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Posted on 12/06/2005 12:33:26 PM PST by George14
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LOL! Great story!
They do include the gratuity. They now look for an additional tip.
I tip 15% exclusively unless bad service prompts me to go down. I figure this is overly generous to what they deserve because almost all restaurants are staffed by college-age girls and they just have their boyfriends take them out (and spend their hard-earned cash tipping some other waitress which she wont spend when she's going out).
I tip generously when I'm out on the town, because that's part of the whole entertainment value, throwing money around likes its no object. Going to a restaurant is not entertainment, its a service. I order burger, you bring me burger, now get out of my face while i eat. I dont understand why people believe they deserve such lavish incomes for services people in other equivalent fields make mininum wage.
I had a waitress that ignored us for 30 minutes. We were about to leave and then she came by to apologize. But rather than continuing to follow up, she ignored us for another 30 minutes.
I left a tip - one penny. I wanted her to see that I did not forget. I felt it was a more effective statement than leaving nothing.
I still don't understand why there is a tip cup at Dunkin' Donuts. They walk over to the rack, put the donut in the bag, and ring it up at the register. Why does that require a tip?
Don't you round up the next Euro?
ok.. lets see if we can educate this author- at least as it applies in MI. for starters, minimum wage for servers is $2.65. servers are required to report 8% of their sales as tips.. most make more. now, as far as basing their hourly wage on what they make in tips.. its actually very nice the way they do it. if, between your hourly wage and your tips, you don't average $5.15 for the pay period, the employer is required to make it up to you.
in most cases, tip pooling is bad, but some makes sense. tipping bussers and bartenders is common practice, even required in most restaurants/ bars. the reason? the same as why you tip your server. its a gratuity to insure prompt, correct and pleasant service. because as a bartender, who do you think is gonna come first? the stupid waitress that doesn't tip me, or the paying customer at the end of the bar? similar for bussing. whose table is gonna get cleaned first? the waitress who tips the busser or the one who thinks he's lowlife scum that's beneath her?
Very fair point, and why it's harder to do (and I think not advisable) in a larger establishment. My local pub is the first place I've seen attempt it to this degree but it only works because the owner insists everyone share the workload and everyone gets along. The staff are all happy with the situation and they work more like a team. It is a well run place, mind you with very hands on owners (that don't take tip money themselves when they're working).
You think people working on a team, with cash bonuses on the line, are going to put up with one of the team members slacking off? You think a person knowing that better service puts more money in his pocket is going to do a better or worse job? These aren't union workers getting paid scale to sit on their butts. This is pure capitalism. Results are rewarded instantly.
You know Sean Connery was the only REAL James Bond anyway.
In California, The waiters and waitresses still get minimum wage. Don't overtip them.
It doesn't. But I used to go to a coffee shop and the lady knew my order. She had my coffee ready just how I liked it as I walked up to the counter.
She earned her tips from me.
True , but it appears that ole Pierce tips about .007 percent.
The article is a little confusing. I think what is being said is that because you get tips I don't have to pay you the minimum wage. So in affect because of the tips the business owner makes out because they can pay you less.
As far as the employer never saw the tips, things have changed since you were getting tips. Now what happens Is that the employer assumes you made at least 10% of your gross sales and the they tax you on that amount.
To be more clear if you get bad service and do not leave a tip, the waiter/waitress actually is paying more taxes and thus lost money on that table.
I would if I got really bad service, notify the manager, but would still leave a small tip to offset the automatic addition that they get. Then you most likely would get comp'ed and receive a free meal or desert.
It is the customer's sole right to determine whether a tip is given, the amount and who will be the recipient of his tip. Such rights are not only guaranteed by our constitution
You don't tip in most of Europe. Service is included in the price.
It can work if the owners are on top of their operation, and it helps if those were the rules when the employee starts day one. If there's poor management or absent ownership someone who works harder will often get hosed. All I know is that since this practice has started it's worked really well for both the staff and the customers.
I'm sorry, but if I tip the waiter less than 12/5%, then he's screwed himself. I've always considered myself a generous tipper... 15-20% for adequate service, more if it was better than adequate... but service seems to decrease in quality all the time.
I don't expect anyone to bow down and KMA, but courteous and prompt service provided by a person who seems to care about the job he's doing... it's becoming more rare.
When I do get a good waiter/waitress, they can count on being rewarded. It is grossly unfair that a good waiter should have to share his tip with someone who wouldn't rate a tip at all from me.
This reminds me of the latest Stephen King mystery novel, where the guy officially tipped stingy, but slid good money in the waitress' pocket, so she wouldn't get screwed.
LOL LOL LOL!
I should just simmer down. :-)
They do tip (10%) now even though there is a gratuity included.
I told the cabbie to step on it and there would be an extra tip in it for him. He made it to my car in unbelievable time and I gave the guy a $50 tip.
AWESOME analysis!! Hands down!
It's a penumbra of an emanation.
This is unconstitutional because it is a tax on income that may or may not even exist but for the discretion of the customer.
Dole was just a facilitator for the democRATs in a lot of issues.
Wow. I am glad that you made it.
I haven't been there since 1996 but will probably go back for holidays next summer (I have a close friend in Germany).
Thanks for the heads up.
Yes, you basically say "Stimmt so.", which means "Keep the change." If you're really generous, you give, say, a 50 Euro bill for a 45 Euro meal and still say it. However, "Stimmt so" is not expected of patrons as tips are here. You will get no dirty looks for not doing it.
Rounding to the Euro is done regularly, and is seen as much as a convenience for both patron and waiter (not bothering with change) as it is a gratuity. Rounding to give the waiter several Euros is a bit rare, and you do it for exceptional service, usually on a special occasion.
It just seems to me every one has their hand out. I hate seeing the tipping jar at Subway sandwich shops.
I'm surprised that no one's mentioned the Hillary! tipping incident.
Hillary received a free breakfast once, I think while she was campaigning, and she didn't give her waitress a tip.
She certainly has that Marxist help-the-working people attitude down.
In the restaurant I worked, at the end of the night you went to the office to "tip out". They make you give a certain % of your food SALES towards bus-boys, hostesses, etc.
I see the reason behind the practice. If a bus-boy or hostess does a good job they indeed do affect a server's tips. The issue is, the customer is not tipping the bus-boy/hostess. They are tipping the server - period.
What has happened is restaurants are able to pay the non-tipped employees less based on the server's tips. Instead of a server voluntarily sharing some of their tips with the help that does indeed HELP, you have it mandatory by management. The management collects a % from each server then equally distributes it between the various help.
It is socialist to the core.
:-) You're welcome!
I went to the South and they were very American friendly.
I think lots of shared tips go to busboys who clean tables for the server, people who make the salads for them, people who help deliver their orders. I don't think tip sharing is in itself evil, but then again, salaried people in management shouldn't get part of the tip. That's what customers give their server for the value of the service, not part of the food bill. I usually am a big tipper because I'm usually out with grandkids who are not as neat as they will be in years in the future. We clean up what we can, but it's easier after ourselves are out of the way of course. So, tipping well then is in order.
I was more fearful on that cab ride than at any time on either combat tour.
When a practice such as the one George14 described is in place in a restaurant (socialism) what is the incentive to work hard? You're taxed on 8% of food sales no matter what, 1-3% goes to hired help, etc...
Tipping in Germany is regular and expected. I just came back. I didn't realize that the rounding up was gone, but it is.
Yes there's a gratuity included, but the practice is an additional 10%. I am trying to be helpful for those who will have occasion to travel.
PS Stimmt so literally means "That's true". In one context, it can mean that you and the waiter are all set. In another, we could read it that the writer is confirming that what was written is accurate :-)
Dennis Miller shows up a couple of times and appears to be quite an @sshole, while Rosie O'Donnell consistently leaves a 100% tip (but only signs autographs for kids!).
It's a penumbra of an emanation.
Agreed. He and his wife live just outside of Munich. You're spot on when compared to the North (I'm Canukistanian but with a Southern Ontario voice get taken as American in most places, and no problems ever, and I don't generally see a need to bother correcting anyone).
I can't even imagine what that ride was like. Again I am glad that you made it!
I also would like to thank you for your service. God Bless you and your family! :-)
It made the papers. She had even had second helpings. She couldn't get out of that one, but it passed quickly.
Actually tipping is uncommon in Europe. The gratuity is usually built into the price of the meal or service. A huge faux pas is to leave a tip for a bartende in England or Scotland. Didn't see tipping in Germany and Austria either.
You can read minds? Do you really think most people care if the waitress has to share her tips with the rest of the staff that helps her provide the service to you?
I think the question is whether people are paying extra for good service from one person, or if they are paying extra for good service period.
I worked for $1.30/hr plus tips as a waiter when minimum wage was $1.65. I also washed dishes for $1.45, cooked for $1.55 and worked the fountain for $1.65. The manager routinely took half my tips and distributed them to the busboys. Even more egregious was when I handled a party of 120 people. I received zero assistance from anyone until the last two plates needed to be cleared. Another waiter walked in and picked them up. The manager forced me to split the $5 tip with a guy whose only contribution was picking up two plates after the whole show was over. That same manager wouldn't give me the day off from washing dishes to participate in the once in a lifetime "Flight of the Eagles" sponsored by PSA in San Diego. A different manager routinely punched my timecard out early to "improve" his financial results. He sorry butt is in prison today for more serious crimes.
Frankly, I think the whole "tip splitting" behavior is an outrageous intrusion on the issue of tipping a server. I have no problem reporting the amount of tips as taxable income, but being forced to "share" tips with people who had no part in the service to the customer is ridiculous.
I think Rosie follows the Pat Cooper philosophy, that is to always tip well as thanks for the cushy living we make.
Exactly the reason top pooling shouldn't be allowed. ALLOW failure. If the waitress doesn't tip, and doesn't get good "help" from the others, she's not going to make good money and thus how long do you think she'll be in the server business? Probably not long.
Now, on the other hand, I can see why a MANAGER of a restaurant would not want this to happen as it is the customer who suffers.
The solution is not tip pooling though, it's to fire or shift the bad servers. *shrug*
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