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Mark Steyn: Still ironing out the wrinkles (Canada!)
Western Standard ^ | December 12, 2005 issue | Mark Steyn

Posted on 12/05/2005 1:16:06 PM PST by NZerFromHK

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Mark Steyn is one of a few Canadian columnists that sees clearly the situation in the decayed dominion (his coinings, not mine), and who is also realistic enough to know the chance of turn-around for Canada is - not much bar a miracle.

It is true that at the end of the day, people get the government they deserve.

1 posted on 12/05/2005 1:16:08 PM PST by NZerFromHK
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It is true that at the end of the day, people get the government they deserve.

In a country with more or less free elections, absolutely.

Not really applicable to others.

2 posted on 12/05/2005 1:24:20 PM PST by Restorer (They want to die. We want to kill them.)
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To: NZerFromHK; GMMAC; Pikamax; Former Proud Canadian; Great Dane; Alberta's Child; headsonpikes; ...
I guess Mark should use a '/sarc' tag, eh?


There are trees in that forest.



When Liberal hacks drone on about “da Canadian values,” we should know what that boils down to: we now live in a political system where, when dealing with a minister of the Crown, one is obliged to sign a piece of paper undertaking not to offer a bribe to him or accept one therefrom.

In case it has escaped you, we are fighting against liberals for our very country.

realistic enough to know the chance of turn-around for Canada is - not much bar a miracle.

Why, thanks again, for your support. /barf

3 posted on 12/05/2005 1:24:40 PM PST by fanfan (" The liberal party is not corrupt " Prime Minister Paul Martin)
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To: NZerFromHK

All in all, a breakup might be a good thing. That's what eventually happens to big, unwieldy socialist states.


4 posted on 12/05/2005 1:26:49 PM PST by coydog (My bathroom djinn can beat up your bathroom djinn!)
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C’mon, Ontario, prove me wrong.

It's a decisive election for the country - I still hope that Ontario will do the right thing.

5 posted on 12/05/2005 1:34:49 PM PST by headsonpikes (The Liberal Party of Canada are not b*stards - b*stards have mothers!)
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Don't hold your breath, man. Most Ontarians can't even speak English or read & write.


6 posted on 12/05/2005 1:40:30 PM PST by Ashamed Canadian (America - please invade us now!!)
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To: Ashamed Canadian

Count me in with you - ASHAMED!!! in fact DOUBLE ASHAMED. If Ontario puts the Liberals back in this country IS COMPLETELY FINISHED!! COMPLETELY!!


7 posted on 12/05/2005 1:53:39 PM PST by Canadian Outrage (All us Western Canadians NEED to SEPARATE from the rest of Canada because we are the ONLY Conservati)
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To: Canadian Outrage; Ashamed Canadian; GMMAC; Snowyman; proud American in Canada; kanawa
Wow!

What a great team of cheerleaders we have here!


Suck it up girls!
Act like a member of a winning team, for a change.

/end rant. Sorry.

;-D

CO, you should only feel shame if you don't try.

Talk to people, tell them what us Conservatives stand for.

Most people don't pay attention to politics, and many won't, even during this election, until after the 'Holy Days'.

We have 1 1/2 months to convince our families, friends and neighbors that the Conservatives will make a better government.

We know it. It's a fact, right?

Let's spread the good news this Christmas.

8 posted on 12/05/2005 2:19:25 PM PST by fanfan (" The liberal party is not corrupt " Prime Minister Paul Martin)
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To: Canadian Outrage

I'm with you. Get ANGRY at the snobs in Ontario who WILL NOT vote conservative and get Ontario cleaned up. If you can do that, you will take back Canada.


9 posted on 12/05/2005 2:22:46 PM PST by Siena Dreaming
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To: fanfan

fan fan - I WORK with the local Conservative Party and I did with the Reform before it. I am doing MY part here. I can't control what happens in Ontario and I'd be lying if I said I wasn't worried. We've been stung too many times. If EVER there was a time that people should have a change of mind it's NOW. If this doesn't do it, NOTHING will. So GET OUT THE CONSERVATIVE VOTE guys.!!! I'm donating to the Party and so far Stephen Harper couldn't be better. Martin looks and sounds rediculous and frantic. But then I read Mark and I wobble.


10 posted on 12/05/2005 2:34:56 PM PST by Canadian Outrage (All us Western Canadians NEED to SEPARATE from the rest of Canada because we are the ONLY Conservati)
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To: NZerFromHK

Canada is dying.... The Liberals are gaining in Ontario at the moment while dying in the West. The Maritimers, God Bless Them, are like crack whores needing a new fix from the crack dealer in Ottawa. The Quebeckers are savvy but we all know the seperatist flap is a sham. Anyone who isn't willing to die for independance isn't serious.
If the Liberals get a majority or even a strong minority, I'm gone.


11 posted on 12/05/2005 2:50:01 PM PST by rasblue (Everyone has their price)
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But then I read Mark and I wobble.

You are experiencing, first hand, the disconnect between most people , and their politics.

Like the promise to cut the GST to 5%,..... the best policies are ones that people can understand.

So GET OUT THE CONSERVATIVE VOTE guys.!!!
I'm donating to the Party and so far Stephen Harper couldn't be better.


12 posted on 12/05/2005 2:51:34 PM PST by fanfan (" The liberal party is not corrupt " Prime Minister Paul Martin)
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To: NZerFromHK

This culture of corruption transcends everything else.

This election is not (only) about liberalism vs. socialism vs. conservatism. It is about the very foundation of our democracy.

Building political structures on a base of corruption; is akin to building levees on mud and silt. No matter how well built the programs are; the whole works will fail if the foundation is corrupt.


13 posted on 12/05/2005 3:18:04 PM PST by USFRIENDINVICTORIA (")
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To: Ashamed Canadian

I'm just an outsider looking in (American) but it sure seems to me that you Canadians have a good guy in Stephen Harper. Hope that a majority of your countrymen feel the same.


14 posted on 12/05/2005 3:37:06 PM PST by OldPossum
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To: Canadian Outrage

Wow, the Conservative Party should hire you as our presss agent.
Rather than persuading Canadians that conservatism is superior
to liberalism/socialism/communism on rational grounds, you would
basically argue that unles they vote Conservative, the country is finished!
And you could add your unifying tagline that the West should seperate.
Thanks for being a patriotic Canadian.


15 posted on 12/05/2005 3:48:37 PM PST by CaptainCanada (A government that is big enough to give you all you want is big enough to take it all away.)
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Thanks for understanding my passion because one of our other posters is "sick of my Ontario bashing"!! LOL I know Stephen Harper, he is a really good man, he would do wonders for this country, and I just hate to see it go to the dogs AGAIN. I'm doing all that I can where I am.


16 posted on 12/05/2005 6:42:10 PM PST by Canadian Outrage (All us Western Canadians NEED to SEPARATE from the rest of Canada because we are the ONLY Conservati)
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To: rasblue

Very well explained. You summed it up just about right. The Maritimes unfortunately, goes for whoever promises to bail them out with $$.

I just heard on the news this afternoon that Ford is closing a HUGE number of North American plants or dealerships. Whatever one it was it was a very large number. Is there a Ford plant in Ontario besides a GM one? I'm not sure. Ford is apparently "re-structuring"!! That probably means moving to another country or downsizing to the point that the jobs lost will not be coming back.


17 posted on 12/05/2005 6:47:27 PM PST by Canadian Outrage (All us Western Canadians NEED to SEPARATE from the rest of Canada because we are the ONLY Conservati)
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"Is there a Ford plant in Ontario besides a GM one?"

Windsor

18 posted on 12/05/2005 6:52:32 PM PST by LZ_Bayonet
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To: LZ_Bayonet

Thank you LZ. It looks like it might be closed.


19 posted on 12/05/2005 6:57:50 PM PST by Canadian Outrage (All us Western Canadians NEED to SEPARATE from the rest of Canada because we are the ONLY Conservati)
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Windsor

FWIW Hargrove is saying he thinks it is safe based on the last contract negotiations

20 posted on 12/05/2005 6:59:42 PM PST by kanawa
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