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To: BlueStateDepression
If I think my booth is very clean and I want to tip the busboy I will. If I want to tip the cooks I will. To me, those services are part the bill I pay for the meal. A curteous waitress that never lets my drink glass go empty is worth a tip.

This is an artificial construct. You consider a table cleaned, and cleaned in a swift manner so you don't have to wait to be "part of the bill," yet you don't consider bringing the food to the table and keeping your whistle wet "part of the bill"? Is there some rational reason for that?

If busboys, hostesses and waitresses, along with cooks, all together make your experience a good one, why does it bother you if they all share in your gratuity? How can you logically single out the waitress?

SD

50 posted on 12/06/2005 12:57:01 PM PST by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave; BlueStateDepression
If busboys, hostesses and waitresses, along with cooks, all together make your experience a good one, why does it bother you if they all share in your gratuity?

I think you *missed* the point about this 'tip share' SCAM.

'Tip Share' scam only benefits the employers, because they now only have to PAY these busboys, hostesses, etc the same 2 bucks per hr. as they pay the waitresses.....because they all now 'share tips'.

Cost to employer only 6 bucks p.h for these 3 employees......without 'tip share' the BB's & hostesses would be paid at least mim. wage p.h. & only the waitress 2 bucks p.h.

I figured this scam out when my daughter waited tables & was told she had to 'share' her tips with all employees & then found these same employees were paid the same 2 bucks p.h. as she was. (because they too now received *tips*).

117 posted on 12/06/2005 1:31:08 PM PST by txdoda (Voters to Gov't .......Re: post 9-11 Border Security....... ""The results are Unacceptable."")
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To: SoothingDave
You consider a table cleaned, and cleaned in a swift manner so you don't have to wait to be "part of the bill,"

Absolutely and here is why. The health department says it HAS to be clean and they benefit it being done swiftly because they get to seat me before I get tired of waiting and go elsewhere. Artifical it is not.

As you notice many food places see you take your own food to the table and even see you fill your own cup. The meal doesn't cost you any less now does it? The booths still have to be clean Eh?

why does it bother you if they all share in your gratuity?

Where to start??? I tip who I want to tip, others do not decide who my tip goes to. BIG difference there!! Busboys and cooks and dishwashers are not paid 2.13 an hour, I know I wasn't, and I know my brother isn't today. Oh yeah you forgot that I should be extra happy that my fork and knife was clean right?

The real question here is why are cooks and busboys relying on the presentation of the waitress for their pay?

Tip share is a racket. It is a way for them to get you, the customer, to pay an even greater share of their overhead than youpay for the meal itself. Tip share will see the act of tipping fall off as people understand what happens to their tips.
144 posted on 12/06/2005 1:46:20 PM PST by BlueStateDepression
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To: SoothingDave

I as a customer am supposed to be able to single out any one I want as the recipient of my tip. It's the customer's constitutional right to determine for himself who should be the recipient of his tip. This constitutional right to determine for one's self how his money is spent is a part of the liberty that is guaranteed by our constitution in both the 5th and the 14th amendments. When employers are allowed to arbitrarily share the tip their worker has received with other workers it deprives the customer of his right to determine who should receive his tip.

When business are allowed to reduce the wages of an employee simply because the customer chose to tip that employee, again, the customer is being deprived of his constitutional right to determine how his money is spent. The tip credit allows businesses to turn the customers tip into financial benefits for the business whether the customer is in agreement or not. Because of the unconstitutional tip credit, a customer who gives a waiter a $20 dollar tip can have his tip used to reduce the business's payroll expenses irregardless of the fact that he is tipping to financially benefit the worker.
When busisnesses are allowed to use the customer's tip to save themsleves money the business is able to benefit themselves to the customer's tip even though it was the intention of the customer to financially benefit the worker.
Employer required tip pooling along with the tip credit deprive the public of their right to determine who should receive the finacial benefits of their tip.

Employer required tip pooling is a business practice which deprives the customer of his right to determine who should receive his tip. When employers are allowed to require tip pooling it doesn't matter if the customer tells the owner his tip is intended for one employee. The business has been given a legal authority to disregard the constitutional rights of the customer and determine for themselves who should receive the customer's tip. Businesses can take the customer's tip away from the customer's intended recipient without any permission needed from the customer.

When employers take a tip credit on their tipped employee and pay him $2.13 an hour in wages it is also a business practice which deprives the public of their right to determine who should receive the financial benefits of their tip. The tip credit allows businesses to use the customer's tip to reduce their own expenses so that the business can finacially benfefit from the customer's tip even if the customer clearly indicates that his tip is intended for the financial benefit of the emplolee to whom it was given. Businesses can take the financial benefits of the customer's tip away from his intended recipient, again, without any permission needed from the customer.

These business practices are more than just unconstituional, they are criminal. Tips are the public's money and as such they have the exclusive right to determine who should receive them. Businesses who adopt business practices which take the customers tip and utilze it for the interests of the business are stealing the customer's tips through such business practices.


231 posted on 12/28/2005 10:42:20 AM PST by George14
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