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The truth about tipping
December 6, 2005 | George

Posted on 12/06/2005 12:33:26 PM PST by George14

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To: mitchbert

I was in Nuremberg and they were very nice.


101 posted on 12/06/2005 1:25:13 PM PST by saveliberty (The feed? Senator Ted thought it was part of the Big Dig. It's in the Esther Williams Tunnel now)
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To: George14
Six words:   The more we tip, the less they pay.
102 posted on 12/06/2005 1:25:49 PM PST by Lady Jag (Honor - Dignity - Courage - Troll Consumption)
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To: George14

One of the most generous tippers (percentage-wise) I ever knew was a former waitress.


103 posted on 12/06/2005 1:26:06 PM PST by wideminded
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To: SoothingDave

Spot on, SoothingDave!


104 posted on 12/06/2005 1:26:22 PM PST by saveliberty (The feed? Senator Ted thought it was part of the Big Dig. It's in the Esther Williams Tunnel now)
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To: saveliberty

Your welcome. 50% of the time was pretty enjoyable. 40% was sheer boredom. 10% was a bit of an adrenaline rush.


105 posted on 12/06/2005 1:26:37 PM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: George14

All your tips are belong to us.


106 posted on 12/06/2005 1:26:44 PM PST by Labyrinthos
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To: SoothingDave

No, the question is, why doesn't the restaurant business have to pay their employees? Every other industry it is part of the cost of business, no?


107 posted on 12/06/2005 1:26:46 PM PST by mosquitobite (As the Iraqis stand up, we will stand down.)
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To: HEY4QDEMS
"Love the site, I see Pierce Brosnan has made a couple of apperances. "

Look what happens when you search for Kerry.

108 posted on 12/06/2005 1:27:15 PM PST by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: R. Scott

:-)


109 posted on 12/06/2005 1:27:43 PM PST by saveliberty (The feed? Senator Ted thought it was part of the Big Dig. It's in the Esther Williams Tunnel now)
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To: Labyrinthos

LOL! That reminds me of the hysterical liberal magic 8 ball. You would ask it a question (out loud) and then click to shake the 8 ball. The best answer was "Question not compassionate. Hand over paycheck!"

LOL


110 posted on 12/06/2005 1:28:52 PM PST by saveliberty (The feed? Senator Ted thought it was part of the Big Dig. It's in the Esther Williams Tunnel now)
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To: Liberate California
"In California, The waiters and waitresses still get minimum wage. Don't overtip them."

I can't help it, I get drunk and over tip.

111 posted on 12/06/2005 1:28:57 PM PST by Feiny (Every Time Someone Says HAPPY HOLIDAYS an Elf Dies.)
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To: R. Scott

:-)


112 posted on 12/06/2005 1:29:09 PM PST by saveliberty (The feed? Senator Ted thought it was part of the Big Dig. It's in the Esther Williams Tunnel now)
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To: wideminded
One of the most generous tippers (percentage-wise) I ever knew was a former waitress.

That's generally the case. I waited tables years ago, and therefore I've always tipped generously, I know what they go through.

113 posted on 12/06/2005 1:29:24 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: George14

If a waitron gives me good service, I have no problem tipping 20%.

Less if so-so service.


114 posted on 12/06/2005 1:30:47 PM PST by sauropod ("The love that dare not speak its' name has now become the love that won't shut the hell up.")
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To: billorites
Look what happens when you search for Kerry.

LOL, how appropriate he dined at "The Waffle House."

115 posted on 12/06/2005 1:30:51 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: wideminded

It should be a requirement in life to work in the service industry at least once in one's life.


116 posted on 12/06/2005 1:30:55 PM PST by mosquitobite (As the Iraqis stand up, we will stand down.)
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To: SoothingDave; BlueStateDepression
If busboys, hostesses and waitresses, along with cooks, all together make your experience a good one, why does it bother you if they all share in your gratuity?

I think you *missed* the point about this 'tip share' SCAM.

'Tip Share' scam only benefits the employers, because they now only have to PAY these busboys, hostesses, etc the same 2 bucks per hr. as they pay the waitresses.....because they all now 'share tips'.

Cost to employer only 6 bucks p.h for these 3 employees......without 'tip share' the BB's & hostesses would be paid at least mim. wage p.h. & only the waitress 2 bucks p.h.

I figured this scam out when my daughter waited tables & was told she had to 'share' her tips with all employees & then found these same employees were paid the same 2 bucks p.h. as she was. (because they too now received *tips*).

117 posted on 12/06/2005 1:31:08 PM PST by txdoda (Voters to Gov't .......Re: post 9-11 Border Security....... ""The results are Unacceptable."")
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To: George14
Did you write this?

Have you ever owned a business with tipped employees?

118 posted on 12/06/2005 1:32:12 PM PST by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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To: dfwgator

LOL! He also ordered a Philadelphia cheese steak with swiss cheese.


119 posted on 12/06/2005 1:32:21 PM PST by saveliberty (The feed? Senator Ted thought it was part of the Big Dig. It's in the Esther Williams Tunnel now)
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To: dfwgator

A freind of mine worked as a pizza delivery guy to help pay his way through college. Because of all the crap he endured, I pay a good tip to delivery drivers.


120 posted on 12/06/2005 1:32:29 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: mosquitobite
When a practice such as the one George14 described is in place in a restaurant (socialism) what is the incentive to work hard?

I suppose you're right, but I have to tell you that the service in my area has gotten so bad that we simply don't eat out very often.

A good waitstaff can make a meal with mediocre food a pleasant experience, and bad waitstaff can ruin a delicious meal. Maybe our local problem is that so many of the staff are high school students or recent grads. Probably still living with the folks, and not too worried about paying bills.

My experience has been that mature staff, the ones who count on tip income to pay the rent, bust their tails to make a meal enjoyable. Those people always get excellent tips from me.

It's the ones who don't care to acknowledge your existence that start off on a bad foot. If they're busy, I can understand that. How 'bout dropping by the table and saying, "We are so busy tonight and a little shorthanded, but I'm glad you're here. I promise to come by as quick as I can." So much better than someone pretending not to see you while you're trying to catch their eye.

121 posted on 12/06/2005 1:33:16 PM PST by TontoKowalski
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To: mosquitobite; Coffee_drinker
Wow! That is crazy. It's changed a lot since I was a waiter.
122 posted on 12/06/2005 1:33:55 PM PST by loreldan (Lincoln, Reagan, & G. W. Bush - the cure for Democrat lunacy.)
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To: Liberate California
In California, The waiters and waitresses still get minimum wage. Don't overtip them.

Washington State has the highest minimum wage in the country (currently $7.35, going to $7.63 in January; it goes up every year) and employers are forbidden to pay less than that, even if the employee makes $20-30/hour additional in tips.

123 posted on 12/06/2005 1:34:15 PM PST by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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To: George14
Like Vinnie Antonlini I believe in over-tipping. When service is really bad I don't go back and I don't tip. If service is mediocre I moderately tip 10%-15%.

If service is good I tip like crazy, 30%, 40%, 50% and up and I'm definitely not rich. Especially if it's a place I frequent.

I leave big tips all the time.

124 posted on 12/06/2005 1:34:45 PM PST by avg_freeper (Gunga galunga. Gunga, gunga galunga)
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To: wideminded

I knew one guy who immediately after being seated would put 20 one dollar bills on the table, and pointed out to the waitress that was her tip, but if she screwed up, one by one he would remove dollars from the table for each screw up. When being served a drink, he would tell her, "I don't want to see the bottom of this glass."


125 posted on 12/06/2005 1:35:13 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: mosquitobite
It is socialist to the core.

Ahh I see what you are saying now, thanks. Now the question would be are these bus boys getting taxed on a certain percentage of the house take.? if so then you have to have a system to offset this. So requiring the wait staff to share would be reasonable. My wife is a waitress and when she is very thankfull to her bussers then she'll tip them more than is requred, and this too helps her in the long run.

126 posted on 12/06/2005 1:35:33 PM PST by Coffee_drinker (Since Bush became president, the taliban are gone, saddam is gone, Khadaffi is neutered, arafat died)
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To: HEY4QDEMS
I think there are actually two different types of liberals in the world today: those who are @ssholes and those who are genuinely decent people despite their misguided political views.

I've heard from a number of people that Ron Kuby -- the radical Marxist lawyer who does a morning radio show with Curtis Sliwa on WABC in New York -- is regarded by many of the station employees at the station as the most decent human being they've ever met.

And this sounds even more bizarre, but it comes from a very reliable (Republican) source -- who swears that outside the public eye the most generous, compassionate person in Washington D.C. is none other than New York Senator Chuck Schumer.

Go figure, eh?

127 posted on 12/06/2005 1:35:55 PM PST by Alberta's Child (What it all boils down to is that no one's really got it figured out just yet.)
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To: saveliberty

I can just imagine the bar tabs Terayza must have run up.


128 posted on 12/06/2005 1:36:01 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: George14
I always tip 20% unless I'm aware the copmpany has a union
and in that case I don't tip at all. If I can leave cash I will but
I have added 20% to the CC slip many times. If the employees
are being ripped off by their company (or a union) they need
to change jobs.
129 posted on 12/06/2005 1:36:45 PM PST by higgmeister (In the shadow of the Big Chicken)
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To: George14

I think it's ridiculous that the employers are lowering the wages to steal part of the tip. I think it's scummy business practices. But I don't want the government doing anything about it. If people refused to eat at places that did that and servers refused to work for them, the practice would end really fast.


130 posted on 12/06/2005 1:37:24 PM PST by mysterio
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To: dfwgator

LOL! She still refers to John Heinz as her husband. And that works because in a way, he is paying for it.


131 posted on 12/06/2005 1:37:35 PM PST by saveliberty (The feed? Senator Ted thought it was part of the Big Dig. It's in the Esther Williams Tunnel now)
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To: George14
It has recently been publicized that a 20 percent tip is now appropriate

If you want to do the waitress a favor use cash for any tip over 15%.

132 posted on 12/06/2005 1:37:51 PM PST by MosesKnows
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To: nightdriver
Dole was just a facilitator for the democRATs in a lot of issues.

OldBobDole sucks. Always has, always will. He's horrid, but was the canary in the coal mine when he was nominated for that laughable, absurd campaign of his. That told me all I ever needed to know about the Republican Party of Big Stupid Government.

After OldBobDole, I can't imagine why anyone's surprised to see what Republicans actually do once they seize the reins of power. I had their number in '91 with "read my lips".

133 posted on 12/06/2005 1:38:16 PM PST by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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To: HairOfTheDog
didn't realize waitstaff were also pooling tips at some restaurants... I wonder how widespread that is. I have a feeling the neighborhood bar I go to, this is not the case. They certainly make a point to close out all open tabs before they go off shift, so a new tab is started under the new waitress. I'm a very good tipper at my regular hangouts where they know my name.

The practice is not that widespread at locally owned bars and restaurants, but is quite common at the chain places. At my two favorite locally owned pubs, all the bartenders and waitstaff "eat what they kill," although at one place, there are two bartenders per shift and they pool the tips for that particular shift only. From what I've been told, chains places like Outback, TGIF, Applebee's etc. pool the tips, which might explain why the service is mediocre on the best of days.

134 posted on 12/06/2005 1:38:39 PM PST by Labyrinthos
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To: dollar_dog
Tip pooling is despicable.

Actually I have seen it work quite well. The hot barmaid walks around keeping everybody's spirits up and the homely barmaid is busy serving drinks and picking up empties.

The hot barmaid gets all the tips but doesn't do any work. The homely barmaid does all the work but doesn't get any tips. They need each other to perform well to maximize their tips, so they split the take at the end of the night.

135 posted on 12/06/2005 1:39:07 PM PST by oldbrowser (The U.S. Senate is a quagmire.)
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To: Alberta's Child

Don't start with the "eh's", I used to live in Cape Breton. (yes, one of the creeps and bums from the east)


136 posted on 12/06/2005 1:39:07 PM PST by HEY4QDEMS (Iraqis thank our troops more often than Democrats.)
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To: George14

137 posted on 12/06/2005 1:40:39 PM PST by ChadGore (VISUALIZE 62,041,268 Bush fans.)
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To: ClearCase_guy
Tipping seems so European.
tips are not the norm in Spain
138 posted on 12/06/2005 1:41:23 PM PST by freedom moose (has de cultivar el que sembres)
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To: freedom moose
Q. What's the difference between a European and a barge?

A. It's easier to make a barge tip.
139 posted on 12/06/2005 1:43:14 PM PST by HEY4QDEMS (Iraqis thank our troops more often than Democrats.)
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To: HEY4QDEMS

LOL. You know Colin White of the NJ Devils?


140 posted on 12/06/2005 1:43:22 PM PST by Alberta's Child (What it all boils down to is that no one's really got it figured out just yet.)
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To: George14

Okay, I have a question.

My daughter works at Subway, where they have a tip jar on the counter. It never occured to me to tip the guy making my sandwich until she mentioned how much she made in tips one night. Frankly I think it's silly.

But anyway, I told her that she needs to keep track of her tips because they are considered to be taxable income. She told me I was full of it. She asked her fellow employees (who are under 18 and probably don't know didly about the IRS) and they told her the tips weren't taxable income.

Who's right?


141 posted on 12/06/2005 1:44:34 PM PST by SandyInSeattle (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: wideminded

Of course, that is always they case. They were part of the racket themselves!


142 posted on 12/06/2005 1:44:58 PM PST by chudogg (www.chudogg.blogspot.com)
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To: dfwgator

Sounds like a sadist.


143 posted on 12/06/2005 1:45:34 PM PST by wideminded
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To: SoothingDave
You consider a table cleaned, and cleaned in a swift manner so you don't have to wait to be "part of the bill,"

Absolutely and here is why. The health department says it HAS to be clean and they benefit it being done swiftly because they get to seat me before I get tired of waiting and go elsewhere. Artifical it is not.

As you notice many food places see you take your own food to the table and even see you fill your own cup. The meal doesn't cost you any less now does it? The booths still have to be clean Eh?

why does it bother you if they all share in your gratuity?

Where to start??? I tip who I want to tip, others do not decide who my tip goes to. BIG difference there!! Busboys and cooks and dishwashers are not paid 2.13 an hour, I know I wasn't, and I know my brother isn't today. Oh yeah you forgot that I should be extra happy that my fork and knife was clean right?

The real question here is why are cooks and busboys relying on the presentation of the waitress for their pay?

Tip share is a racket. It is a way for them to get you, the customer, to pay an even greater share of their overhead than youpay for the meal itself. Tip share will see the act of tipping fall off as people understand what happens to their tips.
144 posted on 12/06/2005 1:46:20 PM PST by BlueStateDepression
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To: Alberta's Child
I've heard from a number of people that Ron Kuby -- the radical Marxist lawyer who does a morning radio show with Curtis Sliwa on WABC in New York -- is regarded by many of the station employees at the station as the most decent human being they've ever met.

I once met Ron Kuby at a bar while waiting for a train, and after speaking with him for a half-an-hour, I left thinking that he's one of the nicest, most honest, and generous people you will ever meet despite our obvious political and philosophical differences. I listen to him and Curtis almost every morning, and next to Mark Levin, Kuby is probably the smartest and most intellectually honest person on talk radio today. (He is also pro-Second Amendment.)

145 posted on 12/06/2005 1:47:15 PM PST by Labyrinthos
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To: SandyInSeattle

Sorry but tips are considered taxable income.


146 posted on 12/06/2005 1:47:18 PM PST by Coffee_drinker (Since Bush became president, the taliban are gone, saddam is gone, Khadaffi is neutered, arafat died)
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To: Alberta's Child
No, but I used to play against Dougy Sulliman. I was from Bridgeport in Glace Bay, If I remember correctly he played for St. Anthony's (The Bay still has public schools named after saints).

Our team wasn't very good, it probably improved after I quit.
147 posted on 12/06/2005 1:48:52 PM PST by HEY4QDEMS (Iraqis thank our troops more often than Democrats.)
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To: mosquitobite

it won't hurt the business as much as pooling would. pooling allows those who are less than average make as much as everyone else, that lower class of serice will infuriate customers, and cause other employees to work to the same standards as the least productive employee- that or the good ones will quit. either way, pooling is a long term hurt, where a lousy server is only a short term hurt.


148 posted on 12/06/2005 1:49:16 PM PST by absolootezer0 ("My God, why have you forsaken us.. no wait, its the liberals that have forsaken you... my bad")
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To: SandyInSeattle

You are.


149 posted on 12/06/2005 1:49:19 PM PST by saveliberty (The feed? Senator Ted thought it was part of the Big Dig. It's in the Esther Williams Tunnel now)
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To: George14
My crass rule of thumb is: 20% if I plan to return, or if it was very good service or a very high end meal with adequate service, and 15% if not.

A recent experience at a steakhouse with old-school formality: after our group of 8 tipped the automatically included 18% gratuity, the headwaiter cam around and in various ways to each of us reminded us that the 18% ($100 tip for a 90-minute pre-theater meal that freed up the table by 7:40) did not cover his services.

I don't plan to return, and didn't cough up any more dough.
150 posted on 12/06/2005 1:50:28 PM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney)
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