is such a fine man, an upstanding person, and a war hero as the President and Vice President said, then why is he a socialist?


20 posted on 12/05/2005 8:07:39 AM PST by R.W.Ratikal
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To: ncountylee
Murtha was the DemonKat's latest Useful Idiot.

Then he discovered he liked the taste of his 15 minutes of fame and has been trying to extend it.

It's a Main Stream Mejhedia myth that he ever was a hawk. He advised the Klintoon administration to pull out of Somalia as soon as our boys got shot at. ... and Klintoon did. Bin Laden took note that we cut and ran at the first sign of casualties, and the rest, as they say, is history.

In earlier more frank, non-PC times, Murtha would be denounced and shamed publicly for what he is, a traitor.

21 posted on 12/05/2005 8:08:36 AM PST by Babu
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To: ncountylee

Ah yes, the "Culture of Hypocrisy" rears its ugly head again.


22 posted on 12/05/2005 8:10:55 AM PST by FlipWilson
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To: R.W.Ratikal

Murtha is simply past his prime and under the influence of infectuous managers who have manipulated him. He has served his country well and needs to take a bow and depart the stage.


23 posted on 12/05/2005 8:11:43 AM PST by Broker (roger ball)
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To: ncountylee

"If John Murtha had a Medal of Honor or even a Silver Star I might consider him a hero, but the Bronze Star and Vietnamese medal were handed out like M & M’s."

"Most officers who went to Vietnam came home with them, if they served in any kind of combat unit. Like most of us, of that era, he did his duty."

"Nothing more and nothing less."

"As far as his military expertise, I am not impressed with anyone who spent 37 years in the Marine Corps and retired a Lt. Col."



http://polipundit.com/wp-comments-popup.php?p=11478&c=1#comments


25 posted on 12/05/2005 8:12:28 AM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: ncountylee

I hope I have a brother or sister who gets elected to Congress so I can get a high dollar job with a defense contractor, just like Murtha's brother did. Whoo hoo! Bick bucks! I'll go shoppin at the fancy stores. I'll move to Malibu and go surfin. I'll ski at Aspen. I'll get me a big ole yacht and one of them long Hummer limos. Ooo, ooo, and a fancy sports car too. And a private jet. Life will be good. Please vote for my brother.


26 posted on 12/05/2005 8:13:47 AM PST by advance_copy (Stand for life, or nothing at all)
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To: ncountylee

An ethics investigation couldn't happen to a 'better' guy.


27 posted on 12/05/2005 8:14:52 AM PST by Mrs. Shawnlaw (Rock beats scissors, don't run with rocks. NRA)
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To: ncountylee

We know Murtha's gameplan. Really brilliant if we didn't know about KSA.


28 posted on 12/05/2005 8:15:26 AM PST by desherwood7
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To: ncountylee

National Security:

Contrary to popular opinion, Rep. John Murtha, the ex-Marine who called for an immediate withdrawal from Iraq, is no hawk.

He may also soon be probed for misusing defense appropriations.

"If you want anything done on the committee, you go to Murtha."

He's delivered so much pork to his congressional district, an airport and a major highway are named after Murtha.

Ashdown and his nonpartisan watchdog group criticized Murtha for using the $417 billion fiscal 2005 Pentagon spending bill to give business to his lobbyist brother.

The Los Angeles Times in June reported that Murtha funneled nearly $21 million to 10 or more corporate clients of KSA Consulting, where Robert "Kit" Murtha is a senior partner.

Carmen Scialabba, a Murtha congressional aide for 27 years, is also a high-ranking official at KSA.

The newspaper Roll Call reported that there might be a House ethics committee investigation of Murtha's apparent improprieties.

But is that possible now that Murtha has become the media's "hawk with a conscience?"

Come to think of it, could Murtha have been thinking about a possible ethics investigation when he decided to throw himself into the public limelight last week?

http://www.investors.com/editorial/IBDArticles.asp?artsec=20&artnum=1&issue=20051121


30 posted on 12/05/2005 8:16:35 AM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: advance_copy

no kiddin'. HE is worse than a neo-liberal activist. He was a warrior once and has sold our servicemen down the river for 60 peices of silver. Hopeful , that in a sudden moment of reason and concience he removes himself from the scene if you follow the logic.


31 posted on 12/05/2005 8:17:23 AM PST by ping jockey (radical islam; the great evil of all times.)
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To: ncountylee
Methinks Murtha put himself up as a target to provide cover against investigations by claiming them a political witch-hunt.
32 posted on 12/05/2005 8:19:40 AM PST by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are REALLY stupid.)
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To: nuffsenuff
My thoughts exactly, your words concise and to the point.
33 posted on 12/05/2005 8:22:40 AM PST by gumboyaya
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To: nuffsenuff
Very well stated,think the dem leadership may have had a role in devising the plan as well.
34 posted on 12/05/2005 8:24:36 AM PST by carlr
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To: Semper Paratus
Remember.....Joe Wilson said that Valarie's outing was a warning to others....This will happen to you!!

When will the Dems admit that if they hadn't sent Joe to Niger in the first place (via his wife's intercession besides) and Cooper hadn't made his "involve Rove and Libby" calls.....we wouldn't know or care who Valerie OR JOE is/was.

35 posted on 12/05/2005 8:25:03 AM PST by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: ncountylee

The bigger question is, "Why are the MSM so obviously biased against Republicans and selectively report only the things that will damage Republicans?

The answer is that the MSM have a dog in this hunt. They are losing market share to other forms if information dissemination, like this one, Fox News, talk radio, etc.

The MSM would clearly like more legislation like the Campaign Finance Reform law, which limit information flow through channels other than their own. Obviously, this is much more difficult to accomplish with Republicans in control.

Therefore, it is reasonable to conclude that the MSM are selectively reporting the news in a way to reduce Republican majorities and increase the MSM's chances to accomplish through legislation a return to their previous dominance that the free market no longer allows them.


36 posted on 12/05/2005 8:27:22 AM PST by LOC1
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To: Calusa

Fire all of 'em...term limits on the next group of senators and reps.


37 posted on 12/05/2005 8:28:21 AM PST by shield (The Greatest Scientific Discoveries of the Century Reveal God!!!! by Dr. H. Ross, Astrophysicist)
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To: ncountylee
Murtha is another back stabbing hate monger. He saw that Cindy Sheman failed so in the absence of traitors like John "hanoi" Kerry and spit on them Jane he has followed in their steps rather than come up with some constructive method of making his point without stabbing the Veteran in the back!!
38 posted on 12/05/2005 8:28:43 AM PST by mountainlyons (Merry CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!)
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To: billhilly

Which shows how despicable the libs truly are. They don't care if he is senile, they will use him till he is useless.


39 posted on 12/05/2005 8:34:04 AM PST by Cathy
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To: ncountylee
Why did Murtha suddenly change his mind?

I live next door to Murtha's district and have been observing him for years. First, he is not very smart ... certainly not smart enough to think through a preemptive strategy to derail corruption charges. Second, I doubt that he sees anything wrong with the activities being alleged ... he views his ability to steer contracts to relatives and friends as a 'right' earned by his years of seniority, and something that 'everyone' does. So, I think he suddenly 'changed his mind' because he was told to do so by party leadership ... he has always been a loyal party hack who can be counted on to spew the party line and support fellow party hacks. In this regard, unfortunately, he is probably no different than 90% of the members of Congress.

40 posted on 12/05/2005 8:42:42 AM PST by layman (Card Carrying Infidel)
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To: ncountylee

pinging


41 posted on 12/05/2005 8:43:00 AM PST by sure_fine (*not one to over kill the thought process*)
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To: ncountylee

Why did Murtha suddenly change his mind? Was this a calculated effort to win the news media over? Is this something he hopes will insulate him from something that is brewing within the Beltway?

Well, according to investigative journalist Sher Zieve, the House Ethics committee is considering investigating Rep. John Murtha for House multiple ethics violations. The investigation would center on Rep. Murtha’s involvement with his brother’s firm KSA Consulting.

The story, which originally ran in the Los Angeles Times on 13 June, surrounds the 2005 appropriations bill that funded $20M to companies for which KSA Consulting lobbied. Murtha is a leader on the House Defense Appropriations Committee. An aide to Murtha, Carmen Scialabba, also works for KSA.

Further reported by the LA Times is that KSA directly lobbied Murtha’s office for funding on behalf of 7 of its clients and that a Murtha aide advised a defense contractor that it needed to retain the services of KSA Consulting.

Zieve also dug up a recent editorial appearing in Investor’s Business Daily that stated: “The newspaper Roll Call reported that there might be a House ethics committee investigation of Murtha's apparent improprieties.


42 posted on 12/05/2005 8:56:51 AM PST by Valin (Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but some abuse the privilege)
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To: ncountylee
I have no problem with Murtha and any "ethics" violations. After Duke Cunningham, I just figure they are all like that. Like diapers and for the same reason, they need to be changed regularly. But if the voters do not change them, I figure they accept or even approve what their local crook is doing.
However there is a statement in the story that I take issue with the author over.

" So what happened to Senator Corzine? He got elected governor of arguably the most corrupt state in the Union."

How dare he? There is only one statistic that Mississippi ranks number one in. CORRUPTION! Now this guy is trying to take that away from us.
43 posted on 12/05/2005 9:08:24 AM PST by Long Distance Rider
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To: nuffsenuff

Good Point. Very clever, these filthy LIbs.


44 posted on 12/05/2005 9:57:05 AM PST by jw777
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To: ncountylee

Murtha also strong-armed the USMC into placing a detachment of AH-1 and UH-1 helicopters in his district during BRAC-93. When informed of the plan the chairman of the BRAC committee, former congressman Jim Courter said; "We're in the business of shutting down bases not creating new ones."


45 posted on 12/05/2005 10:12:38 AM PST by paddles
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To: ncountylee
Question. When is the last time Murtha was in Iraq?

When he came out for immediate withdrawal, he said he based his opinion on conversations he had with troops in Iraq. But then went on to say that he had visited Iraq "last year," which I have to say, seems like 2004.

I have a son in Iraq for the 3rd time. 15 months ago his attitude was less positive than it is now. Is Murtha going on old info? There has been so much done in 2005, it's hard to square his statements with reality on the ground unless maybe he is working from information gathered at the"low point" in morale, mid-late 2004.

46 posted on 12/05/2005 10:20:44 AM PST by cookcounty (Army Vet, Army Dad.)
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To: dfwgator
Reminds me of Illinois Republican George Ryan, who after it emerged he was going to face ethics charges, suddenly started courting the left, looking for sympathy among "Progressive Democrats" and to take advantage of their deep and abiding connections with the MSM.

It was at that point that Ryan annouced the Death Penalty Moratorium, and led an Illinois trade mission to Cuba, where he enjoyed the company of Fidel, a "Governor" who doesn't take crap from anybody.

Murtha is likely looking for a Chris Mathews Innocualtion.

47 posted on 12/05/2005 10:26:28 AM PST by cookcounty (Army Vet, Army Dad.)
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To: ncountylee

Here's another possible reason for his little speeches - he knew this was coming, and now can claim the Republicans are trying to destroy him because he disagreed with the administration on the war.

Here it comes, folks.


48 posted on 12/05/2005 10:30:28 AM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: Calusa
Something has to be done to put a stop to the culture of corruption currently afflicting congress.

Vote anit-incumbent, every time, no matter what party loses out.

49 posted on 12/05/2005 10:30:49 AM PST by Wolfie
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To: ncountylee

John Murtha may face HEAD EXAMINATION...


50 posted on 12/05/2005 10:31:27 AM PST by mhking (The world needs a wake up call gentlemen...we're gonna phone it in.)
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