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Corporations Telling Salvation Army to Stay Away
WorldNow and WAFB ^ | Dec 9, 2005 | Matt Clough

Posted on 12/10/2005 2:02:21 PM PST by chemicalman

They've become as much a holiday tradition as wreaths and egg nog -- the Salvation Army bell ringers you see around town. But Salvation Army officials say it's getting harder and harder to find places to ring their bells, and it is costing them big.

The Salvation Army says it's getting harder each year to find major businesses willing to allow bell ringers to stand outside their business. Over the past few years, Target, Barnes and Noble, Home Depot and Toys R Us have removed bell ringers from their property. All of those stores had a large customer base willing to drop change into a big red kettle. Nationwide, that's a lot of change that Salvation Army is no longer receiving.

"It's a little more difficult this year," admitted Maj. Mark Satterlee, Salvation Army. "We've had more and more corporations that have decided not to allow the Salvation Army to ring in front of their stores this year, and that always makes it a little more difficult at the local level."

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Extended News; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: Louisiana
KEYWORDS: barnesandnoble; batonrouge; homedepot; katrina; louisiana; salvationarmy; target; toysrus
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1 posted on 12/10/2005 2:02:22 PM PST by chemicalman
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To: chemicalman

After all I seen the Salvation Army do for Louisiana and Mississippi after these past hurricanes, they need the help. Shame on these corporations.


2 posted on 12/10/2005 2:04:06 PM PST by chemicalman (Many have skeletons in their closets. In New Orleans, we have skeletons in our attics.)
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To: chemicalman

I didn't know about home depot


3 posted on 12/10/2005 2:04:28 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: chemicalman

The companies that ban the Salvation Army should understand
that we're making a list and checking it twice,and those names on that list will be boycotted by many.....


4 posted on 12/10/2005 2:05:21 PM PST by Gay State Conservative
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To: chemicalman
Over the past few years, Target, Barnes and Noble, Home Depot and Toys R Us have removed bell ringers from their property.

And I have removed my business from their stores.
5 posted on 12/10/2005 2:06:39 PM PST by advance_copy (Stand for life, or nothing at all)
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To: chemicalman
I am donating to the Salvation Army exclusively from now on.
6 posted on 12/10/2005 2:10:15 PM PST by Vision (“We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the duty of intelligent men")
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To: chemicalman
Can they not set up on sidewalks or curbs like firemen with boots do and receive donations as people drive up? They might have to fight the street people for their turf though.
7 posted on 12/10/2005 2:10:46 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: chemicalman

I feel that anyone who denys the Salvation Army a spot for their bell ringers should be banned. I also feel that people in the areas should write a letter to the editor and explain why you won't shop at a store that won't permit a bell ringer...

If there are enough people in an area, and if you can get a paper to do it, buy a full page ad and explain why you won't shop at a store that won't allow a bell ringer


8 posted on 12/10/2005 2:12:47 PM PST by HarleyLady27 (My ? to libs: "Do they ever shut up on your planet?" "Grow your own DOPE: Plant a LIB!")
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To: chemicalman
I just cannot understand this.

SA is one of the most efficient charity organizations in the country. They have a long heritage of serving the poor and downtrodden. I admire them for their unswerving dedication to charitable goals. They are one of my charities. I give to them directly as I do BSA.

I would like someone to explain to me why these large stores and corporations are behaving in this way.

9 posted on 12/10/2005 2:16:35 PM PST by Banjoguy (I will rot in Hell before I buy another Dell!)
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To: chemicalman
The Salvation Army says it's getting harder each year to find major businesses willing to allow bell ringers to stand outside their business.

Business is feeling that they are more giving than charity.

What a concerning thought that Government and business tote the same attitude.

All that can be said is "Seasons Greetings" without malice.

10 posted on 12/10/2005 2:17:27 PM PST by EGPWS
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To: chemicalman

If you know a teacher, tell him/her to take a religious exemption from forced union dues. The money can go to a charity --- like the Salvation Army.


11 posted on 12/10/2005 2:18:28 PM PST by doug from upland (The troops will come home when the mission is complete)
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To: Salvarm
The Salvation Army is the only charity I trust. I can be more sure of personal one-to-one giving but charity cases are often dangerous to be around.

Though I will say: Ixnay on the ellsbay, already. Shhh..


12 posted on 12/10/2005 2:18:42 PM PST by I see my hands (End Public Noise!)
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To: chemicalman

" Shame on these corporations."

They have no shame.


13 posted on 12/10/2005 2:19:27 PM PST by dljordan
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To: chemicalman

I've been mailing bigger donations to the Salvation Army and not shopping at those stores banning them. I hope others are doing likewise.


14 posted on 12/10/2005 2:21:36 PM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: chemicalman

The Newport Mall in Jersey City (A simon properties mall) had a Salvation Army fellow there today. He was inside too, which was nicer for him.

Didn't give any money today, as I had no small bills, except what I needed to pay their ridiculous parking fee, but hopefully he'll be there throughout the shopping season, so I'll get him next time.


15 posted on 12/10/2005 2:23:28 PM PST by jocon307
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To: Vision

"I am donating to the Savation Army exclusivly from now on"

Me too. I crossed the United Way off my list some time ago.


16 posted on 12/10/2005 2:23:50 PM PST by BnBlFlag (Deo Vindice/Semper Fidelis)
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To: Vision

"I am donating to the Salvation Army exclusively from now on."

Your money will be well spent, that you can be sure of.


17 posted on 12/10/2005 2:24:20 PM PST by jocon307
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To: chemicalman

The Salvation Army has been attacked ever since it has decided against providing domestic partner benefits for its homosexual and unmarried employees in 2001.


18 posted on 12/10/2005 2:26:05 PM PST by bulldozer
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To: chemicalman
The Salvation Army is on the top of our Charities list...

We've abandoned any and all charities that sell out the Boy Scouts, deny Christian activities, promote the mental disease of homosexuality, or have anything to do with the anti American democratic party.

As you can imagine, our givings list is short... The Salvation Army is the one organization that we trust and enable with our dollars, to do the right thing.

19 posted on 12/10/2005 2:38:29 PM PST by JDoutrider (Islam uses the same symbol I have on my outhouse door! Tell ya anything?)
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To: CindyDawg
"I didn't know about home depot"

Did you know that Home Depot enables illegal immigrant labor by setting aside pick-up areas for them?

20 posted on 12/10/2005 2:39:47 PM PST by rimmont
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To: BnBlFlag
In 1986 the company I was working for wrote a new SOP Manuel in November it specifically stated that no solicitation would be permitted. In December the United Way was on the floor asking for donations so I went to the Warehouse manager and explained to him that the company was permitting an infraction of the new policy. The manager and the united way rep spent the next hour trying to explain to me how what they were doing was not soliciting, I haven't given them a dime since that time.
21 posted on 12/10/2005 2:43:37 PM PST by kublia khan (Absolute war brings total victory)
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To: chemicalman
Is there a good list of these stores anywheres? I'm only asking, because if I had a list, then I would know
WHICH STORES TO AVOID, AND NOT SET A FOOT THERE, EVEN BY ACCIDENT!!!!!!
22 posted on 12/10/2005 2:45:19 PM PST by djf (Bush wants to make Iraq like America. Solution: Send all illegal immigrants to Iraq!)
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To: chemicalman

I do not feel sorry for them. I will NEVER give the SA another dime. I went to volunteer through them (as a Christian organization) to help the Katrina victims. We were told we had to attend a 2 hour orientation.

I went to the orientation with my best friend at the SA headquarters in Denver . We were subjected to 2 hours of the most vile PC bilge I have ever heard. Most of the talk was about how living through Katrina was just like slavery, and that being in the Superdome was like being a slave on the middle passage. I belive if you can say this with a straight face, you have no clue what slavery was like, much less the middle passage.

That said, I was willing to sit through that to be able to minister as a Christian to those in need. BUT WAIT--among other things we were told that we would not be able to speak to the evacuees about God--you see they might be mad at God for the hurricane, and we couldn't upset them. You could not even say God bless to them

To alert us to how serious they were about this and may other PC restrictions, they informed us that they had escorted volunteers out of the facilities under armed guard. I wish this rant was sarcasm, but it is not.

The SA has left its Christian roots and become a totally koolaid drinking PC agency. They have seen their last money from me, I will give to the rescue missions instead.


23 posted on 12/10/2005 2:53:28 PM PST by Mom MD
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To: chemicalman
The Mall of Louisiana says they told the Salvation Army in January
they would not allow bell ringers.


That's interesting to know.
The Salvation Army in Jefferson City, MO reported shortages of supplies
for this Thanksgiving...because of diversions to Louisiana
and other hurrican areas.

Nice move Mall of Louisiana. (end sarcasm mode)
24 posted on 12/10/2005 2:53:50 PM PST by VOA
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To: djf

I went to Wal-Mart last week, and there was a S.A. bell
ringer there..i was sort of surprised to see him.
But strangely, he was near the entrance by the
gardening are side, rather than the entrance near
the grocery section side...i wonder if he was told
to set up near that door...Still in all, i gave him
my change as i drove by him on the way out.


25 posted on 12/10/2005 2:54:25 PM PST by Baby Driver
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To: chemicalman

The last time I was at the EEEVILLL WALL-MART store the bell ringers were there.


26 posted on 12/10/2005 2:57:19 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (When someone burns a cross on your lawn, the best firehose is an AK-47.)
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To: chemicalman
I like donating to the Salvation Army, they provide multitude of services for millions of people in every community in the United States.
27 posted on 12/10/2005 2:58:11 PM PST by FreeRep
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
Both the Sam's Club and the Walmart in Fargo ND had bell ringers. I guess that will give the Walmart bashers something to chew on!
28 posted on 12/10/2005 3:02:43 PM PST by Burf (I didnt leave the Republican Party, the Republican Party left me.)
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To: chemicalman

Re: Donations to New Hampshire Salvation Army:

Capt. Travis Delong (603) 352-0607


29 posted on 12/10/2005 3:07:05 PM PST by purpleland (Vigilance and Valor! Socialism is the Opiate of Academia)
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To: kublia khan

After college, my first employer reqired each employee give his/her "fair share" to the United Way. (The "Fair share" was a percentage of your base income). After that sad
experience, I never gave my so-called "fair share" again but I did donate to specific charities through them. After all the PC infected them I ceased any contributions whatsoever to UW.


30 posted on 12/10/2005 3:07:38 PM PST by BnBlFlag (Deo Vindice/Semper Fidelis)
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To: BnBlFlag

I stopped giving when I found out planned parenthood was one of the agencies they supported. I believe they have since dropped PP because of the decrease in giving (this was 10 yrs ago or so)


31 posted on 12/10/2005 3:10:17 PM PST by Mom MD
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To: JDoutrider

Us,too!


32 posted on 12/10/2005 3:13:10 PM PST by ncphinsfan
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To: chemicalman

Shame indeed.


33 posted on 12/10/2005 3:14:24 PM PST by DoughtyOne (MSM: Public support for war waining. 403/3 House vote against pullout vaporizes another lie.)
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To: Burf
Salvation Army bells and red kettles at Kmart in Harrison ,Ohio.

And you can put bills as well as coins in the slot in the top.They are designed so the kettle has to be opened back at the office.

If the post about relief workers for Katrina is correct it is probably imposed by the gov't. There is a concerted effort to stamp out God from America all the while tolerating and exalting "AllAh".Pragmatically speaking I think it better to go with God who sent His only Son.

34 posted on 12/10/2005 3:14:44 PM PST by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a creditcard?)
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To: chemicalman

All I know is that my wife and I will be ringing our bells December 16 from 6 PM until 8 PM at the Krogers in Johnson City, TN near ETSU.

Any FReepers, who wish to visit, should bring some money.


35 posted on 12/10/2005 3:16:32 PM PST by wingman1 (University of Vietnam 1970. Forget? Hell.)
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To: hoosierham

It is correct, and I was floored when I went to the meeting. There were NO government officials at the orientation and it was held at the SA headquarters, so I can only surmise this is SA policy

I heard their management changed 2 years ago and that is when all this started, but I cannot verify that.


36 posted on 12/10/2005 3:16:56 PM PST by Mom MD
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To: Banjoguy

SA is one of the most efficient charity organizations in the country. They have a long heritage of serving the poor and downtrodden. I admire them for their unswerving dedication to charitable goals. They are one of my charities. I give to them directly as I do BSA


They are Christian and Christians are verboten.

Is there behind the scenes pressure from homosexual employees groups?


37 posted on 12/10/2005 3:22:06 PM PST by Chickensoup (Merry Christmas! Merry Christmas! Merry Christmas! Merry Christmas! Merry Christmas! Merry Chri)
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To: Mom MD

This is NOT SA policy.. I can assure you of that.. the person in charge of the orientation you were at does NOT speak for the rest of the organization.. I have close ties with the majority of them stick to Christian principles and aren't swayed by PC morays.


BTW, just to be accurate... Target has reversed its policy regarding bellringers due to pressure from the public. It now allows them.


38 posted on 12/10/2005 3:29:27 PM PST by Awestruck (All the usual suspects)
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To: Awestruck

I hope this is true--because we have a dearth of truly Christian organizations to support. After the holidays I need to do some research, and call the SA and ask them about the orientation. Believe me, I did not post the worst of the PC stuff we had thrown at us, and I would like very much to believe this is not their policy.

Thanks for this info, I will check it out and give them another chance.


39 posted on 12/10/2005 3:32:28 PM PST by Mom MD
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To: chemicalman

Solution:

Donate more to charity this season and spend less on gifts for the grownups.

When the big corporations see that their take is shrinking they'll come around.


40 posted on 12/10/2005 3:39:51 PM PST by InABunkerUnderSF (If your store doesn't have a guy with a red kettle standing in front of it, I'm not shopping there)
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To: djf

Last week there was a SA euphonium player(!?) on station at the Kmart.


41 posted on 12/10/2005 3:49:02 PM PST by pa_dweller (levy = a tax <__> levee = an embankment for protection from floods)
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To: chemicalman
I dumped my change from grocery shopping at a local Krogers (including several dollar bills) in to the pot and did not get so much as a thank you or Merry Christmas. Although I was a little disappointed, I will continue to give.
42 posted on 12/10/2005 3:57:29 PM PST by operation clinton cleanup
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To: Awestruck

Since I heard about the Corporate PC bigots harassing Salvation Army, they are getting a lot more money from me and my family throughout the year. The Boy Scouts gets a lot more money, too.

MomMD's account of the P.C. stuff during Katrina worries me. She should contact the National office and report whoever did this. I would like to see the response.


43 posted on 12/10/2005 4:30:21 PM PST by Galveston Grl (Getting angry and abandoning power to the Democrats is not a choice.)
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To: operation clinton cleanup
I don't give for approval..I'm sure you don't either.

I thank you for giving and wish you a Merry Chrtistmas.

44 posted on 12/10/2005 5:03:32 PM PST by Banjoguy (I will rot in Hell before I buy another Dell!)
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To: Banjoguy
I don't give for approval..I'm sure you don't either.

I was not looking for approval, just an acknowledgment that my contribution was appreciated.

45 posted on 12/10/2005 5:06:19 PM PST by operation clinton cleanup
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To: chemicalman

Corporations that tell the Salvation Army to stay away are telling ME to stay away, too.
And so I will.


46 posted on 12/10/2005 5:08:05 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: advance_copy
Over the past few years, Target, Barnes and Noble, Home Depot and Toys R Us have removed bell ringers from their property.

I'm done with them. Now I need to check out Lowes and Borders. Worse comes to worse I'll buy strictly from Amazon.

47 posted on 12/10/2005 5:12:30 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: chemicalman

In Wisconsin...Culver's Restaurants have the Salvation Army
mini Kettle right in front on the counter next to the cash
register..

Good people... Good food...Sensational Custard


48 posted on 12/10/2005 5:48:04 PM PST by joesnuffy (A camel once bit my sister-we knew just what to do- gather large rocks & squash her-Mullet Ho'mar)
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To: Lancey Howard

I haven't been in a Target since they announced their policy, and I won't go there, I don't care if they were selling 67 Chev Impala convertibles for $50.00!!

Didn't they also at one time do something that really trashed the Boy Scouts? I can't remember exactly...


49 posted on 12/10/2005 5:54:02 PM PST by djf (Bush wants to make Iraq like America. Solution: Send all illegal immigrants to Iraq!)
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To: operation clinton cleanup
Here is a thank you.

I shop my local Kroger several times a week and am pleased to see the bell ringers. I do not need to be noticed when I drop a buck or ten.

50 posted on 12/10/2005 6:02:50 PM PST by don-o (Don't be a Freeploader. Do the right thing. Become a Monthly Donor! '98'er)
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