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His dark materials (Chronicles of Narnia)
The Guardian ^ | 12/3/05

Posted on 12/06/2005 7:36:27 AM PST by Valin

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To: maestro

I studied Lewis intensely at one point (wrote my master's thesis on him) and found nothing to substantiate what you are saying.


61 posted on 12/06/2005 9:22:01 AM PST by twigs
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To: AnAmericanMother

Anyone thinking Lewis is a misogynist should read "Till We Have Faces"


62 posted on 12/06/2005 9:23:11 AM PST by chronic_loser (Handle provided free of charge as flame bait for the neurally vacant.)
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To: Valin

To me (as an Orthodox Christian) the one really problematic thing about Lewis (besides some generically Western heresies) is his Platonism. Origen went off the deep end trying to wed Christianity and Platonism, and from time to time Lewis totters on the edge of the same abyss.

That being said, I am looking forward to the screen TLTWTW, and (heh! heh!) hoping for faithful screen adaptations of the other six (I'll forgive them if they roll Prince Caspian and the Voyage of the Dawn Treader into one film, and even if they skip The Horse and His Boy, provided it's told in brief with faithful renditions of the action, at the point where the minstrel tells the story in The Silver Chair.)

I'll especially relish secular left's reaction to The Silver Chair, which at its core is a critique of secularism, and The Last Battle, which looks prophetic in view of the secularists affection for Islamism (for those who haven't read it, the Narnian Antichrist, the Antiaslan if you will, is a fake put up by Narnian secularists and the Calormenes--thinly veiled Muslims.)


64 posted on 12/06/2005 9:34:05 AM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: twigs
I studied Lewis intensely at one point (wrote my master's thesis on him) and found nothing to substantiate what you are saying.

.......what school??

Surely, not a seminary.....

65 posted on 12/06/2005 9:34:22 AM PST by maestro
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To: ClearCase_guy

Ugh, I read the "Golden Compass", but couldn't read the sequel. That book was HORRIBLE, HORRIBLE, HORRIBLE!!! I hadn't made the Pullman connection myself. Ugh, what a horrible man to have been able to think up that story.....


66 posted on 12/06/2005 9:37:42 AM PST by Explorer89
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To: maestro
It is NOT christian,....but it is REALLY.....Pro-Islamic!>

Jesus is coming to RAPTURE the Church,.....NOT the kingdom!!!! The stupidity of some posters knows no bounds. There is NO biblical evidence, nor historical evidence (including the artful constructs of "pseudo Ephraem") for any Christian anywhere, anytime, looking for a "secret rapture."

If you want to be a dispensationalist and buy into a weird system of doctrine that no one believed or even heard of before Charles Darby in the 1830s, and which came from a charismatic milkmaid named Margaret McDonald in an Irvingite service (Edward Irving was a heretical presbyterian who became charismatic. Darby had connections with him and there is good solid evidence that he got the doctrine of a secret rapture from his contacts there), then be my guest.

However, to deride something as "NOT christian" because it doesn't conform to such a doctrine, is idiotic, and so stupid that only in American fundamentalism would it be tolerated.

67 posted on 12/06/2005 9:40:38 AM PST by chronic_loser (Handle provided free of charge as flame bait for the neurally vacant.)
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To: maestro

No, not a seminary.


68 posted on 12/06/2005 9:41:50 AM PST by twigs
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To: The_Reader_David

I don't agree with all of Lewis's beliefs, but then I don't agree with many of the people which whom I worship. I love Lewis' writings.


69 posted on 12/06/2005 9:43:26 AM PST by twigs
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To: maestro

You sir, are a nitwit.

The metaphorical use of a lion in Lewis's fiction has precedent in God's self-revelation in the actual world (cf. the Lion of Judah).

You evidently have not troubled to read the books, since you ignore Lewis's return to the Lamb as a metaphorical image of Christ at the end of The Voyage of the Dawn Treader, and the fact (not lost on the secularist left's critic whose piece this thread discusses) that the Calormenes are thinly disguised Muslims, who, in concert with Narnian secularists put up the Narnian Antichrist.


70 posted on 12/06/2005 9:44:00 AM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: The_Reader_David

................and,......Tash gets 'in' how?


71 posted on 12/06/2005 9:48:09 AM PST by maestro
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To: Valin

Does it surprise anyone that the closer we get to the release date of this film, the more anti-Christian vermin come out of their holes to gripe? Looks like we're in for another Passion of the Christ type smear campaign.


72 posted on 12/06/2005 9:50:24 AM PST by CAPTAINSUPERMARVELMAN
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To: maestro

As I recall, one of the secularized Calormenes calls for him. Why are you quibbling about the dynamics of the relationship among fictionalized analogs of the Antichrist, the Beast, the devil and their followers? No answer to your question provides a support for viewing Lewis's corpus as gnostic.


73 posted on 12/06/2005 9:53:11 AM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: Valin
It seems deeply unfair that Edmund, Susan's younger brother, who has betrayed the others to the Witch, is allowed to repent and remain King Edmund, while Susan, whose faults are much less serious, is not given the opportunity.

This has to be intentional ignorance an the authors part, ingoring the difference between rejection of faith, and redemption after repentance.

I am amazed by Lewis's ability to relating a complex concept (that even adult comlumnists can't grasp) in amazingly simple ways. This is a great example; in one paragraph he conveyed the tragedy of lossed faith, and of becoming absorbed by the world.

74 posted on 12/06/2005 9:56:37 AM PST by Dead Dog
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To: Chi-townChief
Please do yourself a favor and read it again.

It is tremendous, though not the science fiction page turner that the first two were.

75 posted on 12/06/2005 9:58:45 AM PST by chronic_loser (Handle provided free of charge as flame bait for the neurally vacant.)
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To: The_Reader_David
?NARNIA IS THEOLOGICAL ECUMINICAL PLURALISM?

Posted by maestro to Ramius; All On News/Activism ^ 12/06/2005 8:43:18 AM PST · 42 of 72 ^

...Lewis'.....'Narnia'....is the GNOSTIC 'good-evil' kingdoms (light/darkness) nonsense,...with 'OBL-as the Lion'....

This anti-real-Jesus-LAMB.....gnostic nonsense to deceive millions....

It is NOT christian,....but it is REALLY.....Pro-Islamic!

Jesus is coming to RAPTURE the Church,.....NOT the kingdom!!!!

...........Revelation 6:16........the LAMB.......Revelation 6:16.....the LAMB......Revelation 6:16.....

Biblical contextual TRUTH!

'Narnia' is anti-CHRISTIAN-TRINITY....and is poly-religious-myth-theological-'PLURALISM'.....tash read TRASH!

St. John 1:29.....St.John 3:36......wrath?......Revelation 6:16.....WRATH of The LAMB-God!

Romans 10:17......St. John 3:16.......Sent.....Romans 5:1.....LAMB-PEACE or LAMB-WRATH!

Romans 10:17

/OFF all GNOSTIC false kingdoms.....'Tash' gets 'in' how?

76 posted on 12/06/2005 10:00:28 AM PST by maestro
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To: Valin
Lewis has also been charged with racism as a result of his portrait of the Calormenes in The Horse and His Boy. Calormene, a desert country far to the south of Narnia, strongly suggests the Near East: its people are dark-skinned, wear turbans and carry scimitars. Their diet is heavy on oil, rice, onions and garlic.

Sounds like Dead Ringers for Islamofascists.

77 posted on 12/06/2005 10:01:49 AM PST by PJ-Comix (Join the DUmmie FUnnies PING List for the FUNNIEST Blog on the Web)
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To: Dead Dog
It seems deeply unfair that Edmund, Susan's younger brother, who has betrayed the others to the Witch, is allowed to repent and remain King Edmund, while Susan, whose faults are much less serious, is not given the opportunity.

28"The older brother became angry and refused to go in. So his father went out and pleaded with him. 29But he answered his father, 'Look! All these years I've been slaving for you and never disobeyed your orders. Yet you never gave me even a young goat so I could celebrate with my friends. 30But when this son of yours who has squandered your property with prostitutes comes home, you kill the fattened calf for him!'

31" 'My son,' the father said, 'you are always with me, and everything I have is yours. 32But we had to celebrate and be glad, because this brother of yours was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found.' "

Words escape me...

78 posted on 12/06/2005 10:02:38 AM PST by Warren_Piece (Three-toed sloth)
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To: maestro

TO ALL:

This guy is an anti trinitarian heretic. Is that you, Steve?


79 posted on 12/06/2005 10:02:43 AM PST by chronic_loser (Handle provided free of charge as flame bait for the neurally vacant.)
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To: maestro

WOW! You're really on an anti-Narnia kick judging from your many posts on this topic. Um...do you ever consider maybe seeing the movie FIRST before slamming it?


80 posted on 12/06/2005 10:06:31 AM PST by PJ-Comix (Join the DUmmie FUnnies PING List for the FUNNIEST Blog on the Web)
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