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Dinosaur poop shows grass is older than it seems
seattlepi.com ^ | Friday, November 18, 2005 | By LAURAN NEERGAARD

Posted on 12/06/2005 9:03:21 AM PST by flevit

It's a big surprise for scientists, who had never really looked for evidence of grass in dinosaur diets before. After all, grass fossils aside, those sauropods -- the behemoths with the long necks and tails and small heads -- didn't have the special kind of teeth needed to grind up abrasive blades.

"Most people would not have fathomed that they would eat grasses," noted lead researcher Caroline Stromberg of the Swedish Museum of Natural History.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: coprolite; coprolites; crevolist; dinosaur; dinosaurs; godsgravesglyphs; india; paleontology

1 posted on 12/06/2005 9:03:22 AM PST by flevit
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To: DaveLoneRanger

ping?


2 posted on 12/06/2005 9:05:52 AM PST by flevit
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To: flevit

A vegan diet, and yet-- they're still dead.


3 posted on 12/06/2005 9:06:49 AM PST by atomicpossum (Replies should be as pedantic as possible. I love that so much.)
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To: NYTexan; Bahbah; tiredoflaundry; defconw; FOXFANVOX

The truth is stranger than fiction ping


4 posted on 12/06/2005 9:07:39 AM PST by saveliberty (The feed? Senator Ted thought it was part of the Big Dig. It's in the Esther Williams Tunnel now)
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To: flevit

Something stinks in this story.


5 posted on 12/06/2005 9:07:46 AM PST by YouPosting2Me
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To: saveliberty; sauropod

Somebody needs to ping sauropod to this story.


6 posted on 12/06/2005 9:16:41 AM PST by Bahbah (Free Scooter; Tony Schaffer for the US Senate)
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To: flevit

So grass is literally older than dinosaur sh!t?


7 posted on 12/06/2005 9:16:42 AM PST by Pessimist
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To: flevit
the scientific term is coprolites

Well, they might have a scientific term for it, but I bet that when they're in their secret meetings behind closed doors when they think no one can hear them, they call it poop.

8 posted on 12/06/2005 9:22:15 AM PST by layman (Card Carrying Infidel)
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To: flevit

Dragon breath...that's what happens when you smoke grass~!! NOW I understand those dragon pictures!!!


9 posted on 12/06/2005 9:24:39 AM PST by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: flevit
Scientists like to make conjectures based on minimal fossil finds. We recently had a thread on dinosaur footprints. From the footprints, scientists knew the diet of the beast, the height of the beast, and the a few other things.

Sometimes that strikes me as over-reaching. The piece that seems most straight-forward is diet. Based on tooth shape, we should know something about what they ate. Then this comes along. Teeth indicate that they would not eat grass, but scat says they did.

Scientists know less than they think.

10 posted on 12/06/2005 9:24:59 AM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: flevit

Whew!! What a relief. I have sweating out the age of grass for . . . . well, actually, this isn't a topic that is very high on my list of important things.

In fact, it doesn't even register.


11 posted on 12/06/2005 9:28:25 AM PST by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: flevit
Stromberg and paleobotanists from India analyzed sauropod dung and found grasses...

Corn does the same thing to me.

12 posted on 12/06/2005 9:29:33 AM PST by CommandoFrank (Peer into the depths of hell and there you will find the face of Islam...)
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To: ClearCase_guy
Sometimes that strikes me as over-reaching. The piece that seems most straight-forward is diet. Based on tooth shape, we should know something about what they ate. Then this comes along. Teeth indicate that they would not eat grass, but scat says they did.

Cats and dogs, both obligate carnivores, sometimes eat grass, for whatever reason.

Cats eat housplants to be mean.

We grew catnip, they ignored it and ate everything else.

13 posted on 12/06/2005 9:30:29 AM PST by Gorzaloon
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To: atomicpossum

I remember reading in Scientic American back when it was still interesting to read that the comparative ratio of carnivores to herbivores among dinosaurs indicated that they were probably cold blooded. Warm blooded predators need a larger mass of vegans per pound of meat eater.


14 posted on 12/06/2005 9:30:40 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (NY Times headline: Protocols of the Learned Elders of CBS, Fake but Accurate, Experts Say)
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To: ClearCase_guy
Sometimes that strikes me as over-reaching. The piece that seems most straight-forward is diet. Based on tooth shape, we should know something about what they ate. Then this comes along. Teeth indicate that they would not eat grass, but scat says they did.

Cats and dogs, both obligate carnivores, sometimes eat grass, for whatever reason.

Cats eat housplants to be mean.

We grew catnip, they ignored it and ate everything else.

15 posted on 12/06/2005 9:30:55 AM PST by Gorzaloon
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To: ClearCase_guy
Teeth indicate that they would not eat grass, but scat says they did.

I've got plenty of stones that came out of dino stomachs that were used to grind food. Like birds, they had rocks do some of the digesetive work.

These stones look like they were tumbled round and polished. They are very easy to find in Utah.

16 posted on 12/06/2005 9:33:22 AM PST by CommandoFrank (Peer into the depths of hell and there you will find the face of Islam...)
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To: ClearCase_guy
Scientists like to make conjectures based on minimal fossil finds. We recently had a thread on dinosaur footprints. From the footprints, scientists knew the diet of the beast, the height of the beast, and the a few other things.

Sounds like the crime lab tech on Hawaii Five-O. That guy could reconstruct the whole crime from a grain of sand.

17 posted on 12/06/2005 9:34:00 AM PST by Lawgvr1955 (You can never have too much cowbell !!)
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To: ClearCase_guy
Scientists know less than they think.

Don't tell them that! Scientists (and doctors) pretend to be impartial, but most are very defensive of their postulations and fall in love with their favorite theories. But they'll be the first to criticize religion for those very things.

18 posted on 12/06/2005 9:40:13 AM PST by TX Bluebonnet
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To: flevit
didn't have the special kind of teeth needed to grind up abrasive blades.

Why do dogs eat grass?
19 posted on 12/06/2005 9:58:56 AM PST by Dallas59 (“You love life, while we love death"( Al-Qaeda & Democratic Party)
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To: flevit

Were there bells in the poop, and did it smell like pepper spray?


20 posted on 12/06/2005 9:59:40 AM PST by MonroeDNA (Look for the union label--on the bat crashing through your windshield!)
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To: CommandoFrank

Maybe they should check to see if sauropods had GIZZARDS!


21 posted on 12/06/2005 10:18:41 AM PST by Minnesoootan
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To: flevit
Let see, scientists dated dinosaur fossils and scientists dated grass fossils and decided that two never meet ...but now they find grass in fossils dinosaur crap....so is it now legitimate to question scientists fossils dating and there theory's develop?

The red flag... fossils dating did not discover it's own error (and would still return the same incorrect dates)it was the "grass in the crap" that seems to shown it in error...so then it seems there are some errors in how fossils are dated and needs to be fixed and adjusted along with scientists theory's develop on these old assumptions or at least shouldn't we be open to there assumptions being question?

22 posted on 12/06/2005 10:24:49 AM PST by tophat9000 (lose 3000 in an hour and you want to fight, lose 2000 in 2 years and you want to run !???)
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To: flevit

Yeah, I think it is. This story made the circuit a few days ago, but I like the perspective this story puts it in. I don't think I pinged the other ones.


23 posted on 12/06/2005 10:28:07 AM PST by DaveLoneRanger ("As He died to make men holy, let us die to make men free, while God is marching on.")
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To: flevit

did they purchase it by the ounce or kilo?


24 posted on 12/06/2005 10:32:32 AM PST by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: flevit; gobucks; mikeus_maximus; MeanWestTexan; JudyB1938; isaiah55version11_0; bondserv; ...
(((Creationist Ping)))



You have been pinged because of your interest regarding matters of Creation vs. Evolution - from the Creationist perspective. Freep-mail me if you want on/off this list.

Colossians 1:16 "For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him."



Isn't it interesting that the age of grass increases in their minds, and not the age of dinosaurs?

And observe closely: It's a big surprise for scientists, who had never really looked for evidence of grass in dinosaur diets before.

They didn't look for this, because they had made their own predictions, formed their own opinions, and the idea of dinosaurs eating grass didn't fit with what they thought. How OBJECTIVE is that?

"These remarkable results will force reconsideration of many long-standing assumptions" about dinosaur ecology, wrote Dolores Piperno and Hans-Dieter Sues of the Smithsonian Institution's National Museum of Natural History in an accompanying review.

More reconsideration of long-standing assumptions.

Proof once again, evolutionists! What you teach today will be debunked tomorrow. God's Word remains true.
25 posted on 12/06/2005 10:32:41 AM PST by DaveLoneRanger ("As He died to make men holy, let us die to make men free, while God is marching on.")
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To: Bahbah

We eat the grass for the roughage.


26 posted on 12/06/2005 10:44:07 AM PST by sauropod ("The love that dare not speak its' name has now become the love that won't shut the hell up.")
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To: flevit
The real question is: if grass was common enough to show up in these randomly selected pieces of dinosaur poop, where are the grass fossils in the same strata?

The fact is, however, that the researchers didn't really see grass; they saw microscopic particles of silica called phytoliths, which form inside plant cells in distinctive patterns that essentially act as a signature.

It's possible that they're wrong about the signatures.

27 posted on 12/06/2005 10:52:43 AM PST by r9etb
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To: ClearCase_guy

If the animal the dinosaur ate, just ate grass...
then wouldn't the poop have grass in it?


28 posted on 12/06/2005 11:04:17 AM PST by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Or maybe they ate something that just ate grass!


29 posted on 12/06/2005 11:52:27 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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To: atomicpossum

Still laughing, but hopefully not pedantically.


30 posted on 12/06/2005 12:11:34 PM PST by GOPPachyderm
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To: Minnesoootan
Maybe they should check to see if sauropods had GIZZARDS!

The technical name for these stones is Gastrolith (sp?) and the prodominate dino in this area of Utah was the Alosaurus Rex, grand-daddy to T-Rex.

31 posted on 12/06/2005 1:18:16 PM PST by CommandoFrank (Peer into the depths of hell and there you will find the face of Islam...)
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To: sauropod
"We eat the grass for the roughage."

I guess you 'pods have no use for vitamin C? :o)

32 posted on 12/06/2005 3:05:39 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Atheist and Fool are synonyms; Evolution is where fools hide from the sunrise)
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To: Gorzaloon
Cats eat housplants to be mean.
And then they reguritate them to underscore it all. To make SURE that you know what they did.
33 posted on 12/06/2005 6:15:15 PM PST by Beaker
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Dino poop. LOL!

I can think of better ways to earn a living; and the point of all this is...? What redeeming value is ther in knowing how long grass has been on the planet? Sheesh. I'm more worried about paying my bills and making sure my kids don't grow up to be serial killers or pimps or drug dealers or something lovely like that. I think this falls into the "way too much time on their hands" category.


34 posted on 12/06/2005 8:09:48 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thanks flevit.

Note: this topic is from 12/06/2005.

Blast from the Past.

Just adding to the catalog, not sending a general distribution.

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


35 posted on 11/05/2011 8:55:18 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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