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Tragedy on the tarmac. ( sarcastic vanity )

Posted on 12/07/2005 5:26:19 PM PST by Bud Krieger

Today, we watched the aftermath of a tragic event on national television. A man, who appeared somewhat deranged and irrational, was shot and killed by a Federal Air Marshall.

The man, who claimed to possess a bomb , was threatening his fellow passengers and causing much chaos in the area. Even though a witness ( the mans wife ) claimed he did not have a bomb and gave reason for the mans actions, the man was still shot dead by a Federal Air Marshall anyway.

Now that it has been proven the man did not have a bomb, and presented no real or imminent threat to himself or the passengers around him, it should now be considered that the Air Marshall acted in a premature and unreasonable manner and he should be charged with murder. The Air Marshall should be dragged before a court of law and put on trial for his horrendous actions.

The Air Marshall had no right to shoot this man without "complete and convincing evidence" he possed a threat to the people in his general area. Sure, the deranged man may have acted in threatening manner and scared the people around him, he may have made allegations he had a weapon that could cause great harm, but is that any reason to justify shooting him the way they did? There was simply not enough concrete evidence at the time of the shooting to prove the man actually had a bomb. His death is a tradegy, and we all should take a long hard look at the Air Marshall who pulled the trigger.

This is definitely a job for the ACLU. They need to investigate this obviously dangerous Air Marshall and find out if he has ever shown any tendencies to act prematurely under pressure, or if he has any bias feelings toward deranged people. If it can be found the Air Marshall didn`t like people with Bipolar Disorders, that would be absolute proof he is guilty of murder , or in the least it is proof he acting improperly and should be removed from his job.

This country should rise up, and let their voices be heard that we will not tolerate this kind of barbarity anymore. NO MORE VIOLENCE, NO MORE VIOLENCE!!!

####For those of you who have not figured it out by now , this is sarcasm. But it is sarcasm with a point to be made. If you cannot see the point, my appologies. But I don`t think it is hard to figure out.###


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KEYWORDS: airmarshall; airplaneshooting; alpizar; bipolardisorder; flight924; gwot; liberallunacy; sarcasm
sarcasm.....
1 posted on 12/07/2005 5:26:20 PM PST by Bud Krieger
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To: Bud Krieger

Maybe this will make a terrorist think twice.


2 posted on 12/07/2005 5:28:17 PM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Giving power and money to Congress is like giving liquor and car keys to teenage boys. - P.J. O'Rour)
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To: Bud Krieger

I'm worried that it will be an excuse to get rid of air marshals.

Between this and the recent decision to let up on what kinds of items people can carry on flights (for example pocketknives), it looks like we're trying to systematically dismantle airline security for some reason I can't figure out.

Theoretically we are allowing more items to be carried on to flights "so security can focus more on detecting explosives". One would seem to be forgetting that the problem we were having on 9/11/2001 didn't have anything to do with carrying explosives onto planes.


3 posted on 12/07/2005 5:28:59 PM PST by mhx
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To: Bud Krieger

President Bush doesn't care abut deranged people.


4 posted on 12/07/2005 5:29:06 PM PST by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Bud Krieger

What if all terrorists claim that they are "bipolar?" Hmmmmmm. This could be a way out for Saddam, Osama and Zawqawi.


5 posted on 12/07/2005 5:29:42 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (It's no coincidence that the Democrat mascot is a jackass.)
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To: Bud Krieger
For those of you who have not figured it out by now , this is sarcasm.

The fact that it took me a while to figure out you were sarcastic is not because I am stupid. It is because your story is not all that far from reality.

I smell a lawsuit coming, and Howeird Dean is not far behind, arguing on behalf of deranged persons everywhere.

6 posted on 12/07/2005 5:33:18 PM PST by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Bud Krieger

If you cannot see the point, my appologies. But I don`t think it is hard to figure out.###

Close captioned for the sarcasticaly challenged.


7 posted on 12/07/2005 5:36:02 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Izzy Dunne

Oh, you absolutely know it. The ACLU is probably having meetings right now on how they will dismantle federal regulations put in place to protect airplane passengers. This could just be the case they were waiting for.

I heard the man may be Hispanic as well.


8 posted on 12/07/2005 5:43:57 PM PST by Bud Krieger ( Who is Bud Krieger?)
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To: Bud Krieger
I heard the man may be Hispanic as well.

If so, no matter that it was the Air Marshall that shot him, the family will sue the LAPD.

10 posted on 12/07/2005 5:45:43 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Vote Democrat--it's Easier than Getting a Job.)
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To: Izzy Dunne

Believe me ..this will result in investigations, pontificating, tut,tutting, hind sighting.

I am listening to the defense attorneys present all the questions that must be asked about this shooting when investigating.(We must consider that there are many bi polars flying and off their meds???).

Nancy Grace said if they do anything to the air marshals for this, she doesn't want to fly. You don't have time for a mental health evaluation of the perp while in hot pursuit.


11 posted on 12/07/2005 5:48:27 PM PST by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: Jesus Wore Birkenstocks

I question the intelligence of a person who signs up on 12/8/05 just to post an inane comment like that.


12 posted on 12/07/2005 5:49:13 PM PST by shortstop ( Win One For the Gipper)
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To: Izzy Dunne

I thought he didn't care about black people.
It's hard to keep track.


13 posted on 12/07/2005 5:50:04 PM PST by macrahanish #1
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To: Bud Krieger

This isn't sarcasm, this is gun control boilerplate.


14 posted on 12/07/2005 5:51:05 PM PST by thoughtomator (What'ya mean you formatted the cat!?)
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To: Jesus Wore Birkenstocks

He just wants to deprive us of the pleasure of seeing who doesn't bother to read it carefully and prematurely vikingkittenizes.


16 posted on 12/07/2005 5:53:57 PM PST by thoughtomator (What'ya mean you formatted the cat!?)
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To: Bud Krieger
That's not quite what Chris Matthews said tonight, but it's pretty damn close.

Next time, lose the sarcasm qualifier and just let it loose and see what happens........it will allow for a lot more interesting responses and we get to laugh at, and ridicule those, that thought you were serious.

You were joking, right?

17 posted on 12/07/2005 5:54:08 PM PST by hole_n_one
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To: Jesus Wore Birkenstocks

Get lost, troll.


18 posted on 12/07/2005 5:54:14 PM PST by darkangel82 (Never underestimate the stupidity of government.)
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To: Jesus Wore Birkenstocks

You've been here for years?
Maybe you should include a liar tag on your posts.
Begone,DUmmie.
Time for the kitties!!!


19 posted on 12/07/2005 5:54:28 PM PST by macrahanish #1
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To: Bud Krieger

I hope you are being sarcastic </sarcasm>


20 posted on 12/07/2005 5:55:36 PM PST by rface ("...the most schizoid freeper I've ever seen" - New Bloomfield, Missouri)
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To: Jesus Wore Birkenstocks

Somewhat catchy screen name there, but I think Birkenstocks are only around 300 years old. Jesus was here a whole lot earlier. Meow?


21 posted on 12/07/2005 5:56:30 PM PST by SelmaLee
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To: Jesus Wore Birkenstocks

I'll abuse you a little more before you disappear into ashes.

We are 50000000000000 times more intelligent than anyone who would give due credit to the likes of Sodamn Insane, Kim Chi Ill, Infidel Castrate, Yessir Imaf**k, Oscummy Bin Latrine, Pol Pothead, Stalin and the assorted other scumbags you worship.

As the great Ronaldus said: a liberal reads Marx and Lenin, a conservative understands Marx and Lenin.

Have fun with your butt buddies at Demonic Underworld or Daily Krap or wherever the hell you came from.


22 posted on 12/07/2005 5:56:47 PM PST by Killborn (Pres. Bush isn't Pres. Reagan. Then again, Pres. Regan isn't Pres. Washington. God bless them all.)
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To: Bud Krieger
Bush's fault...

ok, keeping in line with the theme of sarcasm, who lied to the marshal causing him to kill this perfectly innocent, harmless person?

23 posted on 12/07/2005 5:56:47 PM PST by evad
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To: Jesus Wore Birkenstocks
Dear JWB:

How does one join prior to the date of posting?

Troll.

24 posted on 12/07/2005 5:57:13 PM PST by Jumpmaster (Teddy is all wet.)
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To: Jesus Wore Birkenstocks

Zotted.


25 posted on 12/07/2005 5:58:33 PM PST by darkangel82 (Never underestimate the stupidity of government.)
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To: Bud Krieger
You know, I was thinking the same sarcastic thoughts today. "The Air Marhsalls lied when they said the man had a bomb."
26 posted on 12/07/2005 6:00:22 PM PST by Yo-Yo
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To: Bud Krieger

Lesson learned: Don't dare act irrational on a plane, dumbaxes.


27 posted on 12/07/2005 6:03:03 PM PST by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys-Reagan and Bush)
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To: Bud Krieger; Chieftain

Now....where was Cindy Sheehan when we needed her with her rolling pin to retaliate to terroists in this country . ( And yes, she said she would respond to any terrorist that came to our country with a "rolling pin")


28 posted on 12/07/2005 6:13:55 PM PST by Recovering Ex-hippie (If Iran has nukes, to hell with my diet!)
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To: Bud Krieger

The problem is that the insane lefties really think about things in exactly the way you have described. As sure as the sun will rise tomorrow, some moron liberal news-nut will use this incident as a "reason" why no one should be allowed to have guns on an airplane. For that matter, why should anyone be allowed to have a gun? Watch for it in the NY Times or on ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, etc.


29 posted on 12/07/2005 6:16:18 PM PST by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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To: Bud Krieger

never bring a bomb threat to a gun fight

Bump


30 posted on 12/07/2005 6:53:56 PM PST by vigilante2 (proud parent of a soldier)
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To: evad

The "liar" can only be the wife. She knew her husband didn`t take his medication, but let him get on the plane anyway. She probably knew it could lead to a bad situation but didn`t say anything to anyone. Why she didn`t tell anyone beforehand about his condition , and that he didn`t take his meds, could have prevented the whole thing.

I really don`t mean to be cruel to this mans family at a terrible time like this, but the parallels are just too strange to ignore.


31 posted on 12/07/2005 7:09:18 PM PST by Bud Krieger ( Who is Bud Krieger?)
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To: Yo-Yo

I didn`t think about that, the Air Marshall lied..... That is a twist I didn`t see. Hmmmmmmm.


32 posted on 12/07/2005 7:17:51 PM PST by Bud Krieger ( Who is Bud Krieger?)
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To: Bud Krieger
The man, who claimed to possess a bomb

The man lied, thus he died.

33 posted on 12/07/2005 8:25:17 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Mesocons for Rice '08)
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To: Bud Krieger
I think that air marshals all across the country are watching how this plays out very closely. Even though it was a tragedy the Marshal acted on the side of the public's safety, I hope internal affairs and the courts see it that way.

The terrorists will also be going to school on this case.
34 posted on 12/07/2005 8:37:06 PM PST by oldbrowser (The U.S. Senate is a quagmire.)
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To: Bud Krieger

The marshalls had no way of knowing that the woman WAS the man's wife.

And even if she was, she could have been a fellow accomplice.


35 posted on 12/08/2005 3:20:24 AM PST by tkathy (Ban the headscarf. (All religious headdress). The effect will creat a huge domino effect..)
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To: Bud Krieger

Bud - be honest - you're the script writer for the MSM.


36 posted on 12/08/2005 3:27:58 AM PST by An.American.Expatriate (Here's my strategy on the War against Terrorism: We win, they lose. - with apologies to R.R.)
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To: Bud Krieger
The Air Marshall had no right to shoot this man without "complete and convincing evidence" he possed a threat to the people in his general area.

That skank randi rhodes is going on about how this is another conservative right-wing attack on everyone else. She says "if they go to court, this air marshall is in deep doo doo! What are we now going to shoot anyone that is upset in the air?" When will Airhead America go off the air - not soon enough? Wonder why this country is divided? I can give you a hint......

37 posted on 12/08/2005 6:40:58 PM PST by p23185 (Why isn't attempting to take down a sitting Pres & his Admin considered Sedition?)
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To: p23185

Its not just Air America,... Michael Savage has a bit to say about it as well.



38 posted on 12/08/2005 8:12:18 PM PST by Bud Krieger
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To: Bud Krieger

Sarcasm? I thought you'd lifted a post from DU...or the editoral page.


39 posted on 12/08/2005 9:09:30 PM PST by Old_Mil (Vive la Frog!)
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To: Bud Krieger
Its not just Air America,... Michael Savage has a bit to say about it as well.

And what he said was far more insightful than all the other talk-show hosts put together on this issue, and 95% of the FReepers; including everybody who's posted on this thread.

40 posted on 12/08/2005 9:21:26 PM PST by MRMEAN (Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of congress;but I repeat myself. Mark Twain)
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To: Izzy Dunne
" I smell a lawsuit coming, and Howeird Dean is not far behind, arguing on behalf of deranged persons everywhere."

Deranged is pejorative. The man was mentally ill. His wife was a missionary. Maybe he was doing missionary work as well.

So if you're mentally ill and unarmed you should die?

He had a bad moment in an unfortunate situation. He was unarmed. When he attempted to reach into his backpack he could have been rushed and tackled.

The time that it took for the Marshall's to pull their guns would have been better spent bringing the guy down with a body slam.

Flame away.
41 posted on 12/08/2005 9:23:17 PM PST by beaver fever
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To: beaver fever

It is easy to play arm chair quarterback after the fact.

This was part of the point in my post.

Just as you probably did not take into account that when I wrote this little piece , information on this event was relatively spotty.

Do I feel bad for the man and his family? You bet I do. This was a tradegy, and what is happening now is a tradegy. People are using this mans death as a political tool to move their agenda forward.

So how do we avoid this type of event in the future?

How about anyone with any kind of mental problems or disorders should be required to present an airline with some medical history on their condition , and/or verify they have taken their medication , before boarding a flight. Although there will still be people who ignore any requirements like this , so it wouldn`t be fail-safe by any means.

If they did enact a requirement like this, the ACLU would fight it tooth and nail as well.

How about getting rid of all Air Marshals? But that isn`t going to happen either because people wouldn`t want to fly knowing they had no protection from a hijacker or terrorist.

So whats your solution? I don`t think I read that anywhere in your post.

I guess you also didn`t hear that when the man reached for his backpack the Air Marshal`s guns came out. Would you have rushed the guy with a gun pointed at him?

Or do you think the Air Marshal`s should have rushed him, probably going against what they were trained to do.

Its a tough deal, the man is dead. But it takes these kinds of things usually to change policy. But I don`t think the Air Marshal should be called a criminal as I have heard some do already in the media.

I was kind of joking when I wrote this, but it seems my feelings of what would happen were right.





42 posted on 12/08/2005 10:17:31 PM PST by Bud Krieger
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To: Bud Krieger
"So whats your solution? I don`t think I read that anywhere in your post."

I don't think there is a solution. My only problem is that anyone who exhibits unusual behavior gets a gun pulled on them.

Would the same thing happen if an Autistic person did something weird while boarding a plane? This case tends to answer that question in the affirmative.

Terrorists do their best to dray attention AWAY from themselves.
43 posted on 12/08/2005 10:22:51 PM PST by beaver fever
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To: beaver fever
So if you're mentally ill and unarmed you should die?

Oh, please - nobody said any such thing and you know it.

But if you run screaming down the jet ramp talking about a bomb in your bag, you fail to stop when asked by a LEO, and then reach into your bag, yes, you should at least get shot.

Is it really that complicated?

44 posted on 12/09/2005 5:17:04 AM PST by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: beaver fever
Terrorists do their best to draw attention AWAY from themselves.

Until it's time to pull the trigger, when they don't care anymore.

45 posted on 12/09/2005 5:19:37 AM PST by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Izzy Dunne

" Oh, please - nobody said any such thing and you know it."

Sorry but I tend to be a little sentimental.


46 posted on 12/09/2005 2:34:30 PM PST by beaver fever
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To: MRMEAN

"And what he said was far more insightful than all the other talk-show hosts...."

He called the shooting an "execution" today.

I like Michael Savage, I listen to him all the time , but I think he is pushing this one a bit too far.

Personally, I wouldn`t call it that myself. Unfortunate yes, an execution?.... No way.


47 posted on 12/09/2005 8:40:59 PM PST by Bud Krieger
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To: beaver fever

Quote : "I don't think there is a solution. My only problem is that anyone who exhibits unusual behavior gets a gun pulled on them."

I don`t know when the guns were pulled, it may have been late into the incident. The best I have heard , the guns were pulled when the man went for his bag.

I am sure these Marshal`s are well trained and followed procedures for an incident like this. Time will tell if this was the case. Maybe they will need to make some changes after its all said and done.

Quote : "Would the same thing happen if an Autistic person did something weird while boarding a plane? This case tends to answer that question in the affirmative."

This is why I think people with medical conditions that may result in odd behavior should have to provide the airline with some kind of information about their condition. But the ACLU will no doubt try to squash that in the courts.

The airlines have cracked down on the people boarding planes who appear intoxicated because of previous incidences with drunks on planes. Maybe this needs to be looked into as well with mental health conditions?

The way I see it, this is a freak incident, very rare , and may even happen again one day. Its just going to be one of those risks people are going to have to put up with to keep airlines safe.

I don`t see a viable solution either.....




48 posted on 12/09/2005 8:57:05 PM PST by Bud Krieger
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To: Bud Krieger

The best advice is that if you have a relative with a mental illness who looks like they are going to have an episode, skip the flight until they stabilize.

Better to stay in a hotel for the night than blow up in an airline terminal.


49 posted on 12/09/2005 9:38:11 PM PST by beaver fever
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To: beaver fever

"The best advice is that if you have a relative with a mental illness who looks like they are going to have an episode, skip the flight until they stabilize."

This is exactly what happened in this case from the way it looks. The wife knew , from what has been stated in the MSM , the man didn`t take his medication but let him get on the flight anyway. She must feel horrible about it now.

And what if you are traveling alone and have a disorder like this?

Relying on people to do the right thing never works.

I bet they change regulations on how Air Marshal`s deal with this type of situation but don`t release this information to the public.

This is the only solution I can think of that would help prevent an incident like this from occuring in the future and would not give terrorists clues on how to use the policy change to their advantage.


50 posted on 12/09/2005 10:08:10 PM PST by Bud Krieger
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