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Suspend executions -- for now
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | 12/8/5 | Joan Ryan

Posted on 12/08/2005 10:22:34 AM PST by SmithL

Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger should not grant clemency to death row inmate Stanley Tookie Williams.

Nor should he deny it.

The governor should shelve the clemency hearing scheduled for today. He should call a press conference instead. He should say that in listening to the debate, he has come to understand that the challenge before him is not to parse the singular circumstances of one man's life. It is to tackle the much larger and more relevant issue that has been pushed to the surface by the Tookie Williams case: the public's conflicted feelings and growing questions about the death penalty itself.

Then Schwarzenegger should announce a moratorium on all executions in California, following in the footsteps of another law-and-order Republican governor, former Gov. George Ryan of Illinois.

This not only is the thoughtful, prudent course of action, given what we know now about flaws in the judicial system, but it has the added advantage of turning a radioactive situation for Schwarzenegger into a defining moment. He can stake his claim as a bold, courageous leader without, in actuality, taking much of a political risk: Most Californians favor a moratorium.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: deathpenalty; frymumia; frytookie; georgeryan; tookie
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The latest cup-o-fluff from Airhead Ryan.
1 posted on 12/08/2005 10:22:35 AM PST by SmithL
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To: SmithL

Just kill this piece of filth.


2 posted on 12/08/2005 10:23:43 AM PST by Vaquero ("An armed society is a polite society" R. A. Heinlein)
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To: SmithL

I would agree to a point, maybe suspend death by injection; I would pay to see him hang or a firing squad though.


3 posted on 12/08/2005 10:24:37 AM PST by SF Republican
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To: SmithL
My only "growing question about the death penalty" is why it takes so damned long to kill off these vermin once convicted and sentenced.

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

4 posted on 12/08/2005 10:25:05 AM PST by Joe Brower (The Constitution defines Conservatism. *NRA*)
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To: SmithL

Unborn babies are routinely executed without so much as a hearing before a judge. I would say that the left is very comfortable with executions. But only if they are completely innocent of any crime.


5 posted on 12/08/2005 10:25:50 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: SmithL
the challenge before him is not to parse the singular circumstances of one man's life

Correct! Let's talk about the 4 innocent people this POS murdered.

6 posted on 12/08/2005 10:26:28 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: SmithL

This is what happens when you wait 25 years before carrying out your death penalties. Too few people care what happened way back then, nobody remembers, and old people can do lots of "good" things to make it look like they should be granted clemency.

Carry out the sentence within 10 years, you don't have this problem.


7 posted on 12/08/2005 10:26:31 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: SmithL
Can we do it after Tookie is offed?
8 posted on 12/08/2005 10:26:52 AM PST by CaptRon (Pedecaris alive or Raisuli dead)
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To: Joe Brower
"My only "growing question about the death penalty" is why it takes so damned long to kill off these vermin once convicted and sentenced."

Agreed. The fellow sentenced last week for killing Carla Bruscia should have been taken out back immediately, had a bag placed over his head, and been hung. Dispatch him quickly and save the taxpayer some money.

9 posted on 12/08/2005 10:27:57 AM PST by tom h
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To: SmithL

16,000 murders a year

1,000 executions since the death penalty was "legalized".

But executions are the problem.


10 posted on 12/08/2005 10:28:06 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: SmithL

I think we should pass a new law that says anyone on death row who writes childrens' books automatically gets a reprieve because what could be more important than keeping alive authors of childrens' books? It's for the chirren doncha know?


11 posted on 12/08/2005 10:29:04 AM PST by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten (Is your problem ignorance or apathy? I don't know and I don't care.)
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To: SmithL
following in the footsteps of another law-and-order Republican governor, former Gov. George Ryan of Illinois.

Law and order? Ryan was one of the most corrupt politicians in the history of Illinois (and that's saying something!).

12 posted on 12/08/2005 10:30:40 AM PST by denydenydeny ("As a Muslim of course I am a terrorist"--Sheikh Omar Brooks, quoted in the London Times 8/7/05)
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To: SmithL

Nonsense. Time for a year end clearance, instead.


13 posted on 12/08/2005 10:30:51 AM PST by the gillman@blacklagoon.com ( Tranzis won't let you vote but they will let you pay.)
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To: SmithL
"Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger should announce a moratorium on all executions in California ... the more relevant issue that has been pushed to the surface by the Tookie Williams case -- the public's conflicted feelings and growing questions about the death penalty itself."

Only in San Francisco can someone say that "everyone I know has doubts about the death penalty." If she left the confines of Baghdad-by-the-Bay she would find thousands of people who aren't conflicted and want to fry the b-stard.

14 posted on 12/08/2005 10:31:04 AM PST by tom h
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To: SmithL

Another soft on crime liberal.


15 posted on 12/08/2005 10:31:24 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: SmithL

Oh, I dunno...suspension is starting to sound like a good idea...

16 posted on 12/08/2005 10:33:12 AM PST by Billthedrill
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To: SmithL

You know the right thing to do Arnie.


17 posted on 12/08/2005 10:34:05 AM PST by cubreporter (I trust Rush. He has done more for this country than anyone will ever know. He's A++)
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To: SmithL

why do people care so much about thie quadruple murderer? i looked at the list of victims and it looks like he wiped out and entire asian family.


18 posted on 12/08/2005 10:34:06 AM PST by minus_273
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To: Billthedrill

Perfect idea


19 posted on 12/08/2005 10:34:25 AM PST by GregoTX (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.)
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To: SmithL
the public's conflicted feelings and growing questions about the death penalty...

Note the cheap rhetorical trick by this professional weeper. There are no "conflicted feelings" or "growing questions" from the public regarding the death penalty. Executing murderers has solid public support and has for a long time.

20 posted on 12/08/2005 10:35:31 AM PST by Semi Civil Servant
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To: SmithL

Why not just deny Tookie food and water? The courts ruled that starvation was not a cruel way to die. Starvation is natural. How much violence did Terri S. cause?


21 posted on 12/08/2005 10:35:36 AM PST by BarbM
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To: SmithL

Arnold should publically release the crime scene photos from Tookie's trial and let the public decide whether or not to execute a POS that would commit such crimes.


22 posted on 12/08/2005 10:36:26 AM PST by The Great RJ ("Mir wölle bleiwen wat mir sin" or "We want to remain what we are." ..Luxembourg motto)
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To: SmithL

Airhead Joan Must be related to George Ryan.


23 posted on 12/08/2005 10:36:48 AM PST by dinoparty (In the beginning was the Word)
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To: SF Republican

Pursuant to California law, lethal injection is the method of execution. The special guest at the party, however, has the right to choose the gas chamber.


24 posted on 12/08/2005 10:36:56 AM PST by doug from upland (The troops will come home when the mission is complete)
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To: SmithL

From a columnist in the city that just passed a handgun ban.....no thanks. The San Francisco Chronicle should change it's name to The Bay City Criminal Advocate. Or better yet, let's parole all of those on death row into the residence and custody of Ms. Ryan.


25 posted on 12/08/2005 10:39:43 AM PST by Hat-Trick (Do you trust a government that cannot trust you with guns?)
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To: SmithL

Idiot.

The law says that we have Capital Punishment in California... Don't like it? Then qualify a ballot initiative and put the question on the ballot for the next election... until then, the law is the law.


26 posted on 12/08/2005 10:44:07 AM PST by So Cal Rocket (Proud Member: Internet Pajama Wearers for Truth)
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To: SmithL
This cold blooded, racist killer must not be allowed to continually flourish behind bars, lifting weights and "writing" books. If that is permitted then no one in this state will be safe from the next hopped up gang banger who wants to kill for a thrill.
27 posted on 12/08/2005 10:55:52 AM PST by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: SF Republican

hey, now there's an idea!!!! charge admission to his death, and send the money to the familie's that were wronged!!!


28 posted on 12/08/2005 11:06:54 AM PST by joe fonebone (Well, since there's no other place around the place, ah reckon this must be the place..ah reckon!)
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To: BarbM

I have already said this, over and over again.....welcome to free republic


29 posted on 12/08/2005 11:08:27 AM PST by joe fonebone (Well, since there's no other place around the place, ah reckon this must be the place..ah reckon!)
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To: joe fonebone

That's such a cute suggestion ms ryan. are you getting high fives from the hippies in the newsroom? count your paychecks. fluff up your resume. you are a dying breed.


30 posted on 12/08/2005 11:13:49 AM PST by samadams2000 (Nothing fills the void of a passing hurricane better than government)
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To: SmithL

"the public's conflicted feelings and growing questions about the death penalty itself"

Someone tell "MIZ" Ryan that we put the damn thing on the ballot back in 1974, voted it in, and then kicked out the California Supreme Court chief who never met a convicted murderer she didn't like.

The public's not "conflicted" about the death penalty in California, you ignorant twit -- they just don't agree with you. Here's $5 - buy yourself a clue.


31 posted on 12/08/2005 11:17:34 AM PST by Right Cal Gal (Armed, Female and Southern!)
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To: SmithL; BillyBoy
Then Schwarzenegger should announce a moratorium on all executions in California, following in the footsteps of another law-and-order Republican governor, former Gov. George Ryan of Illinois.

Uh, Ryan the RINO was indicted, not what I would call a "law and order" Republican.

32 posted on 12/08/2005 11:19:48 AM PST by Clemenza (Free minds, Free markets, Free society)
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To: SmithL

Maybe Ryan would have more success getting THUGS to suspend all murders/rapes and other crimes of violence INSTEAD.

Probably not. Until then, Ryan...STFU and let em fry.


33 posted on 12/08/2005 11:20:19 AM PST by goresalooza (Nurses Rock!)
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To: SmithL

Fry him, needle him, hang him, whatever it takes to put us out of his misery!


34 posted on 12/08/2005 11:27:07 AM PST by Redbob
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To: SmithL

I say SPEED 'EM UP!


35 posted on 12/08/2005 11:50:45 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: SF Republican

Well, how about death by suspension [and not necessarily by the neck, either]?


36 posted on 12/08/2005 12:01:21 PM PST by GSlob
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To: SmithL

We should suspend Tookie. Unfortunately, we use legal injection in this State.


37 posted on 12/08/2005 12:02:59 PM PST by Redcloak (We'll raise up our glasses against evil forces singin' "whiskey for my men and beer for my horses!")
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To: SmithL

" the public's conflicted feelings and growing questions about the death penalty itself."

The only question I have about the death penalty is why does it take so long to carry out?


38 posted on 12/08/2005 12:06:08 PM PST by Veritas et equitas ad Votum (If the Constitution "lives and breathes", it dies.)
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To: SmithL

my latest bumpersticker:Tuck Fookie


39 posted on 12/08/2005 12:56:38 PM PST by Rakkasan1 (Peace de Resistance! Viva la Paper towels!)
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To: SmithL
What and idiot this woman is!

Then Schwarzenegger should announce a moratorium on all executions in California, following in the footsteps of another law-and-order Republican governor, former Gov. George Ryan of Illinois.

Gov. Ryan did the right thing because it was very clear that the justice system in IL was broken (50% of those on death row could be exonerated by DNA evidence). Nothing has been shown to be this bad in CA. And Tookie is a monster.

40 posted on 12/08/2005 1:03:23 PM PST by Clock King ("How will it end?" - Emperor; "In Fire." - Kosh)
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To: SmithL
What conflicted feelings about the death penalty? Tookie's only getting this coverage because of the color of his skin. Next month the white guy won't get anyone to say "boo" or him. The very same thing happened with the prior two death sentences in Arnold's term: the black got huge press coverage, Mike Farrell and the usual race hustlers beating the bushes. The white guy? Nada, even from Mike Farrell and Bianca Jagger.

Arnold needs to end this charade and deny clemency.

41 posted on 12/08/2005 1:16:45 PM PST by newzjunkey (FOUR-time murderer & Crips gang-founder Tookie Williams *must* be put to death as sentenced)
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To: All; SJSAMPLE
I say SPEED 'EM UP!

Since 1977 only 9 have been put to death here in California. A tenth was put to death but that was in Mo. where he also had a death sentence. There are over 700 on death row right now in California. Tookie will be the third during Arnold's tenure with a fourth due in January.

42 posted on 12/08/2005 1:19:18 PM PST by newzjunkey (FOUR-time murderer & Crips gang-founder Tookie Williams *must* be put to death as sentenced)
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To: All
I have mix feelings about Arnold... I maybe wrong but I think he will give in to the media's pressure and pardon his life.

But if he has the ba**s to do what is right, well, I guess, I would be truly amazed...

43 posted on 12/08/2005 1:20:36 PM PST by ElPatriota (Let's not forget we are all still friends despite our differences :))
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To: Billthedrill

LOL.


44 posted on 12/08/2005 1:20:42 PM PST by newzjunkey (FOUR-time murderer & Crips gang-founder Tookie Williams *must* be put to death as sentenced)
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To: BarbM
Why not just deny Tookie food and water?

Works for me.

45 posted on 12/08/2005 1:22:07 PM PST by dagnabbit (Vicente Fox's opening line at the Mexico-USA summit meeting: "Bring out the Gimp!")
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To: SmithL

The "thoughtful, prudent " course of action would be to strap him in and load him up. "Justice delayed is justice denied."


46 posted on 12/08/2005 1:25:59 PM PST by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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To: Joe Brower
My only "growing question about the death penalty" is why it takes so damned long to kill off these vermin once convicted and sentenced.

Amen!

47 posted on 12/08/2005 1:32:54 PM PST by calcowgirl
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To: CharlesWayneCT

that's what i've heard from alot of people. "10 years ago i'd have said hang him, but look at all he's done now."
who cares. glad he did something positive while waiting to die, hopefully both his reformation and execution will stop others from following his path. i pray he's found God and has a chance at heaven. but he needs to die.
his death will deter 1,000's more than his book ever could, his clemency will encourage joining for young gangsters will no longer have to fear the death penalty if they are caught.


48 posted on 12/08/2005 1:34:21 PM PST by absolootezer0 ("My God, why have you forsaken us.. no wait, its the liberals that have forsaken you... my bad")
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To: Clock King
>> Gov. Ryan did the right thing because it was very clear that the justice system in IL was broken (50% of those on death row could be exonerated by DNA evidence). <<

Out of the last eight governors elected in Ilinois, four have been indicted (including ol' George Ryan himself). That means only 50% haven't been charged with criminal wrongdoing. Going by George Ryan's own rules, the system is "Broken" and we must recall Governor Blagojevich immediately and put a "moritorum" on electing Governors for the foreseeable future. ;-)

49 posted on 12/08/2005 7:21:15 PM PST by BillyBoy (Find out the TRUTH about the Chicago Democrat Machine's "Best Friend" in the GOP... www.nolahood.com)
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To: Clemenza; calcowgirl; FairOpinion
>> following in the footsteps of another law-and-order Republican governor, former Gov. George Ryan of Illinois. <<

Ah yes, RINO Lyin' Ryan. That would be the same "law and order" George Ryan who's currently on trial for criminal wrongdoing and about to be locked up for handing out driver's licenses for the bribes. The same George Ryan who's favorite admirer is Fidel Castro. The same George Ryan who's "Illinois FIRST" tax and spend scheme took Illinois from a $2 billion surplus to a massive defecit. The same George Ryan who had a 20% "approval" rating when he left office, and the same George Ryan who saw two out of four of his "innocent" murderers get arrested and go BACK TO PRISON for MORE crimes after he pardoned them.

Yeah, Arnie should "follow in the footsteps" of that guy. Great role model if he'd like his approval ratings to plummet so low that he'd make Bob Taft look popular. And if he follows George Ryan's "legacy" of breaking EVERY campaign promise, he'll be right up there with Jimmy Carter in the legacy department.

On the other hand, they'd be a nice irony if the Arnoldbots got EXACTLY the kind of RINO "leadership" we got in Illinois after they promised Arnold would "deliver" their state. Check it out how much our RINO "delivered"

Illinois BEFORE George Ryan's criminal reign:

U.S. SENATORS
Dick Durbin (D)
Peter Fitzgerald (R)

GOVERNOR: Jim Edgar (R)
LT. GOVERNOR: Bob Kustra (R)
SECRETARY OF STATE: Jesse White (D)
ATTORNEY GENERAL: Jim Ryan (R)
TREASURER: Judy Barr Topinka (RINO)
CONTROLLER: Dan Hynes (D)

GENERAL ASSEMBLY:
SENATE PRESIDENT: Pate Philips (R)
HOUSE SPEAKER: Mike Madigan (D)

Illinois AFTER George Ryan's criminal reign:

U.S. SENATORS
Dick Durbin (D)
Barack Obama (D)

GOVERNOR: Rod Blagojevich (D)
LT. GOVERNOR: Pat Quinn (D)
SECRETARY OF STATE: Jesse White (D)
ATTORNEY GENERAL: Lisa Madigan (D)
TREASURER: Judy Barr Topinka (RINO)
CONTROLLER: Dan Hynes (D)

GENERAL ASSEMBLY:
SENATE PRESIDENT: Emil Jones (D)
HOUSE SPEAKER: Mike Madigan (D)

Vote for RINOs, they can win!!!

50 posted on 12/08/2005 7:35:58 PM PST by BillyBoy (Find out the TRUTH about the Chicago Democrat Machine's "Best Friend" in the GOP... www.nolahood.com)
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