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Expert: Saudis have radicalized 80% of US mosques
Jerusalem Post ^ | Dec. 7, 2005 | Haviv Rettig

Posted on 12/06/2005 6:15:52 PM PST by Alouette

Mainstream US Muslim organizations are heavily influenced by Saudi-funded extremists, according to Yehudit Barsky, an expert on terrorism at the American Jewish Committee.

Worse still, Barsky told The Jerusalem Post last week, these "extremist organizations continue to claim the mantle of leadership" over American Islam.

The power of the extremist Wahhabi form of Islam in the United States was created with generous Saudi financing of American Muslim communities over the past few decades. Over 80 percent of the mosques in the United States "have been radicalized by Saudi money and influence," Barsky said.

Before the 1970s, she explained, "Muslim immigrants who came to the United States would build a store-front mosque somewhere. Then, since the 1970s, the Saudis have been approaching these mosques and telling them it wasn't proper for the glory of Islam to build such small mosques."

For many Muslims, it seemed the Saudis were offering a free mosque. However, Barsky believes for each mosque they invested in, the Saudis sent along their own imam (teacher-cleric).

"These [immigrants] were not interested in this [Wahhabi] ideology, and suddenly they have a Saudi imam coming in and telling them they're not praying properly and not practicing Shari'a [Islamic law] properly." This Saudi strategy was being carried out "all over the world, from America to Bangladesh," with the Saudis investing $70-80 billion in the endeavor over three decades.

Barsky, who heads the AJC's Division on Middle East and International Terrorism and is the executive editor of Counterterrorism Watch, said this means that "the people now in control of teaching religion [to American Muslims] are extremists. Who teaches the mainstream moderate non-Saudi Islam that people used to have? It's in the homes, but there's no infrastructure. Eighty percent of the infrastructure is controlled by these extremists."

The same is true, Barsky said, of many of the mainstream Muslim organizations in America. Many of them are "pro-Saudi and pro-Muslim Brotherhood organizations."

As examples, she listed three important groups: the Islamic Society of North America, which "supports the Muslim Brotherhood and the Saudi regime;" the Islamic Circle of North America, which "is composed of members of Jamaat e-Islami, a Pakistani Islamic radical organization similar to the Muslim Brotherhood that helped to establish the Taliban;" and the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR), "founded in the 1980s by pro-Hamas activists."

The problem is most acute when it comes to interfaith relations. When advising colleagues on interfaith work with their Muslim counterparts, Barsky tells them "to proceed with caution, [since] some of the [extremist] organizations have concluded that interfaith dialogue is a good way to spread the ideology."

Indeed, despite instructions given in Saudi embassy literature - and available in many mosques throughout the country - which blast Jewish and Christian "corruption and immorality" and teach Muslims that "the only way to survive is to have no contact with the infidel Christians and Jews," these organizations reach out to Jews and Christians.

Barsky explained that interfaith dialogue gives such organizations a public legitimacy that their ideology would deny them if they expressed it outright.

"So there's a problem," Barsky concluded, "with knowing who these people are, who is really moderate. [These organizations] come to the Jewish community to talk about interfaith, while they still teach anti-Western and anti-Christian doctrines to their followers. Some of the leaders have even condoned suicide bombings in Israel and against American armed forces."

Her advice to American Jewish organizations who want to take part in interfaith activities: "Take time to learn who they are and what they're saying. It's more complicated than just respecting each other."

As for finding true moderates in the American Muslim community, Barsky said such organizations "have quite a way to go before they will have the level of organization" displayed by the extremist organizations. "So there's a moderate voice that hasn't been heard. But it's starting to be heard, and that's because of the anger over [organizations such as] CAIR claiming the mantle of leadership."

For example, organizations such as the Arizona-based American Islamic Forum for Democracy and the Washington-based Center for Islamic Pluralism are both new and "have gathered under their umbrella a number of moderate organizations."

As for combatting Islamic radicals in America, Barsky thinks Americans need to change the way they think about Wahhabi Islam.

"The United States has a hard time understanding the extremists' ideology. Americans don't like to interfere in the religion of other people. But the reality is that this isn't religion, but a politicized radical ideology. It's very dangerous," she warned, adding that the people who are being taught this ideology are prime targets for recruitment by terror organizations.

"If we don't understand that [these groups] are dangerous," she concluded simply, "we're going to suffer the consequences."

TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: cair; jihadinamerica; saudi; wahabi; wahhabi
But "Jewish" loudmouths like Abe Foxman and Eric Yoffie say the "Christians" are the enemy.
1 posted on 12/06/2005 6:15:54 PM PST by Alouette
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2 posted on 12/06/2005 6:17:20 PM PST by Alouette (Learned Mother of Zion)
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To: Alouette
Expert: Saudis have radicalized 80% of US mosques

I am stunned. Stunned.

3 posted on 12/06/2005 6:18:07 PM PST by theDentist (The Dems have put all their eggs in one basket-case: Howard "Belltower" Dean.)
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To: Alouette
Religion of peace my arse, and the Saudis are our friends my arse BUMP!
4 posted on 12/06/2005 6:23:03 PM PST by conservativecorner
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To: theDentist

And stuned. This is a very important article if the details are even half true. This is our future.

Fortunatley the percentage of these Muzzles is lower than in EU.

5 posted on 12/06/2005 6:23:29 PM PST by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: theDentist

At least we know where to deploy the munitions, should the need arise.

6 posted on 12/06/2005 6:25:32 PM PST by msf92497 (Was Republican...Now just a Conservative.)
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To: Alouette
Nuclear Iran should not be the only one on the preemptive strike short list.

The Saudi Wahhabists fund far more Islamic terrorist training sites (mosques) in the West then the radical Shi'ite Iranians.

Neither of these renegade régimes would exist without their 'oil-for-terrorism' profits.

7 posted on 12/06/2005 6:28:17 PM PST by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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To: theDentist

"Expert: Saudis have radicalized 80% of US mosques

I am stunned. Stunned."

Say it isn't so! Didn't we know we are under assault on all levels?

8 posted on 12/06/2005 6:28:40 PM PST by combat_boots (Dug in and not budging an inch. NOT to be schiavoed, greered, or felosed as a patient)
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To: conservativecorner
Friends? What do you mean friends?

They're family.

George W Bush and Bandar Bush

9 posted on 12/06/2005 6:29:28 PM PST by Sabramerican
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To: Alouette

As we agressively apply the Oil Slick principle in Iraq, a larger anti-American enemy slowly applies it over here: the likes of "loudmouths" as you say, and their useful "good-intentioned" following of naive liberals.

10 posted on 12/06/2005 6:29:37 PM PST by SteveMcKing ("No empire collapses because of technical reasons. They collapse because they are unnatural.")
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To: Alouette

This has been known for a long time, at least since 9/11 when people started paying attention. And I had read articles about the Saudi radicalization of Pakistani madrassahs much earlier than that, back in the time of the war to eject the USSR from Afghanistan.

The problem, of course, is that the CIA, the FBI, the State Department, and apparently the President are not interested in looking at this or admitting it.

I think there was a time when the President may have had Saudi Arabia on his to-do list, but at this point it's not clear whether he even intends to deal with Syria or Iran.

11 posted on 12/06/2005 6:30:58 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Alouette
[ Expert: Saudis have radicalized 80% of US mosques ]

WRONG.. all mosques are radical institutions..and Time Bombs..
The Saudis merely shorten the fuse of some..

12 posted on 12/06/2005 6:36:02 PM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
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To: Right Wing Assault

But very unfortunately their percentage is not too low either.
It's gonna be ugly, folks.

13 posted on 12/06/2005 6:36:17 PM PST by ConservativeChinese (I'm a Chinese, no affirmative action needed, thank you.)
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To: hosepipe

Couldn't agree more.

14 posted on 12/06/2005 6:37:35 PM PST by ConservativeChinese (I'm a Chinese, no affirmative action needed, thank you.)
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To: conservativecorner

The Saudis are a fiendly nation..

15 posted on 12/06/2005 6:46:18 PM PST by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: Alouette

We just got a new Mosque in our town. These kid's running around with burkas and the teacher's doing the same. It makes me sick. At least a little humor though they have the crescent makes it look like an old time outhouse.

16 posted on 12/06/2005 7:05:11 PM PST by JustAnotherOkie
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17 posted on 12/06/2005 7:05:38 PM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: theDentist
I am stunned. Stunned.

I'm shocked as well. Deeply saddened too.


Yeah, go figure, right!

18 posted on 12/06/2005 7:06:51 PM PST by Fruitbat
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To: Alouette

Islam is an agressive, malignant, depraved socio/political system with no common ground with the West or possiblity of coexistence. The only options available are convert to islam, be a slave to islam (dhimmitude),death by islam or kill islam.

19 posted on 12/06/2005 7:22:10 PM PST by 11B40 (times change, people don't)
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To: Alouette

Religion of Peace bump

20 posted on 12/06/2005 7:58:46 PM PST by Dajjal
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Jihad in Small Town America: Part 3 of a Series

By Laura Mansfield

"The extremists have taken over so many of our mosques, one mosque at a time. They have driven out those who disagree with their ideology." Those are the words of Dr. Ibrahim Mohamed, a respected faculty member at a university not far from Atlanta, Georgia. Dr. Mohamed is a proud and brave man, but he is also quite concerned that this interview will cause him to be marked as an apostate. At the onset of this interview, he made it clear that he fears retaliation in response to the information he is providing, especially possible during the trip to Cairo he has scheduled for this summer.

Dr. Mohamed is a graduate of Ain Shams University in Cairo, and has been in this country since the mid-1970's. He is proud of his U.S. citizenship. "When I came to this country, it was everyone’s dream in Egypt to go live in America. Everyone loved Americans. Now when I go back to my home country, I do not advertise that I am an American."

He is quite concerned that this interview will cause him to be marked as an apostate, and he fears retaliation, especially on his planned trip to Cairo this summer.

"In Egypt, everyone knew about the Muslim Brotherhood, but it was illegal. After the peace treaty with Israel, the radicals came crawling out of the darkness. But they weren’t idiots. They were very cunning," he explained.

Dr. Mohamed continued, "The US knew there was going to be a problem. They had problems in Iran with the Ayatullah, now they were afraid there would be problems in Egypt. Jimmy Carter and his people were going to reach the next generation of young men by giving them scholarships to come and study in America. They were going to teach them how great the US was. They recruited from universities in Egypt, Syria, Saudia, the Emirates – all the Arab countries."

Dr. Mohamed thinks part of the problem was the students themselves. "They [the students] didn’t have to be the smartest. Some were just average students. They didn't just come from Cairo and Alexandria, they came from Benha and Assuit and Mansoura and Gharbeya. Anyone who wanted to come to the US and go to graduate school could with a little bit of work, and get a fellowship."

He explained that the rural enclaves of Egypt, especially in places like Assuit and Benha, were known reservoirs of Islamic extremism, even back in the 1980’s.

"The US paid their tuition to go to universities all over the country, and paid them living expenses – around 500 U.S. Dollars per month. You have to understand that was a great deal of money to these men, especially the men from Egypt. Most had been working in an Egyptian university or a public sector job, and they were making less that $50 a month. This is in 1980 money. Much of that $500 a month went to support Bin Laden in Afghanistan, with the blessing of the US," continued Dr. Mohamed.

According to Dr. Mohamed, the US inadvertently bankrolled a generation of sleeper agents, educating them, and helping them to become established, respected members of their communities. Many married American women, believing that marriage to an American allowed them to remain in the US. And for many, the two year home country residence requirement was a simple formality. Some took their new wives back to their homelands, remained for two years, and came back to the US. Others found loopholes in the law, or managed to get exceptions to the requirement.

"Go look at your newspaper. The US reported that they have a man in prison in Iraq, a man from Jordan, a man who is one of Al Zarqawi's assistants. They say he came to the US, took US citizenship, and lived in the US for over 20 years. How do you think he came to the US? Most likely he came to the US as a student. He probably came to the US to study, maybe paid for by the US, maybe paid for by Jordan. Most likely he married an American girl, got a degree in Engineering, maybe a masters or a doctorate. Or maybe he got lucky and won the visa lottery. Those are the two main ways to get into America and usually it is as a student. They say he lived here for 20 years so he had to have a job, or maybe he started a small business."

Dr. Mohamed shook his finger at me, as though lecturing a small child. "There are many like him here. He is not the only one."

"Before the 1980's, before Camp David and the ensuing Arab appeasement, there weren't nearly as many mosques as you see now. We met in a classroom or a meeting room at the university, or at someone's home. Then the mosques started going up. They started small. Many started as a simple rented house. Then in a year or two they had the money to buy the land, and buy a building. Where did the money come from? Not the students. The students sent their zakah to Afghanistan. The money came from the governments. From Saudia [Saudi Arabia], from foundations that were set up by the Saudis."

"Who ran the foundations, who decided where the money went? The religious men, the ones serious about Islam."

But according to Dr. Mohamed, they weren’t just serious about Islam. Many were Wahabi Muslims, of the same sect as Osama Bin Laden. And it is these mosques that formed the core of the Islamic terror network that currently sleeps underground in America.

"We were very excited to have a mosque to pray in. As Muslims we are required to attend the Jumu’ah (Friday) prayer services. We believe that the reward for group prayer is 27 times that of saying the prayers individually, so having a mosque where we can assemble to say the prayers is something we were very happy about."

But divisions emerged, mostly regarding politics, according to Dr. Mohamed. "I prefer that politics and religion be kept separate, the way it is done here in America by your government. The separation of church and state is a good thing. Over the years the mosque became political."

Dr. Mohamed explained that at first, the political sermons were against Israel. Most Muslims were sympathetic to the Palestinian issue, and were largely unified against Israeli actions. Still, a few Muslims withdrew from the mosque community, but by and large the group remained together.

"First we got our own building. Then soon we needed a full-time Imam, someone who could lead the prayers and lead the community."

Dr. Mohamed explained that full-time imams have usually received advance education, maybe a doctorate or masters degree, in Islamic studies. And therein was a problem. Many of these imams have been educated in universities and schools surrounding conservative mosques like the Grand Mosque in Mecca. The Imams brought with them the ideology of Wahabi Islam.

And with the first Gulf War, the political divisions within the mosque intensified. As the decade of the nineties progressed, the sermons became more and more radical, says Dr. Mohamed. "Eventually it reached the point, after Bin Laden bombed the embassies in Africa, where I stopped going to the mosque. Anyone with eyes could see what was happening. I didn’t want to be connected to that. I love America. But there were so many people in the mosque that hated America. They are still there. Those of us who love this country don’t go to the mosque anymore."

Has he tried other mosques? Dr. Ibrahim admitted that he had tried several others, in the Atlanta area, and had not found one where he was confortable.

I asked how he handles the mandatory Friday congregational prayers? "Several of us get together at our homes, or in our offices at the university, or in a classroom and pray," he explained.

"You think there are no terror cells in America? You think the FBI and the Homeland Security has caught them all? I wish they would but they don’t. There are cells from Islamic terror groups in every big city in this country."

I asked "What about Atlanta?"

Dr. Mohamed’s answer was chilling. "I am absolutely certain there are groups here in Atlanta. I do not know who they are or where they are. But I am sure they are here. Do you want to know why? Because Mohamed Atta came to Atlanta. Why did he come here? There are flight schools all over America. Why Atlanta? The only answer is he had friends here, he had some sort of support group here."

Dr. Mohamed claims that he expressed these concerns to the FBI and he was assured that the matter would be investigated. He admitted that because he didn’t have any information other than speculation that it was unlikely that they would be able to do anything about his suspicions.

*Note: The name Dr. Ibrahim Mohamed is a pseudonym used to protect the anonmity of the actual source. It is NOT his actual name.

21 posted on 12/06/2005 8:03:06 PM PST by Calpernia (
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22 posted on 12/06/2005 8:03:48 PM PST by Calpernia (
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To: Alouette

bingo. exactamundo. bullseye.

hell i got the same thing from a Bangladeshi acquaintance when he talked about the devils coming to Bangladesh with their money and forced ideology. He chafes at and ridicules the local imans who don the traditional arab garb of flowing robes and headress. Says it has -0- practicality considering the climate in Bangladesh vs that in Arabia. But they tow the line because the Saudis have the money. Our money. We are such IDIOTS!

23 posted on 12/06/2005 8:30:31 PM PST by kinghorse
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To: kinghorse

furthermore you see it everyday. compare the average american muslim today to one 25 years ago. Today they are more conservative, practice their faith more radically (forcing women to cover up for instance) than anything you saw in the past. All because our dear friends, the Saudis have been enforcing their firebrand, cultish version of the faith. these people who are basically disliked by most other muslims because of their history as thieves and worse to the pilgrims forced to travel their land to get to Mecca, these are the ones supposedly more pious, more pure to their God. The worst of the lot and they run the show. The part about teaching a complex political and social ideology is the TRUTH.

we are so screwed.

24 posted on 12/06/2005 8:34:41 PM PST by kinghorse
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25 posted on 12/06/2005 8:38:26 PM PST by Velveeta
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To: Alouette
Locate the "Enemies Domestic" near your home with IslamicFinder.


26 posted on 12/06/2005 10:48:37 PM PST by 10mm
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To: 10mm

buy ammo.

27 posted on 12/06/2005 11:22:09 PM PST by MonroeDNA (Look for the union label--on the bat crashing through your windshield!)
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To: MonroeDNA

I already have a coffee table made of (full) .308 milsurp crates. It's getting tougher to find storage space!

28 posted on 12/06/2005 11:38:05 PM PST by 10mm
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To: msf92497
At least we know where to deploy the munitions, should the need arise.

Well, the best defense...

29 posted on 12/07/2005 4:22:32 AM PST by theDentist (The Dems have put all their eggs in one basket-case: Howard "Belltower" Dean.)
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30 posted on 12/07/2005 5:00:20 AM PST by Convert from ECUSA (Not a nickel, not a dime, stop sending my tax money to Hamastine!)
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If you'd like to be on this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me.


31 posted on 12/07/2005 5:53:07 AM PST by SJackson (There's no such thing as too late, that's why they invented death. Walter Matthau)
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32 posted on 12/07/2005 7:17:23 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated my FR profile on Wednesday, November 2, 2005.)
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To: Sabramerican
Didn't you get the memo - the Saudis are our friends (according to President Bush), and we don't need to guard our southern border either (again, according to President Bush - it's been several years since 9/11 and little has been done so it must be safe!).

Meanwhile, if you are a little old lady, expect frequent delays at the airport.
33 posted on 12/07/2005 7:51:48 AM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: Alouette; SunkenCiv; Convert from ECUSA; Sabramerican

I saw news of his latest anti-Christian jeremiad plastered across the front page of The Forward earlier this week as I was coming back from the NYPL.

America's Jewish Newspaper!

Give me a break.

There's no way that I'm spending one cent on that piffle.

34 posted on 12/07/2005 3:26:13 PM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham
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To: Do not dub me shapka broham; Alouette; Sabramerican; SunkenCiv; sheik yerbouty

Hmmmmm. Yoffie and Foxman.

OK, from a non-Jewish person's perspective, these two clowns and their ilk are the allahu fubar heads you all are stuck with, like John Shelby Spong, "father" Andrew Greely, etc. are our allahu furbar heads.

A carpetbaggin' allahu fubar head is a carpetbaggin' allahu fubar head, regardless of so-called "ethnic" or "denominational" background. And they all wear on decent people's nerves like rusty hinges.

36 posted on 12/08/2005 6:08:42 AM PST by Convert from ECUSA (Not a nickel, not a dime, stop sending my tax money to Hamastine!)
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LOL! I NEVER get tired of that picture.

My end-tables are constructed of 10mm cartons :^)

37 posted on 12/08/2005 8:59:40 AM PST by 10mm
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Reply to post #35

Some of my faverite type of people. I only wish the very best for them. They are all princesses.-Rosh Yisrael

39 posted on 12/08/2005 12:15:41 PM PST by Lewite (Praise YAHWEH and Proclaim His Wonderful Name, His Son Yahshua Messiah is coming soon!)
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