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Before 9/11, Warnings on Bin Laden
nytimes ^ | December 9, 2005 | SCOTT SHANE

Posted on 12/08/2005 9:09:55 PM PST by ncountylee

WASHINGTON, Dec. 8 - More than three years before the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, American diplomats warned Saudi officials that Osama bin Laden might target civilian aircraft, according to a newly declassified State Department cable.

The cable was one of two documents released Thursday by the National Security Archive, a research organization at George Washington University that obtained them under the Freedom of Information Act. The other was a memorandum written five days after the 2001 attacks by George J. Tenet, then director of central intelligence, to his top deputies, titled "We're at War."

The June 1998 cable reported to Washington that three American officials, the State Department's regional security officer, an economics officer and an aviation specialist had met Saudi officials at King Khalid International Airport in Riyadh to pass along a warning based on an interview Mr. bin Laden, the Saudi-born leader of Al Qaeda, had just given to ABC News.

They said he had threatened in the interview to strike in the next "few weeks" against "military passenger aircraft," mentioning surface-to-air missiles. The cable said there was "no specific information that indicates bin Laden is targeting civilian aircraft," but added, "We could not rule out that a terrorist might take the course of least resistance and turn to a civilian target."

Part of the Tenet memo had been reported previously in Bob Woodward's 2002 book, "Bush At War." The eight-paragraph Tenet letter was a call to arms, declaring "a worldwide war against Al Qaeda and other terrorist organizations" and saying that the effort would require "our absolute and total dedication."

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 911; alqaeda; binladen; bookreview; bushatwar; gwot; jihad; obl; prequel; terrorism; terrorists; woodward; wot

1 posted on 12/08/2005 9:09:56 PM PST by ncountylee
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To: ncountylee
"three years before Sept. 11, 2001"

Bush's Fault?

2 posted on 12/08/2005 9:11:22 PM PST by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: ncountylee

Are you sure about the date? That puts this into Clinton's regime.


3 posted on 12/08/2005 9:15:34 PM PST by rawhide
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To: ncountylee

bump for publicity


4 posted on 12/08/2005 9:16:56 PM PST by VOA
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To: ncountylee
And once again, the FACTS in the story totally destroy the spin lies the NY DNCTimes try to create. Do any of these "news media" morons have ANY idea how many of these sorts of threats our Government hears week in and week out? Notice how NONE Of the details of the story in ANY way relate to the way the actual attacks were made on 9-11?

NOW, with the usually 20/02 A@@site the Dinosaur media is notorious for, they cherry pick the details to create a complete LIE that some how 9-11 should of been prevented. Complete scum is all they are.

5 posted on 12/08/2005 9:20:05 PM PST by MNJohnnie (Kerry/Dean Democrats preach lies to cowards, not truth to power.)
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To: ncountylee

Tenet damage control?


6 posted on 12/08/2005 9:21:17 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: ncountylee

Three years before 9-11-01.......Notice that the NY Slimes leaves out the word 'Clinton'so that most Americans do not make the connection.

Had the warning come under Bush's watch the headline would scream.......BUSH TO BLAME FOR 9-11.


7 posted on 12/08/2005 9:21:33 PM PST by JulieRNR21 (God bless America , President Bush and our brave troops!)
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To: rawhide
Are you sure about the date? That puts this into Clinton's regime.

Yes, but bin Laden was doing this with the complicity of the father of the Governor of Texas, since his father and he were buddies going all the back to when his father was head of the CIA for about a year in the 1970s. HE was just preparing for when the Texas oilmen would be in office and he would stage these hijackings. This would cause the U.S. to go to war and jack up poil prices, and they would rake in the profits.

< / conspiracy>

8 posted on 12/08/2005 9:22:03 PM PST by GoBucks2002
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To: ncountylee

Usama bin Laden is dead. Had he still been alive, we would have already received numerous video feeds. All we see and hear today are audio feeds purporting to be bin Laden. Where did the videos go, and why are none available? The man is toasty cracker material beneath the desert. Does anyone get it? The U.S. probably blew his balls sky-high. I pity the poor idiot who had to pick Usama's balls from his birdbath.
We got videos galore of Usama after September 11, 2001. Today we get audio tapes. wake up and smell the camel-nut java.
I'll explain this: One Dead Rat. Get the point?
Merry Christmas!


9 posted on 12/08/2005 9:23:59 PM PST by ShotgunWillie (May the Lord bless you and yours, always.)
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To: ShotgunWillie

Do you do color commentary for a living?


10 posted on 12/08/2005 9:25:29 PM PST by woofie (John Wilkes Booth thought he was a patriot too)
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To: ncountylee

"three years before Sept. 11, 2001"
Bush's Fault?"

Sure. Didn't you know as Texas Governor he was in charge of US Foreign Policy and the Defense of this country? You must have missed that. We forgive you.


12 posted on 12/08/2005 9:30:36 PM PST by The South Texan (The Democrat Party and the leftist (ABCCBSNBCCNN NYLATIMES)media are a criminal enterprise!)
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To: ncountylee
The 2001 document echoed an earlier memo about Al Qaeda that Mr. Tenet had sent on Dec. 4, 1998, to top C.I.A. officials and other intelligence agencies, stating: "We are at war. I want no resources or people spared in this effort." But the national 9/11 commission concluded last year that the 1998 memo had "little overall effect" on mobilizing the agencies to fight terrorism.

A bit late Mr. Tenet. Bin Laden declared war on us in his 1996 fatwa, "Declaration of War against the Americans Occupying the Land of the Two Holy Places."

13 posted on 12/08/2005 9:34:04 PM PST by kabar
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To: ncountylee

Terrorist targeting planes.

That's new!

/sarcasm


14 posted on 12/08/2005 9:35:57 PM PST by Shermy
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To: JulieRNR21

And what is the relation between that threat in June 98 and the blowing of flight 800 out of the Atlantic sky?


15 posted on 12/08/2005 9:38:57 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: ncountylee

BTTT


16 posted on 12/08/2005 9:41:33 PM PST by Dajjal
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To: ShotgunWillie

Hey Shotgun, lay off the whiskey dude..


17 posted on 12/08/2005 9:42:18 PM PST by biff0101
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To: ncountylee
" But the national 9/11 commission concluded last year that the 1998 memo had "little overall effect" on mobilizing the agencies to fight terrorism

Why did they come to that conclusion and if true .. why didn't anyone listen to Tenet?

18 posted on 12/08/2005 9:43:31 PM PST by Mo1 (Message to Democrats .... We do not surrender and run from a fight !!)
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To: ShotgunWillie
Usama bin Laden is dead. Had he still been alive, we would have already received numerous video feeds. All we see and hear today are audio feeds purporting to be bin Laden. Where did the videos go, and why are none available? The man is toasty cracker material beneath the desert. Does anyone get it?

UBL is certainly not dead and everyone from the NCO's hunting his as$ to the CIC are aware of this fact -

Brave warriors are risking all 24/7 deep in Indian country hunting this evil SOB - Along with several other HVT's that remain out there (Zawahiri, Jalaluddin Haqqani & Gulbuddin Hekmatyar).

He is somewhere along the Afghan / Pakistan border region north of Peshawar - Capturing UBL in the NW Frontier is such an extremely difficult task most just can't comprehend.

We are talking roughly 40,000 square miles of the most rugged terrain on earth! - Furthermore the Afghan / Pakistan border stretches 1,500 miles—roughly the distance from Washington, D.C., to Denver (just to get a clue).

Throughout the NW Frontier (and Baluchistan) Pashtun tribes are completely in control. A group of warlords who are autonomous from any centralized Gov't -

Again the terrain in this region of the world is some of the most brutal on earth -Making any sustained operations a complete nightmare.

As for videos? - UBL is much more concerned with staying alive then with putting out propaganda - Additionally how do you know he hasn't "tried" to put out more then the MSM is aware of? - These type items recovered "in transit" are not the types of materials we release to the press -

Furthermore why UBL may not put out frequent tapes is the obvious - There is a clear vulnerability to releasing audio and video tapes - That being the custody chain of these tapes could be traced back if snatched somewhere along the way (which has happened).

UBL remains alive and eking out a survival...but we'll nail his as$ one of these days -

19 posted on 12/08/2005 9:43:43 PM PST by SevenMinusOne
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To: ncountylee

One more clue, but, really, this sounds like a possible threat to shoot down aircraft in a foreign country. Under the circumstances prevailing in 1998-2001, we would not have done what was necessary to tighten up air security in this country.

(We are still not sufficiently serious.)


20 posted on 12/08/2005 9:48:06 PM PST by csn vinnie
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To: mind control method

When the modus operandi is conducted in a non-discernable cave in a non-discernable part of a non-discernable mountain in a non-discernable location, and the aforementioned is holding an AK-47 (the select-fire version, of course, as U.S. subjects are only allowed AKM's (the semiautomatic-only version of the AK-47), and, furthermore, when events described reflect only that which has happened recently, then it would be quite believable that, had Usama bin Laden been the primary actor on the video feed, that Usama bin Laden had indeed been the primary actor on the feed.
It is merely the fact that such videos have of late not surfaced (with a remarkable appearance of audio cassettes in the bargain)which has led me to take the decision that I personally believe that Usama bin Laden is taking an eternal celestial dirt nap (if you think I borrowed that term from Neal Boortz, you are probably right! Your prize is one Zesta Saltine).


21 posted on 12/08/2005 9:53:31 PM PST by ShotgunWillie (May the Lord bless you and yours, always.)
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To: woofie

Not usually. At this time of year I like frog hearts for my reds and crab eggs for my greens. And I have a Christmas spider. Bet you don't have one.
Merry Christmas!


22 posted on 12/08/2005 9:56:31 PM PST by ShotgunWillie (May the Lord bless you and yours, always.)
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To: biff0101

Dude, whiskey is only for those faint of heart. You, perhaps?


23 posted on 12/08/2005 10:09:07 PM PST by ShotgunWillie (May the Lord bless you and yours, always.)
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To: ncountylee

on clintin's watch.

on clintin's watch.

on clintin's watch.

on clintin's watch.


24 posted on 12/08/2005 10:16:56 PM PST by cubreporter (I trust Rush. He has done more for this country than anyone will ever know. He's A++)
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To: ncountylee

Makes you kinda wonder what was in Sandy Berger's socks.


25 posted on 12/08/2005 10:26:09 PM PST by Sociopathocracy (Real men know the significance of the following numbers: 383, 426 and 440.)
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To: mind control method

I had to think again here. You stated that a bin Laden video comes out every six months or so. Look, reply to me in private if you must, but please tell me if you've SEEN a bin Laden video IN the past six months. If you have, it's news to me. More importantly, if there has been such a video, my sources must be screwed nine ways to Sunday!
Remember that it is easy to film videos in a cave and pretend that they took place at different times than they actually did. Remember that something said in 2002 could be construed as having been said yesterday. Most importantly, remember how easy it is to doctor photos and videos these days.
Some folks will do doggone near anything to make you believe their guff. Don't be a fool to it! Pay close attention, and learn to read between the lines. Understand just what it is that the news folk want you to believe, and understand how and why it differs from reality.
I love your reply. For a change someone hit me with a factoid rather than a cream-puff stat that some leftist pulled out of thin air.
Check out those last 6 months. Look on Lexis-Nexis, and check the archives of WorldNetDaily, NewsMax, Drudge, fox, and Nealz Nuze at boortz.com. Videos featuring bin Laden are awfully hard to come by these days.
Merry Christmas!


26 posted on 12/08/2005 10:33:22 PM PST by ShotgunWillie (May the Lord bless you and yours, always.)
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To: piasa
The cable was one of two documents released Thursday by the National Security Archive, a research organization at George Washington University

I'm keeping an eye on MSM quotations of the National Security Archive; this is the second time in the past week I've seen them quoted, I believe both in the NYT. Neither time was their pro-Castro orientation mentioned (naturally). I wonder what their interest in these particular documents is and what spin they're trying to create. Typically they get large numbers of documents declassified and then give the public summaries highlighting one-sided interpretations of select out-of-context quotes.

27 posted on 12/08/2005 10:35:16 PM PST by Fedora
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To: DevSix

> UBL is certainly not dead and everyone from the NCO's
> hunting his as$ to the CIC are aware of this fact -

> Brave warriors are risking all 24/7 deep in Indian country
> hunting this evil SOB

Perhaps he is already in US custody...? He has been chased down by Rangers, Seals, Marines (US and British), SAS (British, Australian, NZ). If they can't catch him, nobody can. My gut says he was caught long ago, and is languishing in a small concrete hole "somewhere..." Answering questions from time to time, as need be.

His continued survival serves a definite purpose. And it is not a purpose al Qaeda would be particularly pleased with.

Alternatively, an SAS sniper probably knows exactly where he is and what he's doing, and probably has an IR bead on him right now. If so, he would be a sneeze away from hi-velocity Martyrdom...


28 posted on 12/08/2005 10:47:50 PM PST by DieHard the Hunter (Kia Kaha)
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To: All

ON THE NET...

http://www.truthusa.com/911news.html
http://www.truthusa.com/911news2.html


29 posted on 12/08/2005 10:50:17 PM PST by Cindy
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To: DevSix

Okay. Your point is very well taken. The man himself, I believe, is dead. However, his vision lives on, in the hearts and minds of those who believe in his vision. As long as Usama lives, his vision lives. Should he die, though, there will always be someone to take his place. Those of our fools in the Western Hemisphere, who pay attention to the anti-American rabble that passes for news (to the tune of incessant cheering by the likes of Al-Jazeera)are apparently lacking in their understanding of this man's vision.
While they go out to buy Ipods, digital cameras, and X-Boxes, the heirs of bin Laden are seeking to destroy their lives, liberties, and persuits of happiness.
It is not important whether or not the man, Usama bin Laden, lives. It is important to realize what he represents, and what those who would follow him would realize, given their way.
To all of our troops in Afghanistan and Iraq, thank you. My eyes grow teary to think of your sacrifices. I truly wish I could be there with you. Merry Christmas to all of you, as best you can have it. To you, DevSix, you sound like one who has been there and possibly still are. If so, thank you for your service to our country.
I want you to know that I pay no attention to these fools that tell us to pull out of Iraq. I pay attention to the stories that matter- the ones that tell the truth about the great things that have happened in that country since Hussein was toppled. The sense of freedom. The release from fear. The infrastructural rebuilding that has taken such little time. The new-found hope for Iraqui women,children, and men, not to mention families. The list is countless. I want the American soldier to understand how proud I am.
I also want you to understand that my opinion on bin Laden is not based on sniggering self-righteousness, but upon a firmly-held belief. The man may not live on. But, certainly and with much sorrow, his vision does.


30 posted on 12/08/2005 11:04:03 PM PST by ShotgunWillie (May the Lord bless you and yours, always.)
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To: ShotgunWillie; DevSix

Yeah, but what if we can't believe what we're told:

1) is he actually alive and in custody (good news); or
2) is he actually alive and in a cross-hairs somewhere (also good news); or
3) is he actually dead and al Qaeda knows and we don't (bad news); or
4) is he actually dead and nobody knows (best/worst news, depending on where you sit); or worst yet
5) is he actually dead and "we" know, but nobody else knows and his continued supposed "existence" is being used to perpetuate the War in Iraq...

I tend to trust the Government. But his al-Qaeda stuff has more than a scent of X-Files about it. I'll believe the demise of Osama when I see his head mounted on a pike in Baghdad.


31 posted on 12/08/2005 11:24:39 PM PST by DieHard the Hunter (Kia Kaha)
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To: ncountylee

BTTT


32 posted on 12/09/2005 1:26:18 AM PST by AnimalLover ( ((Are there special rules and regulations for the big guys?)))
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To: DieHard the Hunter
Perhaps he is already in US custody...? He has been chased down by Rangers, Seals, Marines (US and British), SAS (British, Australian, NZ). If they can't catch him, nobody can. My gut says he was caught long ago, and is languishing in a small concrete hole "somewhere..." Answering questions from time to time, as need be. His continued survival serves a definite purpose. And it is not a purpose al Qaeda would be particularly pleased with. Alternatively, an SAS sniper probably knows exactly where he is and what he's doing, and probably has an IR bead on him right now. If so, he would be a sneeze away from hi-velocity Martyrdom...

Not how the real world works - UBL is alive just as Zarqawi is in Iraq -

34 posted on 12/09/2005 6:11:46 AM PST by SevenMinusOne
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To: ncountylee
Geez...a familiar name pops up again...it is common knowledge that Vince Cannistraro accompanied John Miller to his famous 1998 Bin Laden interview for ABC that is referenced in the article

It was also common knowledge in 1999 that Bin Laden was tied to Iraq:

Bin Laden and Iraq (1999 articles)

35 posted on 12/09/2005 8:04:11 AM PST by ravingnutter
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To: ncountylee
In in 1998, an Arab intelligence officer, who knows Saddam personally, predicted in Newsweek: "Very soon you will be witnessing large-scale terrorist activity run by the Iraqis." The Arab official said these terror operations would be run under "false flags" --spook-speak for front groups--including bin Laden's organization.

Then there were the predictions by an Iraqi with ties to Iraqi intelligence, Naeem Abd Mulhalhal, in Qusay's own newspaper several weeks before the attacks that stated bin Laden would “demolish the Pentagon after he destroys the White House and ”bin Laden would strike America “on the arm that is already hurting.” (referencing a second IRAQI sponsored attack on the World Trade Center). Another reference to New York was “[bin Laden] will curse the memory of Frank Sinatra everytime he hears his songs.” (e.g., “New York, New York”) which identified New York, New York as a target. Mulhalhal also stated, “The wings of a dove and the bullet are all but one and the same in the heart of a believer." which references an airplane attack.

The Arabic language daily newspaper Al-Quds Al-Arabic also cited the cooperation between Iraq, bin Laden and Al December 1998 editorial, which predicted that “President Saddam Hussein, whose country was subjected to a four day air strike, will look for support in taking revenge on the United States and Britain by cooperating with Saudi oppositionist Osama Bin-Laden, whom the United States considers to be the most wanted person in the world.” This info is in the link provided below. How could these people have had foreknowledge without Iraq being involved?

Source for this info

Warning...slow loading .pdf file. This was from a lawsuit filed against Iraq after 9/11...the court ruled against Iraq.

There was also another lawsuit filed by the family of John O’Neill (a former FBI agent who captured Ramzi Yousef after the 1993 WTC bombings) after he died in the WTC on 9/11. His personal files from his years of traveling around the world investigating al-Qaeda are were used as evidence in the lawsuit. The evidence includes documents unearthed in the headquarters of the Mukhabarat (Iraq's intelligence service) and information gleaned from the interrogation of both al-Qaeda and Iraqi prisoners. (Link below). It also quotes Vincent Cannistraro, the former CIA counter-terrorism chief, who stated in October 2000 that Iraq had been wanting to carry out terrorist attacks, and that the Iraqi military had been in contact with Osama bin Laden.

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We know from these IIS documents that beginning in 1992 the former Iraqi regime regarded bin Laden as an Iraqi Intelligence asset. We know from IIS documents that the former Iraqi regime provided safe haven and financial support to an Iraqi who has admitted to mixing the chemicals for the 1993 attack on the World Trade Center. We know from IIS documents that Saddam Hussein agreed to Osama bin Laden's request to broadcast anti-Saudi propaganda on Iraqi state-run television. We know from IIS documents that a "trusted confidante" of bin Laden stayed for more than two weeks at a posh Baghdad hotel as the guest of the Iraqi Intelligence Service.

Abu Nidal, September 11 and Saddam The terrorist network may be closer knit than we think.

Weekly Standard: The Mother of All Connections

List of newspaper article in the 90's which mention the world's concern regarding the growing relationship between OBL and Saddam:

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Son of Saddam coordinates OBL activities:

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The AQ connection (excellent):

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Western Nightmare:

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Saddam's link to OBL:

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NYT: Iraq and AQ agree to cooperate:

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Document linking them:

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Iraq and terrorism - no doubt about it:

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A federal judge rules there are links:

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Wall Street Journal on Iraq and AQ:

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Iraq and Iran contact OBL:

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More evidence:

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Saddam's AQ connection:

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Further connections:

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What a court of law said about the connections:

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Some miscellaneous stuff on connections:

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Saddam's Ambassador to Al Qaeda: (February 2004, Weekly Standard)

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Yes - it's NewsMax but loaded with interesting bullet points.

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Saddam's Fingerprints on NY Bombing (Wall Street Journal, June 1993)

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Colin Powell: Iraq and AQ Partners for Years (CNN, February 2003)

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The Iraq-Al Qaeda Connections (September 2003, Richard Miniter)

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Oil for Food Scandal Ties Iraq and Al Qaeda (June 2003)

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Saddam and OBL Make a Pact (The New Yorker, February 2003):

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Al Qaeda's Poison Gas (Wall Street Journal, April 2004):

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Wolfowitz Says Saddam behind 9/11 Attacks:

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Saddam behind first WTC attack - PBS, Laurie Mylroie:

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Growing Evidence of Saddam and Al Qaeda Link, The Weekly Standard, July 2003:

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Qusay Hussein Coordinated Iraq special operations with Bin Laden Terrorist Activities, Yossef Bodansky, National Press Club

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The Western Nightmare: Saddam and Bin Laden vs. the Rest of the World, The Guardian Unlimited:

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Saddam Link to Bin Laden, Julian Borger, The Guardian, February 1999

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The Al Qaeda Connection, The Weekly Standard, July 2003

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Cheney lectures Russert on Iraq/911 Link, September 2003:

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No Question About It, National Review, September 2003

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Iraq: A Federal Judges Point of View

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Mohammed's Account links Iraq to 9/11 and OKC:

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Free Republic Thread that mentions some books Freepers might be interested in on this topic:

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The Proof that Saddam Worked with AQ, The Telegraph, April 2003:

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Saddam's AQ Connection, The Weekly Standard, September 2003

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September 11 Victims Sue Iraq:

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Osama's Best Friend: The Further Connections Between Al Qaeda and Saddam, The Weekly Standard, November 2003

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Terrorist Behind 9/11 Attacks Trained by Saddam, The Telegraph, December 2003

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James Woolsey Links Iraq and AQ, CNN Interview, March 2004, Also see Posts #34 and #35

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A Geocities Interesting Web Site with maps and connections:

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Bin Laden indicted in federal court, read down to find information that Bin Laden agreed to not attack Iraq and to work cooperatively with Iraq:

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Case Closed, The Weekly Standard, November 03

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CBS - Lawsuit: Iraq involved in 9/11:

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Exploring Iraq's Involvement in pre-9/11 Acts, The Indianapolis Star:

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The Iraq/AQ Connection: Richard Minister again

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Militia Defector says Baghdad trained Al Qaeda fighters in chemical weapons, July 2002

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The Clinton View of Iraq/AQ Ties, The Weekly Standard, December 2003

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Saddam Controlled the Camps (Iraq/AQ Ties): The London Observer, November 01

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Saddam's Terror Ties that Critics Ignore, National Review, October 2003:

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Tape Shows General Wesley Clark linking Iraq and AQ:

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The Missing Link (What the Senate Ingelligence Report Said about Iraq/AQ Connections) Click Here

Credit to Peach for the above info.

Credit to joesbucks for the following links:

Dozens of links here:

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Just a few of those links include:

The Clinton Justice Department's indictment against OBL in federal court which mentions the terrorist's connections to Iraq. November 4, 1998. The federal indictment:

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Iraq and AQ agree to cooperate. The federal indictment against OBL working in concert with Iraq and Iran is mentioned. November 1998. The New York Times

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Saddam reaching out to OBL January 1, 1999. Newsweek

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ABC news reports on the Osama/Saddam connections January 14, 1999. ABC News

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Western Nightmare: Saddam and OBL versus the World. Iraq recruited OBL. February 6, 1999. The Guardian

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Saddam's Link to OBL February 6, 1999. The Guardian

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Saddam offered asylum to bin Laden February 13, 1999. AP

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And kabar submitted these two little gems showing Bin Laden supported Iraq and its struggle against the US and the West.

1996 Fatwa: "Declaration of War against the Americans Occupying the Land of the Two Holy Places."

1998 Text of Fatwah Urging Jihad Against Americans

36 posted on 12/09/2005 8:05:56 AM PST by ravingnutter
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To: ravingnutter
Wonderful compilation, I have saved it for reference. Thanks.
37 posted on 12/09/2005 8:16:12 AM PST by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: DevSix

> Not how the real world works - UBL is alive just as Zarqawi is in Iraq -

I respect your viewpoint and disagree. You may well be right -- and I'm not sure whether I'd think it a good thing or a bad thing.

However, I've seen how the "real world" works over the years, and have been constantly amazed. Don't be too credulous, don't believe everything you're told, because much of what you see and hear is bulldust. Orchestrated by others to deceive you.

What I do know is this: UBL has a whopping bounty on his head and some of the best trained, highly motivated professional killers that the world has ever seen (both military and private) on his trail.

Any one of his minions can win the 9mm Lottery with one well-placed bullet and a phone call to Uncle Sam. He is either the luckiest fugitive in world history, or something else is happening that we don't know about.

I vote the latter, because nobody is that lucky.


38 posted on 12/09/2005 9:11:41 AM PST by DieHard the Hunter (I am the Chieftain of my Clan. I bow to nobody. Get out of my way.)
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To: ncountylee
NY Times site is presently being "slammed" - This memo back up what Michael "Anonymous" Scheuer said - that he resigne from CIA not because of W but because of his problems with Tenet and the rest of the Company.

And then there's this.
39 posted on 12/09/2005 9:12:22 AM PST by sono (They misunderestimated me.)
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To: Scottyboy568

> If we get intel on his exact location, it is highly likely
> our only option will be to strike him immediately with a
> bomb or missile. In that case you can be sure we'd have at
> least a company if not a battalion jumping in afterwards
> to kill/capture any surrounding terrorists and Taliban,
> and secure the area for the forensic teams searching for
> every bit of identifying piece of flesh left over from the
> bomb strike.

Mate, you are probably right, and I'm probably wrong -- tho' I'd imagine the company jumping in first, snatching the Bad Guy quietly. Then the missle. Then the clean-up.

UBL is worth much more alive than he is dead.


40 posted on 12/09/2005 9:24:08 AM PST by DieHard the Hunter (I am the Chieftain of my Clan. I bow to nobody. Get out of my way.)
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To: DieHard the Hunter
What I do know is this: UBL has a whopping bounty on his head and some of the best trained, highly motivated professional killers that the world has ever seen (both military and private) on his trail.

Any one of his minions can win the 9mm Lottery with one well-placed bullet and a phone call to Uncle Sam. He is either the luckiest fugitive in world history, or something else is happening that we don't know about.

Wrong - He is simply surviving because of his location - In the NW Frontier of Pakistan - Some of the most brutal terrain on earth (where no "private type" bounty-hunters would dare operate). And where conducting professional military Ops is a nightmare.

But we'll get him -

Regards,

And by the way, Zarqawi remains alive in Iraq with just a big of a bounty on his head and we have over 155,000 + U.S. Soldiers there - Plus Intel sources that far out value what we have in the Afghan/Pak border regions -

41 posted on 12/09/2005 10:26:13 AM PST by SevenMinusOne
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To: DevSix

> But we'll get him -

From your lips to God's ears, my friend.


42 posted on 12/09/2005 11:34:35 AM PST by DieHard the Hunter (I am the Chieftain of my Clan. I bow to nobody. Get out of my way.)
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To: DieHard the Hunter

I couldn't agree more. His head on a pike would go a long way towards answering the question at hand. However, if he's been hiding in the mountains of Pakistan, way out in the middle of feudal tarritory that not even the Pakistani government could access (if they wanted to), how in the hell does he get his dialysis? Maybe we should see if the French have been selling some battery-powered portable dialysis machines to Pakistan
lately. That would shed some credence on the theory that bin Laden is still alive. Anyone who believes that Pakistan is really trying to stop al-Qaeda and other Islamo-fascists is off their rocker anyway.


43 posted on 12/09/2005 1:57:08 PM PST by ShotgunWillie (Merry Christmas!)
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To: ShotgunWillie

Not I, whiskey is part of my breakfast..


44 posted on 12/09/2005 3:55:52 PM PST by biff0101
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To: kabar
The 2001 document echoed an earlier memo about Al Qaeda that Mr. Tenet had sent on Dec. 4, 1998, to top C.I.A. officials and other intelligence agencies, stating: "We are at war. I want no resources or people spared in this effort." But the national 9/11 commission concluded last year that the 1998 memo had "little overall effect" on mobilizing the agencies to fight terrorism.

Tenet's memo was in the first days of December 1998 - what else happened in the first days of December 1998 ?

DECEMBER 1998 early : (BIN LADEN RECEIVES THE FATWA FROM THE HIGH COURT OF AFGHANISTAN PERMITTING THE USE OF WMD AGAINST AMERICAN CIVILIANS) MR. BODANSKY ...The first key event took place in the first days of December last year, in that when bin Laden received the fatwah, a religious decree from the high court of Afghanistan, the leading Ulama -- religious court -- permitting, among other things, the use of weapons of mass destruction against innocents -- against American civilians. Terrorists in the past have had weapons of mass destruction -- never in the quantity and quality of bin Laden's -- and we'll go into that in a few minutes. The important thing is never have they had any authorization to use them. And this is the first time, considering the fact that bin Laden is the guest of the Taliban, he is seeking permission, justification or legitimization to use these weapons from the same group of learned individuals that also guide the Taliban is of extreme importance. ---NATIONAL PRESS CLUB 8/6/99 "...PRESS CONFERENCE NATIONAL PRESS CLUB MORNING NEWSMAKER WITH YOSSEF BODANSKY, AUTHOR; SUBJECT: INTERNATIONAL TERRORISM NATIONAL PRESS CLUB WASHINGTON, D.C. 10:00 A.M. EDT FRIDAY, AUGUST 6, 1999 via ALAMO-GIRL'S DOWNSIDE LEGACY AT TWO DEGREES OF PRESIDENT CLINTON ; SECTION: BREACH OF TRUST; SUBSECTION: TERROR; Revised 1/8/01

45 posted on 12/11/2005 11:15:11 PM PST by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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