The Case For Getting Out Of Iraq Now (BARF - Young skulls being filled with mush)

Rolling Stone Magazine ^ | December 1, 2005 | Robert Dreyfuss

[dalight]

George Bush is just about the only person in Washington these days who doesn't know that the United States has lost the war in Iraq. "We're never going to back down, we're never going to give in, we'll never accept anything less than total victory," Bush declared in mid-October.

But in the rest of Washington, including the Pentagon, nearly everyone else is thinking about exit strategies. Public support for the war has fallen to an all-time low. Top U.S. generals in Iraq are telling anyone who'll listen that the war has no military solution and are quietly floating ideas to shrink the American occupation. Sen. John Kerry, who spent all of last year waffling on Iraq, now calls for the immediate withdrawal of 20,000 troops and says "our military presence in vast and visible numbers has become part of the problem, not the solution." More than sixty members of Congress have joined the Out of Iraq Caucus, and Sen. Chuck Hagel, a Republican from Nebraska, charges that the United States is bogged down in Iraq and needs to "start figuring out how we get out of there."

The dilemma now facing the United States is not how to win the war in Iraq but how to end it. The disastrous occupation has left Iraq teetering on the brink of all-out civil war

For more pain.. here is the whole thing

[dalight]

You know, I think this is boiling down to WINNERS and LOSERS. The Democrats and Media Elite types have settled on a new line to replace the old "Bush Lied" one. Now its, we have already lost, Bush is going to pull out and kill a bunch of young soldiers on the way so .. lets declare defeat and bug out.. otherwise known as "Cut and Run" So the new Democratic stance on how to win the War on Terror is to unilaterally accept defeat despite any facts to the contrary.

I was struck by this piece for a number of reasons, most of which is that this bit of barf is being pumped into the heads of young Americans as "truth." But, if you read this thing, It reads like it could have been written by John Kerry. The basic hypothesis being that if we just left the terrorists alone they would quit bugging us. I guess its time to start fitting American wo men for their burkhas. Gees.

[GeronL]

The US lost the war??? say what?

[cowboyway]

George Bush is just about the only person in Washington these days who doesn't know that the United States has lost the war in Iraq

There's a bunch of us in South Carolina that doesn't know that the US has lost, either.

Rolling Stone Magazine = fish wrap.

[dalight]

This was what Dean, and Barbara Boxer and Nancy Pelosi are all out selling on the talk shows, and Murtha is claiming the Army is broken and scattered. Hard to imagine eh.. Imagine Guadalcanal with the Democrats in as the opposition party.

[GeronL]

These idiots will do everything they can NOT to have a vote on a pull-out and they spiel this garbage??

[GeronL]

Lets see they passed a Constitution and held elections, and this is LOSING??

[dalight]

It may be fish wrap but twenty somethings read this and accept it as fact.

I was home for Thanksgiving and my Uncle was grousing about how the war was a big mistake, and my jaw just dropped to the floor. I would never thought they could have gotten to him. If this poison is uncountered, it grows.

This is what Kerry led with lies and distortions in 1971 in support of North Vietnam, and the Democrat party is at it again, trying to lead the United States to defeat. Except, with Vietnam, the threat was pretty nebulous, and I cannot recall the North Vietnamese blowing up buildings in the US or killing 3000 of our citizens.

The World Trade center was no Gulf of Tonkin. And, as we are fighting Al Queda in Iraq, the same group that claims responsibility for the world Trade Center. These folks are saying the best thing is to surrender. Surrender to perhaps 10,000 terrorists running for their lives at this point. Its sickening

[Beckwith]

Another liberal identifies himself as a fool.

[samtheman]

The key to getting the word out to this generation is to get more coverage for returning soldiers. Those who have served in Iraq believe we are winning in Iraq. There's got to be a way to give them more of a public forum on this issue.

[bobjam]

Folks, this is Rollingstone Magazine. Their audience is the same aging hipsters that show up at anti-war rallies.

[manwiththehands]

Funny. I thought I woke up in a parallel universe. Then I noticed it was Rolling Stone magazine.

They need to put the crack pipes away or just stick with writing stories about Madonna's latest sex escapades.

[roses of sharon]

Gee, I wonder if the left is poisoning the water right before the Dec 15 elections in Iraq? Yes. Why?

Because they don't want it to look like another success?

Or do they want to embolden the terrorists to kill more to reduce turnout for the elections, so they can claim failure?

Either way, the left and our enemies in Iraq succeed.

One more question.

Is this betrayal by "Americans" the first shot in a CWII?

Yes.

[hiramknight]

Rolling Stone? More like Rolling Stoned.

[Abathar]

"According to (Westley) Clark, the United States needs to involve Syria's President al-Assad and the rest of Iraq's neighbors in talks. "It's in the interest of all these countries to want us to leave," Clark says. "They don't want a big conflict in the region." Even Iran, which is building up influence in Iraq, might stop its meddling for a broader deal over its own nuclear program, trade and economic development. "The two countries we most need the help of are Syria and Iran," says Chas Freeman, ambassador to Saudi Arabia during the Gulf War. "But instead of trying to involve them, we're upping the ante by confronting them" -- a policy that is likely to widen the conflict rather than shrink it."

""They don't want a big conflict in the region.""

What a moron... Of course they don't, the conflict will be from their own people finally seeing what freedom can bring and overthrowing their sorry @sses. These appeasers will never understand the truth and will allow themselves to be used by those that utterly detest them and everything they stand for.

[hiramknight]

Since MSM controls what propaganda we the public gets fed, and that type of information not fitting the liberal agenda, we can be sure that that will only happen on a very small scale and only then, with some kind of twist.

[litehaus]

"For more pain.. here is the whole thing"

Sorry, not into that.......LOL...

[dalight]

The funny thing.. is that this whole line of attack was predicated on the President's slumping poll numbers that they believed could be hit harder by pushing him into capitulating on the war. But, instead, the more the President pushes back and calls these people out, his ratings are finally going up.

There have been several surveys here on Free Republic that I couldn't help but say I didn't approve of how the administration was doing things.. but not because they were being too aggressive. Instead, the turn the other cheek thing just wasn't working.. like the terrorists, if you appease a Democrat who is lying.. you just encourage them to do it more.

[pasquale]

George Bush is just about the only person in Washington these days who doesn't know that the United States has lost the war in Iraq.

There's two of us in Washington who also didn't get the word. Me and dubya.