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To: neverdem
lets review how abused the patriot act has been so far.

A New Jersey man accused with using a laser to beam pilots of two planes has been charged under the Patriot Act. The FBI has acknowledged that the incident does not have any relation to terrorism but called David Banach's actions "foolhardy and negligent."

"An analysis of the Justice Department's own list of terrorism prosecutions by The Washington Post shows that 39 people, not 200, as officials have implied, were convicted of crimes related to terrorism or national security."

The Post report said, "Most of the others were convicted of relatively minor crimes such as making false statements and violating immigration law and had nothing to do with terrorism."

Treasury Department figures reviewed by Newsweek show that this year the Feds have used the Patriot Act to conduct searches on 962 suspects, yielding "hits" on 6,397 financial records. Of those, two thirds (4,261) were in money-laundering cases with no terror connection. Among the agencies making requests, Newsweek has learned, were the IRS (which investigates tax fraud), the Postal Service (postal fraud) and the Secret Service counterfeiting). One request came from the Agriculture Department -- a case that apparently involved food stamp fraud.

Earlier this year, the U.S. Attorney for the Eastern District of Missouri filed an action against PayPal for violating the PATRIOT Act (18 U.S.C. 1960), based on PayPal's use in processing funds transfered for online gambling."

There are other troublesome aspects of The Patriot Act. Take, for example, Title III, aimed at money laundering. This became part of the Act at the insistence of Democrats that include Senators Daschle and Kerry. The Justice Department has used it to investigate corruption allegations against a Las Vegas strip club owner!

then there wasthe case that icant find a link to right now where the department of homeland security radied a mom and pop toy store in oregon and forced them to stop selling copys of knock off rubics cubes after the rubiks company called them even though thier patent ran out in 1995

22 posted on 12/08/2005 11:14:48 PM PST by freepatriot32 (Holding you head high & voting Libertarian is better then holding your nose and voting republican)
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To: freepatriot32; MNJohnnie; LibertarianInExile; traviskicks; DMZFrank; Squantos; Travis McGee; ...
IIRC, you should have pinged MNJohnnie for comment 22. I think he wanted just three examples.

In order to feel secure, are we throwing away our freedom?

"Please list for me three concrete real examples of where the Patriot act has been used to deprive US Citizens of their rights."

Thank you, freepatriot32. I have 1 bookmark for 2 reasons.

23 posted on 12/09/2005 12:07:55 AM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: freepatriot32

The Rubik's Cube case does appear to be a case of government (DHS) overreach, but not necessarily Patriot Act.

The original story is no longer up at Yahoo, but judging from this left wing blog post ( ) it began like this:

"ST. HELENS, Ore. - So far as she knows, Pufferbelly Toys owner Stephanie Cox hasn't been passing any state secrets to sinister foreign governments, or violating obscure clauses in the Patriot Act."

Which is how people made the Patriot Act connection -- the original writer threw it in.

It does seem like these feds were way out of line, but they weren't using the Patriot Act, except maybe as a smokescreen to create some of the Nacht Und Nebel vibe they're so fond of.

I'm glad that the border is so secure that ICE can go to St. Helens, Oregon to chase obscure trademark violations... right?


Criminal Number 18F

25 posted on 12/09/2005 4:31:46 PM PST by Criminal Number 18F
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