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Republicanism in decline
town hall ^ | Dec 3, 2005 | Tony Snow is the host of the 'Tony Snow Show' on Fox News Radio.

Posted on 12/05/2005 9:43:02 AM PST by strategofr

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To: tkathy
I know a lot of republicans and not one single one is a "coward". Why doesn't Tony just shut up?

Well, considering that spending keeps going up and up, then there are only two possibilities: they are cowards or they are liberals.

21 posted on 12/05/2005 10:08:21 AM PST by Jibaholic (The facts of life are conservative - Margaret Thatcher)
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To: strategofr

The conservative movement of Goldwater and Reagan is dead. Time for a new generation of leaders to infuse the GOP with vision and courage.


22 posted on 12/05/2005 10:08:31 AM PST by My2Cents (Dead people voting is the closest the Democrats come to believing in eternal life.)
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To: tkathy
I know a lot of republicans and not one single one is a "coward".

You're joking, right?

23 posted on 12/05/2005 10:11:34 AM PST by Sloth (Freedom of speech doesn't mean the rest of us have to shut up.)
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To: strategofr

Bravo to Tony Snow for this article. He couldn't of expressed my feeling any better BUMP!


24 posted on 12/05/2005 10:12:11 AM PST by conservativecorner
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To: strategofr

Bump for cowards.


25 posted on 12/05/2005 10:13:29 AM PST by Tarpon
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To: tkathy

"I know a lot of republicans and not one single one is a "coward". Why doesn't Tony just shut up?"

You obviously do not know many congresscritters or local RINO's. Spine is not an organ they are born with.

Think "Wormtougue" from the Ring trilogy.


26 posted on 12/05/2005 10:19:54 AM PST by Jim Verdolini (We had it all, but the RINOs stalked the land and everything they touched was as dung and ashes!)
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To: Victoria Delsoul

Ping.


27 posted on 12/05/2005 10:21:15 AM PST by Alberta's Child (What it all boils down to is that no one's really got it figured out just yet.)
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To: strategofr
Leaders in the Party of Lincoln stopped talking about people, and started talking about programs and expenditures.

I find it more than a bit ironic that Snow rightly criticizes the GOP for the massive expansion of the Federal government that has occurred in recent years . . . and in the course of his article refers to the U.S. president who was probably more responsible for the rise of the Federal government as an uncontrollable institution than anyone save FDR.

28 posted on 12/05/2005 10:23:56 AM PST by Alberta's Child (What it all boils down to is that no one's really got it figured out just yet.)
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To: tkathy

Look at many members of congress and most of the Senate.


29 posted on 12/05/2005 10:26:39 AM PST by bahblahbah
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To: tkathy

TKathy, meet Licoln The Commie Chafee.

Now, you can retract your post.


30 posted on 12/05/2005 10:28:46 AM PST by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (“Don't let anyone tell you we can't control our borders,”)
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To: My2Cents

Indiana Congressman Mike Pence


31 posted on 12/05/2005 10:29:43 AM PST by BransonRevival (Mike Pence for President)
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To: tkathy

Bad choice of word.........how 'bout GUTLESS, SPINELESS,


32 posted on 12/05/2005 10:33:57 AM PST by newcthem (Madison: Twenty square miles surrounded on all sides by reality)
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To: libertarianPA

"There are just people who have decided to make politics a career."

Amen! Oh, for the days when people took up the mantle of servant leadership, left their farms for 4-6 years, then WENT BACK HOME and let some new blood in. Nobody ought to be more than a 2-term anything, IMHO.


33 posted on 12/05/2005 10:44:33 AM PST by jagusafr (The proof that we are rightly related to God is that we do our best whether we feel inspired or not")
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To: libertarianPA

"I hope I'm dead before I see the end result. Clearly no one in Washington has any intention of fiscal conservatism anymore. When George Bush goes on TV and pledges $200 billion to New Orleans and then tells everyone that the reason those people are poor is because of racism, conservatism in Washington is clearly dead."

I'd like to think that a President doesn't make a party, but just has the wheel for a while. There's more to Republicans than him.

Unfortunately, if his compassionate conservatism or communitarianism didn't tip off primary voters in 2000, who can you blame? He never said he was a solid conservative.

And please, God, do something about McCain before 2008.


34 posted on 12/05/2005 10:45:52 AM PST by Frank T
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To: strategofr

Tony says it right. I get those questionaires in the mail asking what I think is important to the government and at the end they ask for money. I'm glad it comes with a postage free return envelope because I don't fill out the survey and I tell them exactly why I will not donate to a party who has left its' base and looks more and more like the democratic party every day.


35 posted on 12/05/2005 10:51:42 AM PST by taxesareforever (Government is running amuck)
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To: meandog

Parties very seldom fold. They are usually successful in rolling out new policies as time progresses to meet the changing concerns of voters and supporters of the day. Correcting the course as needed.

A party will only fold when it's either out of step with most of it's membership, or when it too closely mirrors the opposition party and its base ("extremes") are not represented adequately. And FWIW, the Republicans aren't the party of Pulosi, Dean and Reid. There's enough on the other side for rank and file to stick around to oppose... probably. It happened last year, to keep out John Kerry. We have to see if either Party's leadership really starts to step out of synch with the base, more than grassroots are complaining about today.

Jeff Jacoby made a good point in his article on Townhall today, about how the absolute abortion stances of either party can't be legislated while Roe v. Wade stands, but given that Republicans are pushing for middle ground measures like parental consent and banning unpopular partial birth abortion, the Dems have been hurt more electorally in the past few decades. But what happens if Roe v. Wade is overturned?? Then many voters go back to the Democrats. There is a natural tendancy towards different types of political outlooks, and regarless of what you call the parties, these outlooks need to be represented. For Republicans, fortunately, the Dems haven't been serving their natural base good enough, and that moves some voters across the line on important issues.

My hope is, if things like Roe V. Wade, the marriage question, and some other cultural questions get settled, the two political parties loose some of these contradictions and offer more clear cut ideological choices.

The Democrats, historically, have been communitarian. Used to be right wing communitarianism for natives, and ethnic communitarianism for immigrants, but now is mostly let wing communitarianism. But it's the same root impulse. They became too egalitarian to retain their national majority.

The early federalists, then the Whigs, and then the GOP have been the party of revolution, and backed the individual in making his own way, and bearing the burden of his own mistakes. Constitutional guarantees such as free speech and the right to bare arms, and the prohibition against owning other people *are* radical things, given what history has shown us. These constitutional amendments are not moderate or centrist. The sad part is that the trajectory has been going down, and too many compromises with the Left have been made over the years.


36 posted on 12/05/2005 11:20:54 AM PST by Frank T
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To: Alberta's Child

To be fair, Lincoln died before the "French Revolution" stage of American politics.

Democrats have been riding the Expand Government pony ever since, too.


37 posted on 12/05/2005 11:25:56 AM PST by Frank T
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To: jagusafr
Oh, for the days when people took up the mantle of servant leadership, left their farms for 4-6 years, then WENT BACK HOME and let some new blood in.

dude - You and I are totally on the same wavelength. I think a big solution to this mess - even though it would never pass for obvious reasons - is to ammend the constitution to impose term limits on Senators and congressmen, as well as the President: President - One 6 year term Congress - Three 2 year terms Senate - Two(or three) 3 year terms Until we make politics a service instead of an occupation, America is truly screwed.
38 posted on 12/05/2005 11:42:12 AM PST by libertarianPA
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To: ChadsDad
My congresscritter is the worst kind of republican.

Tell me about it! I'm from Ohio.

(DeWine, Taft, and Voinovich.)

39 posted on 12/05/2005 11:47:37 AM PST by far sider
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To: Frank T
IMHO the Dems are bleeding members faster than the GOP; look at the numbers fleeing union bastions (i.e. AFL-CIO rolls. Also, as the bedrock of always counted-on minority voters continue to gain better economic status, there will be no-one left save extreme kooks (communists, hard-line socialists) if the Dems continue in this tact. If you track the history of political parties (such as the "No Nothings," etc.) you will see the recipe for failure...
The trouble is that many Republicans are now acting much like moderate Democrats in that spending is up, so is corruption, and domestic issues that bite at the typical American (illegal immigration, high gas prices, education, crime) are being ignored.
40 posted on 12/05/2005 12:05:21 PM PST by meandog (FUDU)
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