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Wealthy Nations Owe 'Climate Debt' to Poor, Greens Say
CNSNews ^ | December 07, 2005 | Marc Morano

Posted on 12/07/2005 6:51:03 AM PST by ncountylee

Montreal (CNSNews.com) - Environmental groups attending the United Nations Climate Change Conference have demanded that the U.S. and the other industrialized nations pay a "climate debt" to the poor nations for contributing to catastrophic, human-caused "global warming."

"Let's face it, [the developing countries] are not responsible for the problem and yet they are the most vulnerable to the impacts of climate change," said Catherine Pearce, international climate campaigner for Friends of the Earth International (FOEI). Pearce spoke with Cybercast News Service at the 11th annual U.N. Climate Change Conference in Montreal.

"It is total over-exploitation by the North[ern Hemisphere] and the North is just using up the natural resources of the world for its own gain and its own benefit," Pearce said. She noted that "people are being thrown off their land (in developing countries) to grow mono-culture plantations" that are used by industrialized countries.

"What Northern countries can be doing is to repay some of [their climate] debt in terms of resources, financing, [and] technology to countries of the South[ern Hemisphere]," she added.

Friends of the Earth International sponsored a panel discussion on "climate justice" at the U.N. conference on Monday.

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1 posted on 12/07/2005 6:51:05 AM PST by ncountylee
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To: ncountylee

Of course they are nothing but a bunch of commies. Canada, Russia, and the Scandinavian countries owe us big time for warming up their deep freeze style countries.


2 posted on 12/07/2005 6:53:57 AM PST by Ninian Dryhope
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To: ncountylee
"Let's face it, [the developing countries] are not responsible for the problem and yet they are the most vulnerable to the impacts of climate change,"

Yesterday it was "Men are mostly responsible, women mostly impacted".
Pack sand, all of you greenies.

3 posted on 12/07/2005 6:58:24 AM PST by grobdriver (Let the embeds check the bodies!)
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To: ncountylee

Let me be first...BBWWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!


4 posted on 12/07/2005 6:58:34 AM PST by Abathar (Proudly catching hell for posting without reading since 2004)
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To: ncountylee

I prefer my watermelons round, inert, as a fruit, and not espousing Marxism.


5 posted on 12/07/2005 6:58:41 AM PST by Killborn (Pres. Bush isn't Pres. Reagan. Then again, Pres. Regan isn't Pres. Washington. God bless them all.)
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To: ncountylee
This is what the global warming hoax has been about all along.

Redistribution of wealth.

At least they are no longer pretending.

6 posted on 12/07/2005 6:58:45 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam Factoid:After forcing young girls to watch his men execute their fathers, Muhammad raped them.)
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To: Ninian Dryhope

And the rest of the world owes us for the refrigerators we sent 'em.


7 posted on 12/07/2005 6:59:08 AM PST by Emmett McCarthy
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To: ncountylee

The more we give, the more they stay poor.

Self sufficiency is required. Eliminating foreign aid altogether would work better.


8 posted on 12/07/2005 6:59:37 AM PST by Uncle Miltie (Dems Cut and Run on their own ideas!)
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To: ncountylee

Let's pay off the debt by sending them all our Greens. Tell those countries they can employ them the way they want. Digging latrines and other forms of stoop labor.


9 posted on 12/07/2005 7:01:42 AM PST by samtheman
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To: ncountylee
Wealthy Nations Owe 'Climate Debt' to Poor, Greens Say

Die.

Unpleasantly.

10 posted on 12/07/2005 7:02:15 AM PST by Lazamataz (Proudly Lying About My Sign-Up Date Since 1998)
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To: ncountylee

Once again, it's all about the money.


11 posted on 12/07/2005 7:02:33 AM PST by joebuck
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Bingo!


12 posted on 12/07/2005 7:03:14 AM PST by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: ncountylee
"Let's face it, [the developing countries] are not responsible for the problem and yet they are the most vulnerable to the impacts of climate change ..."

I believe that this is the same group that was complaining about the strip-burning of the Brazilian Rain Forests and lack of smokestack scrubbers on eastern European manufacturing plant. At that time they were accusing these developing countries of causing most of the damage to the environment. I guess they figured out that the US has deeper pockets.

13 posted on 12/07/2005 7:04:08 AM PST by mbynack
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To: ncountylee

"North is just using up the natural resources of the world for its own gain and its own benefit"

First, "global warming" is an unproven theory, against which a lot of scientific evidence is beginning to accumulate.

Second, the US has led the world in the development and application of anti-pollution devices and technologies. Think I read somewhere that, on our own, we're doing more to curb pollution and the creation of greenhouse gasses than most of the signatories to Kyoto.

Third, there has never been a net movement of wealth from the developing world to the West. Even in colonial times, the imperial powers put way more investment into their colonies than was ever extracted from those colonies. And today, with foreign aid, debt forgiveness, low-priced pharmaceuticals and free technology transfers, net gains by the developing world continue (and continue to be squandered by corrupt and incompetent governments).

I don't know why I even posted this. The kind of assinine comments coming from the envirowhackos doesn't even rate a response.


14 posted on 12/07/2005 7:05:40 AM PST by happyathome
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To: Ninian Dryhope

I call greens watermelons they are green on the outside, red on the inside.


15 posted on 12/07/2005 7:06:15 AM PST by TXBSAFH ("I would rather be a free man in my grave then living as a puppet or a slave." - Jimmy Cliff)
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To: ncountylee

Any studies on the atmospheric impact of daily cooking fires?


16 posted on 12/07/2005 7:06:18 AM PST by ctdonath2
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To: ncountylee

If they don't want our industrialization, let's not send them any of the products of it, either: medicines, communications, charity, doctors, call centers...

Ayn Rand was right. We're in the middle of the Anti-Industrial Revolution.


17 posted on 12/07/2005 7:09:24 AM PST by SlowBoat407 (The best stuff happens just before the thread snaps.)
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To: ctdonath2

Michael Moore's flatulence contributes more to global warming than the entire US.


18 posted on 12/07/2005 7:10:09 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: happyathome

The truth always makes us feel better.


19 posted on 12/07/2005 7:10:17 AM PST by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: ncountylee

Their pretzel shaped brains must make the most fascinating MRI/catscans - whichever applies.


20 posted on 12/07/2005 7:15:56 AM PST by Let's Roll ( "Congressmen who ... undermine the military ... should be arrested, exiled or hanged" - A. Lincoln)
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To: happyathome
"The kind of assinine comments coming from the envirowhackos doesn't even rate a response." I saw pics on the news of those idiots up in Queer-bec, standing around freezing with their tuques and mits on, whining about "global warming " between shivers. What morons.
21 posted on 12/07/2005 7:32:26 AM PST by Forte Runningrock
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To: ctdonath2

"Let's face it, [the developing countries] are not responsible for the problem"

india? china? any turd world nation? only developed countries are looking at and are concerned about emissions. Only they have the infrastructure which provides for a EPA or support monitoring groups.

oooh man..... I hate the smell of methane. these guys gotta rethink their criticisms.


22 posted on 12/07/2005 7:47:58 AM PST by jackson29
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To: ncountylee
Yeah, we need to give up our wealth. When the planet freezes over.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie.Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

23 posted on 12/07/2005 8:13:01 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

America is 1/2 Trillion in the red. I think we can be considered poor.


24 posted on 12/07/2005 8:20:53 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (Liberal Talking Point - Bush = Hitler ... Republican Talking Point - Let the Liberals Talk)
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To: EQAndyBuzz
Denny Crane said the same thing on Larry King. If the poor remain poor, its certainly not due to anything the rich did to them. How does taking away tax cuts from every one else help the poor? By liberal logic, considering our debt burden, its the rest of the world that owes us debt forgiveness. But then again our own liberals hate America and begrudge it what little prosperity we do enjoy.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie.Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

25 posted on 12/07/2005 8:25:58 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: ncountylee

According to another post today from Earthfiles on global warming, the weather we're having now on Earth is part of a 10,000 year cycle that alternates with 100,000 year ice ages.

I assume that the now-tropical poor nations were beneficairies of the warming trend before us. So they owe us for having to creep around in caves wearing skins we had to fight to obtain while they were having a relaxing day at the beach on all that sand..


26 posted on 12/07/2005 9:56:20 AM PST by wildbill
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To: ncountylee

Friends of the Earth hasn't understood a word since Adam Smith's Wealth was published.


27 posted on 12/07/2005 9:57:53 AM PST by RightWhale (Not transferable -- Good only for this trip)
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To: ncountylee
Wealthy Nations Owe 'Climate Debt' to Poor, Greens Say

In other news, the poor countries owe "lackadaisical debt" to rich nations for forcing them to provide the technology, products and wealth for the world while they sit back and complain it not enough.

28 posted on 12/07/2005 10:53:47 AM PST by RJL
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To: ncountylee

Gee, you mean the hundreds of billions of dollars in aid we send today is not enough????


29 posted on 12/07/2005 10:54:50 AM PST by Always Right
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To: happyathome

"Second, the US has led the world in the development and application of anti-pollution devices and technologies. Think I read somewhere that, on our own, we're doing more to curb pollution and the creation of greenhouse gasses than most of the signatories to Kyoto."

BINGO! We have spent untold billions on cleaning up emissions in vehicles and industries. What these developing countries would save on not having to reinvent the wheel, or how much pollution they would save using vehicles produced with American know how, would more than offset any "balance" that the watermelons insist we owe them.

Let's give it to them free, on condition they take the Sierra Club, the Greens, ELF etc. as the price. Let these limousine losers do their thing in places where pollution is a real and visible problem, i.e. China or Africa.

Send us a postcard.


30 posted on 12/07/2005 11:27:48 AM PST by SpinyNorman (The ACLU empowers terrorists and criminals, weakens America, and degrades our society.)
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To: happyathome
Even in colonial times, the imperial powers put way more investment into their colonies than was ever extracted from those colonies.

I'm finding this one a little hard to swallow.

31 posted on 12/07/2005 11:44:14 AM PST by Great Caesars Ghost (History says our political structure and weak stomach will cause us to lose this war.)
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To: ctdonath2
Any studies on the atmospheric impact of daily cooking fires?

I've thought about the polluting effects of coal and wood fires, think of why the grimy old industrial cities looked the way they did, and the only answer I can come up with is there weren't so many people then. IF the globe is warming up and IF it is caused by man, I am convinced it's because the population has skyrocketed from around 3.5 billion people when I was born in 1959 to 6.4 billion now. What has allowed all those people to be alive? Yup, western technology and western agriculture. One day there is going to be a massive culling of the herd.

32 posted on 12/07/2005 11:48:05 AM PST by Great Caesars Ghost (History says our political structure and weak stomach will cause us to lose this war.)
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To: wildbill

Even the mighty technological west doesn't have the technology to know whether we're in a 10K cool spell or a 10K heat wave, and the 10K think is just conjecture anyway.

All of this is a lot like metabolism. You hear a lot of noise about it, and actually a lot is known *about* it, but I don't think anybody really understands it very well at all.


33 posted on 12/07/2005 11:52:10 AM PST by Great Caesars Ghost (History says our political structure and weak stomach will cause us to lose this war.)
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To: jackson29

A very rough ballpark comparison...

Each pound of wood produces about 2.59 pounds of CO2.
Each gallon of gasoline produces about 20 pounds of CO2.

The USA burns somewhere around 250,000,000 gallons gasoline per day, that making about 5 billion pounds of CO2 daily.
There are about 2.6 billion people using cooking fires daily; assuming a very low estimate of 1 pound of wood burned per person per day, that's close to 7 billion pounds of CO2 daily - reality several times that.

So daily,
Gasoline use in USA: 5B lbs CO2.
Cooking fires worldwide: 7B lbs CO2 minimum, 20-50B lbs more likely.

So ... some 300M people, admittedly relatively heavy producers per capita of CO2, is being beat up for their contribution to "global warming", while the rest of the world, producing several times as much CO2 total, is given a free pass. It's the cumulative totals that ultimately matter, not the per-capita (which even if they dropped their CO2 production to zero could only reduce total world cumulative CO2 production by a few percent).

I'll grant we should all strive to reduce our pollution output. ...so what's being done about 2.6 billion 3rd-world cooking fires daily?


34 posted on 12/07/2005 12:06:51 PM PST by ctdonath2
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To: Great Caesars Ghost

I shouldn't have been lazy and given you the referral. There is some really good stuff in there.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1535682/posts

Go to the source url


35 posted on 12/07/2005 1:59:03 PM PST by wildbill
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To: Great Caesars Ghost

I understand. I did too the first time I saw that idea posited. A historian (forget the name, I'll try to post it later) did some research on the governmental budgets of the imperial powers from the 1890's up to the Great War. Most of the commercial enterprises in European colonies (depending on the country) were either tolerated monopolies or gov't franchises, and this historian could actually track governmental and business investment vs. actual returns. Probably didn't get all the cash flows, but he thinks he got most of them. The Belgians came the closest to making Congo pay for itself, but only through incredibly brutal enslavement of the population that created an outcry so loud the King was forced to give up control of the colony to the Parliament. The French, Brits, Germans and Italians all spent more on infrastructure, construction, capital imports, etc. in their colonies than they got out of them through extraction of primary commodities. In fact, various British governments (especially Gladstone) opposed imperial expansion because it was so expensive (among other reasons). Bismark actually gave a speech in the Reichstag indicating that colonies were economic nonsense - only after he was kicked out of office did the Krauts get into the land grab big time.

Kind of runs counter to everything we've been told for years, doesn't it? Also pokes some sizeable holes in Lenin's theory of the First World War - that it was inevitable based on the desperate search by capitalists for new colonial markets. In 1914 Germany exported twice as much to Belgium as it did to all its colonies put together...


36 posted on 12/07/2005 10:14:00 PM PST by happyathome
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To: happyathome

Well, your thesis about the profitability of colonies would explain the bitterness of the Anglos about the White Man's Burden.


37 posted on 12/08/2005 9:27:48 AM PST by Great Caesars Ghost (History says our political structure and weak stomach will cause us to lose this war.)
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