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I was just called by an NBC pollster
nbc ^ | 12/10/05 | me

Posted on 12/10/2005 8:28:04 AM PST by alnick

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To: maggief

That's what my google says.


61 posted on 12/10/2005 9:21:21 AM PST by billhilly (Demo cammo is yellow and white)
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To: alnick

This tactic is called cherry-picking the population sample -- in first predetermining those likely to give the responses the pollster is seeking, and then only asking that biased sample questions. So they go through the motions of conducting a sample when the questions are so vague as to be highly questionable.

What does "right" and "wrong" mean? It means different things to different people. A good question means the same thing to whomever one asks -- such as, "Are you making more money this year than last?" -- and not opinion piled upon opinion upon opinion -- which are the manipulations of the propagandist. The respondent is not sure what question or concern he is responding to but are directed and encouraged to make a hasty and thoughtless response.

And by this, we should rule the country -- or first off, be informed? Mass media is suited for propaganda and advertising purposes -- and in an age in which people are empowered and competent to pull their own strings, thank you, the old media autocrats won't let them go, still echoing the refrain from another era, "Don't turn your back on me; I own you!"


62 posted on 12/10/2005 9:23:34 AM PST by MikeHu
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To: cripplecreek
I would have wanted to say that the country is headed in the wrong direction but not the way the media wants to promote.

I agree with you, and if I had been speaking with an honest polling organization, I would have said just that.

63 posted on 12/10/2005 9:27:45 AM PST by alnick
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To: ridesthemiles
This is called "Selective Reporting." CBS called it fake but accurate."" FAKE BUT ACCURATE??? Is this like breast implants? They are there. They exist. They are covered with real breast tissue and skin.

FAKE BUT ACCURATE is my descritpion of this picture that I post on every thread about Ted Kennedy:


64 posted on 12/10/2005 9:29:05 AM PST by Maceman (Fake but accurate -- and now double-sourced)
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To: GregoTX
Your not canceling any plans to wait by the phone are you?

LOL. Nope, not holding my breath.

65 posted on 12/10/2005 9:29:19 AM PST by alnick
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To: alnick

Did you get their phone number from Caller ID, and can you reverse lookup the company that owns the phone number?


66 posted on 12/10/2005 9:31:21 AM PST by HighWheeler ("The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men." Plato)
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To: alnick

Let's not kid ourselves. The final "results" of these "polls" are known long before the first question is ever asked.


67 posted on 12/10/2005 9:33:14 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (We did not lose in Vietnam. We left.)
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To: MikeHu

Did they also threaten to sue you if you divulged the nature of their polling?

That's the next step in the mass media debacle. Any wrongs they do, they will sue for anybody revealing them to others.

"Editors reserve the right to assume as many aliases as they deem necessary to make the story flow more smoothly or give added emphasis to their point."


68 posted on 12/10/2005 9:33:48 AM PST by MikeHu
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To: alnick

Geez, aren't these the same folks who cooked up the exploding gas tank myth a few years back?


69 posted on 12/10/2005 9:34:20 AM PST by stboz
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To: new yorker 77
Bill Kristol was asked about the GOP web ad. He said, "It was probably a bad idea."

Why doesn't that surprise me. Sigh.

Personally, I love ad. I only wish it were played on national television.

70 posted on 12/10/2005 9:35:01 AM PST by alnick
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To: Maceman
That is a GREAT example of Fake-but-Accurate about Teddy the Liquor Pig™.
71 posted on 12/10/2005 9:36:08 AM PST by HighWheeler ("The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men." Plato)
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To: alnick

I was watching a TV show while reading FR, and on it they were doing experiments on tinfoil hats. You wouldn't believe what they discovered.. They discovered that no matter the design of the tin hat, it actually AMPLIFIED your brainwave singnals, making it easier for the government to know what you are thinking.
Don't tell the DUmmies.


72 posted on 12/10/2005 9:36:34 AM PST by Forte Runningrock
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To: alnick

Not surprising. I don't believe that these polls are worth a damn. They are push polling to get a result they want.


73 posted on 12/10/2005 9:37:08 AM PST by RichardW
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To: alnick
Image hosted by Photobucket.com write to nbc and ask them if they were polling that day and what the criteria was... if they reply, then blast them with the way they ask the question BEFORE the qualifier???
74 posted on 12/10/2005 9:41:11 AM PST by Chode (American Hedonist ©®)
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To: alnick
Why else would they have asked that question before asking my age.

They wouldn't.

In the bad ol days I used to do surveys. You always make sure you are calling a house that fits your demographics before you ask the main questions if you are doing a demographic based survey.

Other wise you just wasted your time and as you usually get a bonus based on how many completed surveys you do, you do not want to waste your time.

75 posted on 12/10/2005 9:41:36 AM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (When the First Amendment was written dueling was common and legal. Think about it.)
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To: counterpunch
Either the person conducting the poll was crooked and acting independently, or he was acting according to instructions from the organization. Either way, the only explanation is that someone was looking to skew the poll, and you were not desirable for their predetermined end result.

My impression is that the computer is programmed to make the results come out a certain way. I doubt the person manning the phone has any control over it.

My theory is they want a certain outcome. So they program the computer to spit out questions in a seemingly random order, over which the telephone operator has no control. The computer will allow a certain percentage of "right direction" responses to come through in order to make it seem real. Once the operator inputs the "right way" response on all but the percentage that is to be allowed, the computer then puts out a supposed screening question. The operator inputs that data and the computer comes back with a sorry, maybe next time message.

76 posted on 12/10/2005 9:41:40 AM PST by alnick
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To: new yorker 77

"Bill Kristol was asked about the GOP web ad.

He said, "It was probably a bad idea."

-- -- --


What's good according to Kristol is bad for America, what he doesn't like is good for America.


77 posted on 12/10/2005 9:43:15 AM PST by HighWheeler ("The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men." Plato)
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To: alnick
It's real news.


Isn't it?

78 posted on 12/10/2005 9:43:53 AM PST by ChadGore (VISUALIZE 62,041,268 Bush fans.)
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To: HighWheeler

No, I don't have caller id.


79 posted on 12/10/2005 9:44:30 AM PST by alnick
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To: alnick

The line of demarcation is no longer left and right, conservative or liberal, but old media mentality and new. The old mentality insists that the people can only communicate with their duly elected officials, and vice-versa, through self-appointed media demagogues, as necessary intermediaries.

So the establishment media was not so upset that the government was paying for "propaganda," as they were not paying THEM for THEIR propaganda. Not paying them off first and exclusively, is absolutely scandalous -- and a violation of all the Ten Commandments and Amendments -- written and upheld by the mainstream media themselves, of course. Who else can be trusted?


80 posted on 12/10/2005 9:45:01 AM PST by MikeHu
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