Skip to comments.The truth about tipping
Posted on 12/06/2005 12:33:26 PM PST by George14
It has recently been publicized that a 20 percent tip is now appropriate because servers are usually only guaranteed $2.13 an hour and the tips have to be split. Let me explain something. It is the customer's sole right to determine whether a tip is given, the amount and who will be the recipient of his tip. Such rights are not only guaranteed by our constitution they are clearly explained in the Code of Federal Regulations. Customers may tip any amount they choose. Instead of a higher tip being appropriate, what is now actually appropriate is for the public to start questioning why they are being expected to tip more.
While it has been widely publicized that tip splitting and lowered wages are both creating a need for higher tip percentages, what is not being publicized is an explanation of what these business practices actually are and why they create a need for the public to tip more. You see in both cases, such practices equate to employers being allowed to take part the tips away from the employee to whom the customer has presented a tip. You see, tip splitting is the business practice whereby employers take part of the tipped employee's tips and give them to workers whom the customer had every right and ability to tip but didn't. The $2.13 an hour business practice which has been publicized is actually called a tip credit. The tip credit also allows businesses to take or credit part of their employee's tips for themselves. In both cases the public's tips are being taken by businesses owners. The problem is not that customers should be tipping more the problem is that business owners should not be utilizing their employee's tips for the business's interests.
The truth is, business owners are using the customer's tips which undeniably and indisputably are not intended for the business owner for the business's own interests. Such business practices are being allowed by our government even though such business practices are an illegal dominion over the customer's property. To put it simply, businesses are being allowed to steal the money customers present as tips. Now, the public is being expected to tip more because the workers are not receiving the financial benefits of the tips they have been presented.
What is needed is not a higher tip percentage but some educating of the public of what is actually happening to their tip. Businesses have lobbied our federal government and I believe have probably even paid off many of our judges so they can steal the financial benefits of the tips our public is tipping workers in the service industry. The stories you read on how the public is being expected to tip more are actually stories about how our country is allowing businesses owners an ability to blatantly steal from their workers. If the real issue was resolved there would be no issue.
Employers should be prohibited from using their employee's tips to establish a lower minimum wage for their tipped workers. Customers are not tipping so the business can lower it's payroll expenses and thus benefit itself to the customer's tip. Customers are not tipping so the business owner can decide who should share in their tip. Both these business practices are fraud on the public for they are clearly the misappropriations of the public's property. Because our public has sat back and done nothing as business owners misappropriate the public's tips to their own interests, there now exists an undue pressure on the public to tip more to make up for such criminal acts.
The reason I believe our public has sat back and done nothing as business owners reap the financial benefits of the tips presented to their workers is because the media has also been paid off to avoid informing the public of what is actually happening to their tip when the courts ignore the constitutional rights of the customer and when our federal government so blatantly misappropriates the public's tips. The courts have ruled that employers may share the customer's tip among employees whom the customer had every right to tip but didn't. The federal government has allowed businesses to benefit themselves to the customer's tip through the tip credit without the consent of the customer. Such acts by our federal government and courts are not only unconstitutional but criminal. The media is covering up such crimes by intentionally avoiding the issue and keeping the truth from the public.
The tipped employees of this nation need some help from the public on these issues. The truth of what is happening to the customer's tip is being withheld from the public so that employers can continue to steal our tips while the public is left to foot the bill.
And the Socialist Red Herring Award Goes to...(drumroll)...
Employers should not be permitted to steal tip money from their employees!
I think's it's elitist and unAmerican.
Not all businesses do this. The people I know who were subjected to this usually had a creep for a boss. Sorry, 20% is all I can afford.
My policy when tipping is usually in the 15% to 20% which is fairly standard. However, when I use my credit card most times I tip with cash ... no tip amount on the credit card slip.
The answer is to abolish most of the IRS and regulations that choose favorites like they always do.
I got no problem with this - as long as the IRS gets a free yearly audit of all people who make most of their money from tips...
Whiel I can't speak for the rest of Europe, tipping isn't customary in Germany.
Of course they know where it is and count on Americans to tip them.
$10 per dance, but only if she's fully naked.
It is totally capitalistic and very American. If someone's service is worse than adequate, they will get less for their services.
Unfortunately, there are people out there that are cheap and will never tip, and then complain or file a lawsuit when they get horrible service.
I was just there.
It is customary now, even among non Americans.
As for tips themselves, the good waiters prefer the current non-pooling system because they make far more than they would with a minimum wage.
But restaurants that pool tips and give a cut to the salaried manager are evil, and there needs to be a law passed prohibiting that.
Also, FYI, if you don't tip at least 12.5%, you are seriously screwing the waiter, because the IRS taxes him/her based on them receiving a 12.5% tip per meal. Therefore, if you skip out on the tip, the waiter not only loses out on needed income, but is paying tax on it.
For those who despise all tipping...go to a restaurant in Europe sometime. You'll quickly see the genius of our system.
So are you saying that employers are allowed to takes tips from the server? I was a waiter through college (10 years ago) and my employer never even saw the tips I made. it was my choice how much I would tip the bus boy, hostess, etc.
I usually just give my waiter or waitress their tip in cash. If they choose to share it's their business.
Oh please can we do a little more self promotion.
I work in the casino business and we split tips only with those who provide direct services to the dealers. Who the hell do you think make the tipped DEALERS work possible.
The people who clean the cards, sort them, bring the customers in etc. Casinos for example keep no portion of the dealers tips they strictly distribute the tip contributions made by the dealers.
Cool, thanks for the update. It's going on 10 years for me since I last went.
Cow Tipping is for wimps... try Bull Tipping.
Where does this happen? My bartender gets his tip, my waitress gets her tip, my barber get his and I've never seen any one them put the money in the owner's till,pocket or whatever. On a credit card, maybe that's different. I don't see what the b!tch is here.
I don't tip because society says I gotta. I tip when somebody deserves a tip. When somebody really puts forth an effort, they deserve a little something extra. But this tipping automatically, that sh!t's for the birds. As far as I'm concerned, they're just doin their job.
You have obviously never been outside the USA. Tipping is almost exclusively done here.
I agree. I was in NYC and needed to get to the airport quickly. I told the cabbie how much of a tip (flat amount) he would get if he would get me to the airport by X time. He did and he got his tip.
PS No hazardous driving was involved or required, but he really took the fastest way. Shortest trip to Laguardia I ever had.
And by the way.....I've been tipping 30% for good service for years now.
Just back from Germany and 10% tipping is the norm.
It is a different Europe now.
But what about the Trilateral Commision and the Bildebergers? And something this big couldn't happen without the Pope being involved. < /sarcasm, as if you couldn't tell>
Tip the horse. If you don't, you'll be sorry next time.
:-) You're welcome. You also have to tell the waiter before he takes your credit card that you would like the bill to include a tip. Otherwise you would have to leave a cash tip.
Tipping is elitist and un-American? So we can cheat, steal, murder, sell state secrets, etc., so long as we don't tip our favorite waiter. OK. Sounds reasonable.
Me, too. A tip under the table is my own personal rebellion against the IRS.
"Tipping seems so European."
Not sure what you mean. In Germany, for instance, you round out your bill to the next Mark (euro). It might be mere pennies. "Stimtt so!"
10% as of November 2005. I just came back
Tip share is bogus. It only serves to allow employers to pay busboys and cooks less money. Those folks are not on the 2'13 per hour scale and the tips I have always left were for the WAITRESS/WAITER for their service. I have stopped tipping alltogether due to tipshare.
If I think my booth is very clean and I want to tip the busboy I will. If I want to tip the cooks I will. To me, those services are part the bill I pay for the meal. A curteous waitress that never lets my drink glass go empty is worth a tip. But she aint going to get one from me when I know that her employer is going to take that tip and split it up with other folks that did not intend to tip at all.
Tip share is a form of socialism in that a work group will all get equal share of tips made, so then while a waitress busts her a$$ and the busboy slacks off(or the other way around) the each get the same cut. Pi$$ on that noise.
That's it, I'm takin' my dollar back.
But what's True Blue really about?
Love the site, I see Pierce Brosnan has made a couple of apperances. Bill=630.00 Tip=8.00, what a cheap limey Ahole.
Not sure what you mean. In Germany, for instance, you round out your bill to the next Mark (euro). It might be mere pennies. "Stimtt so!"
That's "stimmt so," and I'll admit, sometime ago. 10% now? The times, they are a' changing.
Tip splitting or sharing can work well if done properly at the right establishment. First, since a cook's work is partly responsible for the enjoyment of a meal the practice of a waitperson tipping out the kitchen staff makes sense to me, and it's usually just a small percentage (they make a higher base wage generally).
My local hangout is a small place with normally one cook and maximum two wait staff/bartenders in the evening. A couple of months ago the staff turned over fairly rapidly and the owner saw an opportunity. All servers at the bar or on the floor can and do serve everyone and tips are divided evenly. It's a small place and if two staff are on but everyone (us regulars) are all gathered around the bar one server got burned while the other cleaned up. The owner went out of her way to hire staff that get along really well and anyone who isn't a team player doesn't make it past the probation period. Service has gone to great levels and on average everyone is earning more at the end of the night consistantly.
Think...can you imagine a large establishment where customers at the end of the lunch period are all queing up to tip the bartender, the waitperson, the cook, etc? It would be chaos.
It's probably more effective to leave a miniscule tip on the card slip (i.e. on record) and the real tip in cash.
What the heck does that really mean anyway?
I became disappointed to learn that the tips for dealers at casinos were all pooled and split up among all the dealers. That's too bad, because a tip in those cases are definately rewards for good play, sometimes for the luck of winning, but usually for the fun the dealer added to the game.
I didn't realize waitstaff were also pooling tips at some restaurants... I wonder how widespread that is. I have a feeling the neighborhood bar I go to, this is not the case. They certainly make a point to close out all open tabs before they go off shift, so a new tab is started under the new waitress. I'm a very good tipper at my regular hangouts where they know my name.
Tip pooling is despicable
Your right, it unjustly lets employees who don't work as hard or properly do their jobs, benefit on an equal basis.
I usually tip a little less in these cases.
It is a different place now.
BTW, great handle. Was in KW for Thanksgiving, and had breakfast at Pepe's (on Caroline Street). Always reminds me of that song.
This is an artificial construct. You consider a table cleaned, and cleaned in a swift manner so you don't have to wait to be "part of the bill," yet you don't consider bringing the food to the table and keeping your whistle wet "part of the bill"? Is there some rational reason for that?
If busboys, hostesses and waitresses, along with cooks, all together make your experience a good one, why does it bother you if they all share in your gratuity? How can you logically single out the waitress?
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