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Global Warming Blues
Fox News ^ | December 01, 2005 | Steven Milloy

Posted on 12/07/2005 8:46:42 PM PST by george76

The 11th annual meeting of global warming enthusiasts in Montreal isn’t turning out to be a very happy event.

Even though this is the first opportunity for the burgeoning global climate bureaucracy to celebrate the full implementation of the Kyoto Protocol, the realities of science, economics and politics are raining on its parade.

First, a new study published this week in the journal Nature turns global warming alarmism on its head.

British researchers reported that the ocean current responsible for the tropical winds that warm Europe’s climate has decreased by an estimated 30 percent since 1957.

The headline of the New Scientist report (Nov. 30) on the study nicely captured its import, “Failing ocean current raises fear of mini ice age.”

It’s cooling. It’s warming. It’s disaster. It’s fantasy.

Whatever “it” is, it can’t be comforting to the Kyoto believers in Montreal who seem to think they know for certain whether and how human activity impacts global climate.

Finally, the Kyoto protocol itself has been a colossal flop.

European signatories to the treaty aren’t meeting their current emissions reduction targets, aren’t likely to in the future, and are looking for ways out of their commitments.

Even Kyoto’s knight-in-shining armor, UK prime minister Tony Blair, in what has been dubbed the “Blair Switch,” has embraced the latter two points.

In September, Blair announced that he had given up on climate change treaties because, “The truth is, no country is going to cut its growth or consumption substantially in light of a long-term environmental problem.”

Especially if that “problem,” so far as we can tell after several decades and many billions of dollars of research, is entirely unproven.

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TOPICS: Canada; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Germany; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Alabama; US: District of Columbia; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: bush; bush43; g76; iceage; miniiceage

1 posted on 12/07/2005 8:46:43 PM PST by george76
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To: george76

Its -7 in Denver, thank GOD for global warming, without it it might be -7 and a half


2 posted on 12/07/2005 8:49:08 PM PST by bybybill (GOD help us if the Rats win)
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To: george76

3 posted on 12/07/2005 8:49:43 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

Its hot some where, this proves global warming, and BTW the moon is going to crash into the earth and the sun will blow up. I bet its all Bush's fault.


4 posted on 12/07/2005 8:51:06 PM PST by chaos_5
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To: george76

Snow showers tomorrow evening here in North Alabama.


5 posted on 12/07/2005 8:58:27 PM PST by gov_bean_ counter (It is easy to call for a pi$$ing contest when you aren't going to be in the line of fire.)
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To: chaos_5
Don't you know Bush caused the asteroid to hit the Earth 60 million years ago and kill the Dinosaurs so he could have the oil???!!??!?!?

That's it.. "No Dino's Blood for Oil!!!!""

(/heavy sarcasm)

Honestly, real science has told the enviornazis that 'global warming' is a myth. The truth is, the Earth is governed by forces Humans barely understand and definitely can't control. Massive hurricane season Bush's fault? Does President Bush control solar flare activities that blast superheated matter past Mercury? Hmmm... I don't think so. Does Bush tell China and North Korea to produce so much pollution that one can "see" the air as it hits the western South Korean shoreline??? Oh, yeah, Kyoto doesn't cover THEM...

Environazis remind my of the "It" Ebay commercial: Whatever "It" is you will find the enviros preaching doom and gloom about it and how it is America's fault.

Amazing, the modern left loves these wackos who base their "thought" on nothing but ridicules and laments the Christians who point to the correlation of events shown in the Bible on Revelations.... Yet the Bible has been researched heavily and withstood hundreds of years of "scholarly" attack...
6 posted on 12/07/2005 9:05:46 PM PST by M1Tanker (Proven Daily: Modern "progressive" liberalism is just National Socialism without the "twisted cross")
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To: george76

MIAMI (Reuters) - Tropical Storm Epsilon strengthened into a hurricane for the second time in two days on Sunday, perplexing U.S. hurricane researchers who had expected it to steadily weaken over cool Atlantic waters...

They can't predict what a storm will do a few days in the future...
But of course this article (at Yahoo)ended with the mandatory mention of Global Warming as possibly responsible for the increased number of storms seen this year.


7 posted on 12/07/2005 9:14:21 PM PST by syncked
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To: george76

Please, let's have some global warming, pretty please. I'm sick of freezing my butt off already and it's only DECEMBER!
AAAARRRRGGGGHHHH!!!!!!


8 posted on 12/07/2005 9:21:55 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: syncked
This is what the radical left thinks...

Bush's fault...


9 posted on 12/07/2005 9:25:58 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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I love it when liberal Communists fly around in private jets, drive around in limos, eat steak and lobster all while complaining that no one else is doing anything for the poor.

Meanwhile at this meeting they're all discussing how Kyoto doesn't apply to them.


10 posted on 12/07/2005 11:36:52 PM PST by Tzimisce
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To: george76
One can allow for a Fox commentator being parti pris, but for him to cite the recent evidence of Gulf Stream slowing, and the probable consequent cooling of the West European climate, as a counter to global warming theory is a wee bit naughty and/or lazy. He should have known (probably does) that this effect has been predicted for a couple of decades by global warming theorists as a result of arctic ice melting. Lazy rhetoric on the sceptical side of the argument is just as tiresome, I find, as it is on the other side.
11 posted on 12/08/2005 1:26:26 AM PST by Winniesboy
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To: Winniesboy

Agreed, this is exceptionally shoddy journalism.

This part is also inaccurate:

"In September, Blair announced that he had given up on climate change treaties"

Blair did not announce at all that he had 'given up' on climate change treaties, indeed that speech was immediately followed by the dispatch of his chief scientific advisor to Australia to try to encourage them to sign up to Kyoto and to express the hope that the US would do likewise.


12 posted on 12/08/2005 2:39:17 AM PST by Canard
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To: george76

The liberal/socialist 'globbal warmers' are not going to let this die a quick death. I believe we will continue to see a steady (planned) release of 'new studies' every month or so trying to revive it. Algore, for one, has put all his eggs in that basket.


13 posted on 12/08/2005 4:44:29 AM PST by capt. norm (Beware of the "White-Flag Democrats"...we all know who they are.)
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To: george76

Is it my ignorance of how this works, but if the tropical current that keeps Europe and Great Britain supposedly warm has decreased 30%, and further reduction could mean a mini ice age in that region, then shouldn't the 30% reduction have already began to cool the region. To my knowledge, Europe and GB have not recorded an overall cooling to date.


15 posted on 12/08/2005 1:26:57 PM PST by Hayzo
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To: Tommy-the-pissed-off-Brit

Global Warming is crap. It is in the 30's some mornings here in southern Louisiana. Where's El Nino when you need her or him or 'it' or whatever.


16 posted on 12/08/2005 1:31:42 PM PST by confederate_infidel (Tunafish: tastes like <insert endangered animal here>)
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To: M1Tanker
Don't you know Bush caused the asteroid to hit the Earth 60 million years ago and kill the Dinosaurs so he could have the oil???!!??!?!?

That's it.. "No Dino's Blood for Oil!!!!""


ROFLMAO!!! Or was it that he/Halliburton had a time machine to go back and cause it???
17 posted on 12/08/2005 2:07:58 PM PST by proud_yank (Experience Tolerance: tell a liberal you own guns and drive an SUV!)
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To: george76

It’s cooling. It’s warming. It’s disaster. It’s fantasy.

And the Clown-prince of Global warming Al Gore said....

"Everything thats Up is down and everything thats down is Up!


18 posted on 12/08/2005 4:49:19 PM PST by LtKerst (Lt Kerst)
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To: george76
European signatories to the treaty aren’t meeting their current emissions reduction targets, aren’t likely to in the future, and are looking for ways out of their commitments.

Then why did they sign on to it then? Are they THAT incompetent? I guess so.....

19 posted on 12/08/2005 4:52:39 PM PST by Brett66 (Where government advances – and it advances relentlessly – freedom is imperiled -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: Winniesboy

A while back I was watching a TV "Special" about "The Real Noah". Not quite the guy I read about in the Bible of course. But there was an interesting statement: That "the climate at that time was much hotter than it is now." (That is a fairly accurate paraphasal -- it's been a few months since I watched the show, so I won't claim it's word for word.) I just wonder how that little tidbit fits in...

Also, I believe there have been more than one "Little Ice Ages" since the last major Ice Age. Were these little ones limited to Europe? Do we have a clue what triggered them? (It was Bush, right?) Could we even now be simply resuming a recovery from the last one? (I use the word "recovery" with some reservation -- it sort of implies a "normal" and I don't think you can really define "normal" for a global roller coaster observed over geologic time periods.)

Would someone please tell me why, based on the last few billion years, I should expect the climate to be stable? Just because it's convenient for me? Seems to me Mother Nature never takes long to get back to doing her best to scramble the best laid plans of man. (Or Dinosaurs.)

Sorry if any of these are dumb questions. Never have enough time to follow stuff any more...


20 posted on 12/08/2005 4:56:05 PM PST by Paul R. (June 8, 1966: Tornado removed most of our house, glad we had a basement!)
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To: Paul R.
 
 
 

Ice cores recovered from Greenland in the 1970s show that Europe's climate varied hugely during the last ice age, especially in the period between 70,000 and 20,000 years ago. Cold glacial periods were punctuated by warmer times, and the average temperature could rise and fall several degrees within a decade or so.

The earliest modern humans, the Aurignacian people, who appeared around 40,000 years ago, could not cope with the glacial cold either. They retreated south until 25,000 years ago when they were reduced to a few refuges, such as southwest France and the shores of the Black Sea.

The Gravettians appeared in eastern Europe 29,000 to 30,000 years ago complete with flash new tools, such as javelin-like throwing spears and fishing nets, which allowed them to catch a greater range of prey.

They also had clothing to keep the cold out, such as sewn furs and woven textiles, and possibly more specialised social structures. Their ability to tough out the colder climes dominating Europe 18,000 to 25,000 years ago revitalised the human population.

The Neanderthals, however, without either new blood or new technology, found it impossible to survive and died out, probably around 28,000 years ago.

http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99994586

Or the newly arriving humans called the Gravettians had SUV's as a part of their technology thus stopping the Ice Age in its tracks and warming up the world.


21 posted on 12/08/2005 5:24:33 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: Paul R.
I use the word "recovery" with some reservation -- it sort of implies a "normal" and I don't think you can really define "normal" for a global roller coaster observed over geologic time periods.

You're exactly right, although I think a lefty would define "normal weather" as the average temperature while Bill Clinton was in office. "Global Warming" started in January of 2001.

22 posted on 12/08/2005 7:57:15 PM PST by randog (What the....?!)
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