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[Tookie] Williams' fate now up to governor-State prepares for possible violence if execution occurs
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | 12/9/5 | Mark Martin

Posted on 12/09/2005 7:30:04 AM PST by SmithL

Sacramento -- Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger spent more than an hour with lawyers for Stanley Tookie Williams and prosecutors pushing for his death sentence Thursday, hearing final arguments before he makes a decision on Williams' bid to avoid lethal injection.

Schwarzenegger now has fewer than four days to weigh Williams' past as a convicted four-time murderer and gang leader against his present work as an anti-gang crusader. Williams, who has written eight children's books from his Death Row cell, is pleading for clemency based on his value as "a unique voice'' against street violence, one of his attorneys said.

The hearing, in which both sides made their case to Schwarzenegger and four lawyers who work for the governor, took place in private. The governor was handed a letter from Williams during the meeting.

Schwarzenegger made no public appearances Thursday, and while attorneys held press conferences in front of more than 25 television cameras and dozens of reporters, no one would divulge details of the meeting held in the Ronald Reagan Cabinet Room inside the governor's suite of Capitol offices.

Williams' case has received worldwide attention and his notoriety and scheduled execution at 12:01 a.m. Tuesday has California prison officials preparing for potential violence inside facilities. Celebrities have been drawn to Williams' cause -- he met privately with rapper Snoop Dogg Wednesday and with actor Jamie Foxx Thursday at San Quentin State Prison.

In the Capitol, a deputy district attorney from Los Angeles made the case against clemency, declaring that Williams was guilty of "extremely brutal crimes against people who were defenseless.''

"Very simply, in our opinion, there are certain murders -- not every murder -- where an individual's conduct is just so abhorrent, where the crime is so brutal, it simply justifies the ultimate punishment,''

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: deathpenalty; frymumia; frytookie; stanleywilliams; tookie; tookiewilliams
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Tookie Delenda Est!
1 posted on 12/09/2005 7:30:06 AM PST by SmithL
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To: SmithL

The people riot if a pig like this is executed.... ah, anti death penalty activists resorting to violence.... got to love the reality of the "peaceful" left.


2 posted on 12/09/2005 7:32:54 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: SmithL

I feel a Great Wavering coming on, issuing forth from Arnold, shaking the ground beneath our feet.


3 posted on 12/09/2005 7:33:22 AM PST by samtheman
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To: SmithL
I really get the impression that (perversely) some people would secretly like Tookie to die so that there will be race riots and America can be Pariah's in the Liberal/left press. Just a thought.
4 posted on 12/09/2005 7:34:58 AM PST by vimto (Life isn't a dry run)
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To: All

C ommunity R evolution I n P ostponement


5 posted on 12/09/2005 7:35:27 AM PST by RambozoDClown
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To: SmithL
In a recent column by Stanley Crouch, Crouch stated that 10,000 people have been killed by gang-related violence since 1980.

And that's just in LA.

Sounds to me like they've already got violence.

6 posted on 12/09/2005 7:35:48 AM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: SmithL

AND, Arnold should prepare for a career ending wrath if the execution does not occur!


7 posted on 12/09/2005 7:36:09 AM PST by harpu
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To: SmithL

Arnold's at the mirror right now, trying to figure out how he can be a jellyfish and not look like a jellyfish.


8 posted on 12/09/2005 7:37:50 AM PST by IronJack
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To: SmithL

Arnold's going to punt, and just kick the can down the road a bit. Tookie will die a natural death after 50 years on death row.


9 posted on 12/09/2005 7:38:54 AM PST by kylaka
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To: samtheman

I was thinking that at first... but I've since learned that Arnold HAS denied clemency for others. I have more confidence that he'll let justice take its course.


10 posted on 12/09/2005 7:40:32 AM PST by johnny7 (“You have a corpse in a car, minus a head, in the garage. Take me to it.”)
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To: SmithL

Arnolds a bright guy so I hope he's smart enough to figure out the people crusading for Tookie would never vote for him regardless of whether he grants clemency. So please don't think granting clemency will provide any politial bonus. It would only alienate the people who fought hardest for him in the last election.


11 posted on 12/09/2005 7:41:31 AM PST by joebuck
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To: SmithL

Arnold is looking at his "What Would Jesus Do" bracelet.


12 posted on 12/09/2005 7:41:47 AM PST by guinness4strength
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To: SmithL

Is he dead yet?


13 posted on 12/09/2005 7:42:44 AM PST by Modok
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To: johnny7

I predict a Great Wavering on this one. I hope I'm wrong. This scum-bag deserves to be executed, then revived then executed again. And Arnold knows that. No doubt about it. But Arnold is deeply shaken by his recent defeats. Under the stress of those loses, I think he's about to make a big political and moral mistake. In the mistaken belief that he can placate the leftist hordes who trample his state.


14 posted on 12/09/2005 7:43:36 AM PST by samtheman
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To: SmithL
...California prison officials preparing for potential violence inside facilities...

Dear Arnold:

Remember that scene in the first Terminator when the Terminator said "I'll be back", and proceeded to slaughter all the cops in the precinct? Well, it's time to re-shoot the scene, except this time you get to do society a favor by terminating rioting scum in prison.

Sincerely,

Your New Wannabe Director

15 posted on 12/09/2005 7:43:57 AM PST by LRS
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To: SmithL
I agree - murder is the ultimate crime and if this murderer is not deserving of death, then no murderer can ever be put to death.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie.Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

16 posted on 12/09/2005 7:46:38 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: SmithL
Tookie says he didn't do it and refuses to apologize to the victim's families. That probably makes him a liar and a murderer and deserving of his sentence.
17 posted on 12/09/2005 7:46:54 AM PST by Mike Darancette (Mesocons for Rice '08)
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To: SmithL
"..."Very simply, in our opinion, there are certain murders -- not every murder -- where an individual's conduct is just so abhorrent, where the crime is so brutal, it simply justifies the ultimate punishment,''..."

Sounds like this should apply to abortionists.
18 posted on 12/09/2005 7:47:19 AM PST by NCC-1701 (RADICAL ISLAM IS A CULT. IT MUST BE ERADICATED ASAP)
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To: kylaka
 
I can't imagine the Governor letting this guy live. He gains absolutely nothing by commuting his sentence (Mike Farrel and Ed Asner will never vote for him anyway), and will lose the remainder of the state. Remember that California, although being a haven of leftist buffoons, is highly in favor of the death penalty and one of the states to suffer the most from gang activity over the last generation.

 

19 posted on 12/09/2005 7:55:07 AM PST by HawaiianGecko (Facts are neither debatable nor open to "I have a right to this opinion" nonsense.)
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To: SmithL

Arnold weighing if he can win the Republican primary if he pardons Tookie. He can't.


20 posted on 12/09/2005 7:56:18 AM PST by byteback
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To: harpu; samtheman; IronJack; kylaka; joebuck; johnny7

The people who think Tookie should be executed won't riot if he's pardoned, but they will remember during next year's election.

The people that think Tookie is some kind of hero may or may not riot, but they will never support Arnold under any circumstances.

If Arnold wanted to play hero to the left, he would have done it yesterday, as soon as the hearing was over. No, he's going to let the execution go forward. However, he won't announce it until the last possible minute, in order to minimize the disruption between the announcement and the execution.


21 posted on 12/09/2005 7:57:13 AM PST by SmithL (There are a lot of people that hate Bush more than they hate terrorists)
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To: HamiltonJay

the violence isn't going to be perpetrated by the anti-death penalty crowd..this is gonna be from "all black men on death row are innocent pawns in whitie's game" group..


22 posted on 12/09/2005 7:57:39 AM PST by Awestruck (All the usual suspects)
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To: SmithL
75 people rallied outside the Capitol in support of Williams
23 posted on 12/09/2005 7:58:28 AM PST by shiva
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To: byteback

I would be very surprised if Arnold signed off on the execution of this scumbag. He has some Kennedy in him and he
will be listening to the moaning over poor Tookie at
Christmas dinner. He will not sign off on it. He made his money pretending to kill hundreds of bad guys but I do not think he has the stones to put this cur down.


24 posted on 12/09/2005 8:01:45 AM PST by oldironsides
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To: SmithL
If Arnold wanted to play hero to the left, he would have done it yesterday, as soon as the hearing was over. No, he's going to let the execution go forward. However, he won't announce it until the last possible minute, in order to minimize the disruption between the announcement and the execution.
You could be right, I hope you're right, and your reasoning makes sense. But I am nervous. If he gives that son-of-a-bitch clemency, it will be a sickening thing indeed.
25 posted on 12/09/2005 8:03:00 AM PST by samtheman
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To: vimto
I really get the impression that (perversely) some people would secretly like Tookie to die so that there will be race riots and America can be Pariah's in the Liberal/left press. Just a thought.

I don't like your thought. The guy's a murdering pig. He's been sentenced to death by a jury. If threats of riots by a certain group of people can turn the law on its head, then the law means nothing and no one should ever be punished for any crime. If enforcing the law makes lawkeepers pariahs in the liberal press it says much more about liberals than lawkeepers. Rioting is a crime against society too and should be dealt with harshly as such.

The notion that a piece of human filth who's left a legacy of lawlessness and murder after murder is above the law -- and has even been nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize! -- is beyond belief. Anyone who advocates that does not deserve to live in a free society.

26 posted on 12/09/2005 8:05:31 AM PST by Bernard Marx (Don't make the mistake of interpreting my Civility as Servility)
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To: HamiltonJay

Yep, I wonder how many people would get killed in a riot to protest the death penalty. None of this, of course, makes any sense.


27 posted on 12/09/2005 8:07:58 AM PST by popdonnelly
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To: Bernard Marx
I wasn't supporting it, indeed far from it - only noting the perverse nature of the Left / liberal position.

warm regards,
28 posted on 12/09/2005 8:09:27 AM PST by vimto (Life isn't a dry run)
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To: SmithL

Fry the bastard ... and respond to rioters with overwhelming firepower.


29 posted on 12/09/2005 8:10:43 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: SmithL

30 posted on 12/09/2005 8:13:48 AM PST by Jaxter ("Vivit Post Funera Virtus")
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To: Bernard Marx
The notion that a piece of human filth who's left a legacy of lawlessness and murder after murder is above the law -- and has even been nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize! -- is beyond belief.

I didn't know that the Nobel Peace Prize had been further devalued. Maybe Tookie and Osama can share the winnings

31 posted on 12/09/2005 8:16:55 AM PST by george wythe
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To: SmithL

Tookie is definately as expendendable as his victems were and a thousand times more deserving of being expended. Let the expending commence as scheduled on 12-13-05.

It's past time for Tookie to taste in unfortunately a more gentle and punk ass form, the violent and unprovoced deaths he inflicted upon his innocent victems.

Terminate this sonovabitch, termanator.


32 posted on 12/09/2005 8:22:31 AM PST by F.J. Mitchell (Okay, bring our troops home. But don't feign surprise when the terrorists tag along.)
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To: SmithL
I agree... Schwarzenegger has nothing to gain by granting clemency to a murderer. However, he has everything to lose politically. Symbolically, he'd be emasculated by the left.
33 posted on 12/09/2005 8:23:15 AM PST by johnny7 (“You have a corpse in a car, minus a head, in the garage. Take me to it.”)
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To: vimto

I must have misread your meaning. Yes, the Left's position is perverse -- and Orwellian.


34 posted on 12/09/2005 8:24:52 AM PST by Bernard Marx (Don't make the mistake of interpreting my Civility as Servility)
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To: SmithL

The violence already occured. 4 executed by Tookie, Crips gang started. Greatly contributed to the Rodney King riots! What more violence could occur.

Also heard that he refuses to this day to debrief various agencies on the Crips inner workings. Now that alone is execution material.


35 posted on 12/09/2005 8:25:53 AM PST by jw777
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To: jw777

BUMP!


36 posted on 12/09/2005 8:28:15 AM PST by F.J. Mitchell (Okay, bring our troops home. But don't feign surprise when the terrorists tag along.)
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To: george wythe
I didn't know that the Nobel Peace Prize had been further devalued.

It has been even though it's hard to imagine how it could be after being presented to Jimmah Carter and Yasser Arafat.

37 posted on 12/09/2005 8:30:39 AM PST by Bernard Marx (Don't make the mistake of interpreting my Civility as Servility)
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To: vimto
Image hosted by Photobucket.com only black gangsters will riot... NOT the majority of honest black citizens.
38 posted on 12/09/2005 8:31:08 AM PST by Chode (American Hedonist ©®)
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To: samtheman

You are absolutely right. Arnold has been dealing with the Democrats in CA. The first part of this deal was the hiring of his new Chief of Staff. The second will be clemency for Tookie. It will be interesting to see what he has traded his soul for.


39 posted on 12/09/2005 8:33:49 AM PST by MAWG (In the shadows, on permanent ambush duty.)
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To: SmithL




dado del tookie del dado!


40 posted on 12/09/2005 8:34:53 AM PST by rockabyebaby (I'm not afraid to say out loud what the rest of you are afraid to admit.)
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To: SmithL

I wish Arnold would issue this Proclamation:

"I hereby delay the execution of Tookie Williams for as long as there are no gang-related deaths in the State of California. If there are no gang-related deaths, then Tookie will die of old age in prison. However, he will be executed within 24 hours of the next gang-related death in the State."

Let's see how well Tookie's followers want him to live.


41 posted on 12/09/2005 8:35:19 AM PST by So Cal Rocket (Proud Member: Internet Pajama Wearers for Truth)
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To: Mike Darancette

Exactly. His case for leniency would be stronger if he admitted his sins and sought redemption. To me, this is just one big con job egged on by a extremely biased media.


42 posted on 12/09/2005 8:37:04 AM PST by Looper
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To: SmithL

43 posted on 12/09/2005 8:39:19 AM PST by RGSpincich
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To: SmithL
Chris Wallace just said (on the John Gambling Show - NYC) that Tookie's "best selling" book sold 300 copies.

They are probably all owned by H'wood celebs who want to spring him, so they wanted to 'get the sales up.'

44 posted on 12/09/2005 8:39:46 AM PST by Ed_in_NJ (Who killed Suzanne Coleman?)
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To: SmithL
I want to see a riot.... since I'm in Texas and all my family left that sh#t hole 3 years ago.

I hope nobody uses a firearm to protect themselves...... they should just "talk" to the rioters and work it out , man. like wow... California spoils the criminals and miscreants then is "shocked" when they have a temper tantrum....

good riddance. I hope they end up like Detroit.

45 posted on 12/09/2005 8:45:23 AM PST by Dick Vomer (liberals suck......... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.)
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To: HamiltonJay
This guy is looking for a new gig.


46 posted on 12/09/2005 8:45:31 AM PST by jslade (What is "social justice" but enforced lack of justice for those who do productive work?)
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To: SmithL
Williams' lawyers, however, argue that their client is more valuable to society alive than dead

This is debatable, but completely clear and undebatable is the fact that his murdered victims were more valuable to society alive than dead. Besides, it's been 25 years since he was sentenced to death ..... it's embarrassing ..... get on with it.

47 posted on 12/09/2005 8:45:48 AM PST by layman (Card Carrying Infidel)
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To: vimto

"Juice" the mutant! "Juice" him now!

Be prepared. Be armed.


48 posted on 12/09/2005 8:45:52 AM PST by Baraonda (Demographic is destiny. Don't hire 3rd world illegal aliens nor support businesses that hire them.)
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To: samtheman

He wouldn't be the first to succumb to appeasement. Having said that, I think he will deny clemency. Time will tell.


49 posted on 12/09/2005 8:49:25 AM PST by GW and Twins Pawpaw (Sheepdog for Five [My grandkids are way more important than any lefty's feelings!])
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To: Bernard Marx

Amen to everything you said.

The savage (Toothless Tookie) has served notice to society he's not fit to live among civilized people. The savage must, therefore, DIE!


50 posted on 12/09/2005 8:52:00 AM PST by Baraonda (Demographic is destiny. Don't hire 3rd world illegal aliens nor support businesses that hire them.)
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