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John McCain: "Christian Guard at Hua Lo Prison", "helped me understand power of my faith"
amazon.com ^ | December 2005 | John McCain

Posted on 12/10/2005 5:49:29 PM PST by freedomdefender

In Part Four of his new book, "Character is Destiny," McCain writes about his role as chaplain for Christmas service in his Vietnamese prison, and about a guard who snuck in at night to loosen the ropes that bound McCain, and then snuck in in the morning to tighten them before other guards could notice.

The guard said nothing while performing this kindness, but one time, in the yard, "I became aware of him as he walked near me and then, for a moment, stood very close to me. He did not speak or smile or look at me. He just stared at the ground and then, very casually, he used his foot to draw a cross in the dirt. We both stood looking at his work for a minute until he rubbed it out and walked away."


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KEYWORDS: 109th; christians; faith; itsstillmccain; johnmccain; keatingfive; mccain; mccain2008; vote4me
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1 posted on 12/10/2005 5:49:30 PM PST by freedomdefender
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To: freedomdefender

Angels unaware.


2 posted on 12/10/2005 5:52:20 PM PST by i_dont_chat (Houston, TX)
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To: i_dont_chat

A very brave Christian. Such a small mercy would have exacted a terrible price if discovered. May God bless him, wherever he is.


3 posted on 12/10/2005 5:54:00 PM PST by pierrem15
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To: freedomdefender

Perhaps McCain is making obvious Christian statements to gain support for 2008.


4 posted on 12/10/2005 5:57:26 PM PST by xrp (Conservative votes are to Republicans what 90% of black votes are to Democrats (taken for granted))
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To: xrp

"Perhaps McCain is making obvious Christian statements to gain support for 2008."

You dare to doubt his sincerity ?!?!?

(me too.)


5 posted on 12/10/2005 5:59:17 PM PST by strategofr
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To: freedomdefender
And therefore he feels it necessary to wreck, subvert, and disable good and proven policy where ever he finds it -- advocating liberal views on both domestic and international issues while promoting himself as a "moderate republican" the whole time.

But how dare I question his actions when his resume has sooo many items on it, and with a water-mark even!

6 posted on 12/10/2005 5:59:40 PM PST by SteveMcKing ("No empire collapses because of technical reasons. They collapse because they are unnatural.")
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To: freedomdefender

Do I sense a run for president coming up? Sorry if I'm too cynical.


7 posted on 12/10/2005 6:00:04 PM PST by johniegrad
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To: xrp

Perhaps McCain is making obvious Christian statements to gain support for 2008.
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Perhaps??? :-)


8 posted on 12/10/2005 6:03:22 PM PST by EagleUSA
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To: strategofr

me too


9 posted on 12/10/2005 6:04:18 PM PST by bmwcyle (Evolution is a myth -- Libertarians just won't evolve into Conservatives.)
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To: freedomdefender
<sarcasm>What a great story. Christians should forget everything they know about him and vote for him.</sarcasm>
10 posted on 12/10/2005 6:05:23 PM PST by BinaryBoy
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To: freedomdefender

This guy is so full of $hit his eyes are brown. He is a sellout RINO. I would not believe a word he says.


11 posted on 12/10/2005 6:07:52 PM PST by stm
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To: strategofr
Sincerity - not even if it came notarized.
12 posted on 12/10/2005 6:08:01 PM PST by svcw
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To: xrp

he is doing a Hillary, I am not fooled


13 posted on 12/10/2005 6:09:55 PM PST by dubyawhoiluv
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To: freedomdefender
McCain would use something like this for political gain? Nah not good old John McCain!
But that's quite a moving story if true. But I would guess that McCain's chances (At least here in Iowa) would be about 1% of getting any support for 2008.
14 posted on 12/10/2005 6:10:15 PM PST by HereInTheHeartland (Never bring a knife to a gun fight, or a Democrat to do serious work...)
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To: strategofr

This is the way McLame likes his Christians - secretly drawing crosses in the dirt in silence. He loves and is moved by Christians who don't mention it. Christians interfering with the liberal social agenda...well, they are not so lovable to the Media's maverick.


15 posted on 12/10/2005 6:13:31 PM PST by Galveston Grl (Getting angry and abandoning power to the Democrats is not a choice.)
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To: freedomdefender

I've heard similar stories told by Aussie prisoners of
Japan during WWII...one story was of a guard who brought extra food,etc...secretly...so that the other guards wouldn't report him,which would have resulted in execution.


16 posted on 12/10/2005 6:14:19 PM PST by Gay State Conservative
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To: dubyawhoiluv

Yup. They'll do or say anything to get elected.


17 posted on 12/10/2005 6:20:33 PM PST by octobersky
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To: freedomdefender

The Occupational Safety and Health Association has determined that the most dnagerous place in the world to be is between John McCain and a TV camera.


18 posted on 12/10/2005 6:20:41 PM PST by libs_kma (USA: The land of the Free....Because of the Brave!)
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To: HereInTheHeartland

More likely Stockholm Syndrome.


19 posted on 12/10/2005 6:21:42 PM PST by sgtbono2002
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To: HereInTheHeartland

If he treats Iowa the way he did in 2000 most certainly. That was an unwise move to skip it.


20 posted on 12/10/2005 6:22:24 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: xrp
Perhaps McCain is making obvious Christian statements to gain support for 2008.

Unfortunately, that is what crossed my mind too.

He is a media whore as his 'campaign finance reform bill' and his 'terrorism bill' prove.

21 posted on 12/10/2005 6:23:51 PM PST by Dustbunny (Main Stream Media -- Making 'Max Headroom' a reality.)
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To: freedomdefender

McCain's book is sub-titled "Me, Myself and I".


22 posted on 12/10/2005 6:25:43 PM PST by citizencon
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To: strategofr

Me three. Crappola Alert!


23 posted on 12/10/2005 6:34:05 PM PST by Solamente
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To: freedomdefender

Jeezus H. Christ!
Throw a net over me now.
I'm as crazy as the day is long!


24 posted on 12/10/2005 6:34:15 PM PST by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: freedomdefender
Reminds me of The Rapist's photo-op at Normandy, when he made a little cross out of stones that were conveniently piled there for the purpose.
25 posted on 12/10/2005 6:34:29 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam Factoid:After forcing young girls to watch his men execute their fathers, Muhammad raped them.)
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To: Gay State Conservative; freedomdefender
I've heard similar stories told by Aussie prisoners of Japan during WWII...one story was of a guard who brought extra food,etc...secretly...so that the other guards wouldn't report him,which would have resulted in execution.

So there is a possibility that McInsane isn't making this up? Has anyone ever heard him mention this before?

I hate to be cynical, because not every single enemy soldier was rotten, but look who we're talking about.

26 posted on 12/10/2005 6:34:59 PM PST by TheSpottedOwl ("The Less You Have...The More They'll Take"- bf)
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To: freedomdefender
He just stared at the ground and then, very casually, he used his foot to draw a cross in the dirt. We both stood looking at his work for a minute until he rubbed it out and walked away."

That is very moving. God always has his faithful, even in places where the government disallows it. God's kingdom cannot be stopped, ever!

If you have the chance, pick up Wurbrnad's book Tortured for Christ concerning the undergorund Church in Romania and the USSR under Communism.

27 posted on 12/10/2005 6:35:49 PM PST by Zack Nguyen
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To: billorites

Ah, but New Hampshire...
that's where I had them.
They laughed at me and made jokes,
but I proved beyond the shadow of a doubt
and with... geometric logic...


28 posted on 12/10/2005 6:41:53 PM PST by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: xrp

Unfortunately, yeah, that was my first thought as well.

He's still on the outs with Christians because of 2000. Then the judge sell out he orchestrated with his buddy Lott.

G.W.B. has a deep reservoir of identity and trust with people of Faith. His conversion is believed genuine, it's something others connect to. He had that moment when he identified Jesus Christ as his favorite philosopher.

Could be wrong, but everything I know about John McCain makes me disinclined to believe this is anything but an attempt to mimic G.W.B.'s moment in the primaries when that bond was cemented.


29 posted on 12/10/2005 6:42:18 PM PST by Soul Seeker (Mr. President: It is now time to turn over the money changers' tables.)
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To: TheSpottedOwl

"I've heard similar stories told by Aussie prisoners of Japan during WWII"

Where do you think McCain got the idea?


30 posted on 12/10/2005 6:44:33 PM PST by strategofr
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To: strategofr
Where do you think McCain got the idea?

Ohhhhh : (

That totally figures. Wait a minute, maybe this could account for the fact that McInsane came out of the camp heavier than when he went in?

31 posted on 12/10/2005 6:48:15 PM PST by TheSpottedOwl ("The Less You Have...The More They'll Take"- bf)
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To: everyone

I am no admirer of McCain the political figure -- he seems to do the Democrats' bidding just about every time they really need him.

However, I don't believe he'd make up a story about his captivity. He is not that lacking in dignity.

The story should be assumed to be true, and it's a wonderful one.


32 posted on 12/10/2005 6:49:22 PM PST by California Patriot
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To: freedomdefender
Sounds like a Clinton making a cross with strategically place rocks on Normandy beach. I don't buy McCain's storytelling.
33 posted on 12/10/2005 6:50:01 PM PST by operation clinton cleanup
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Oops, you beat me to it... It rings as a phoney recollection.. unless he has mentioned it before.
34 posted on 12/10/2005 6:53:45 PM PST by operation clinton cleanup
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To: TheSpottedOwl

"Wait a minute, maybe this could account for the fact that McInsane came out of the camp heavier than when he went in?"

You know, McCain's father was some hugely important guy. Now I remember seeing McCain talk about this. He said the North Vietnamese asked him if he wanted special treatment in the prison camp in deference to his connections. McCain said, "no." Well, you know, if they have to ask you if you're getting special treatment or not--- you're getting it.


35 posted on 12/10/2005 6:54:17 PM PST by strategofr
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To: strategofr

Add my name to the list as well. . .


36 posted on 12/10/2005 6:54:21 PM PST by cricket (No Freedom - No Peace)
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To: dubyawhoiluv
he is doing a Hillary

At least he hasn't claimed he recently found out that he is Jewish, and a Yankee Fan.

37 posted on 12/10/2005 6:54:29 PM PST by Mr. Brightside
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To: HereInTheHeartland
But that's quite a moving story if true.

And apparently I am one of the few who believe this story. It is hard to even imagine the uplifting this action would have on a POW. I refuse to be cynical and will give him the benefit of the doubt.

A fantastic story... (and I am not a McCain supporter)!

38 posted on 12/10/2005 6:56:21 PM PST by CommandoFrank (Peer into the depths of hell and there you will find the face of Islam...)
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To: California Patriot
The story should be assumed to be true, and it's a wonderful one.

I do not doubt the story. . .I do doubt; it's long-term impact. . .

39 posted on 12/10/2005 6:57:03 PM PST by cricket (No Freedom - No Peace)
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To: freedomdefender

Wow, this revelation of McCains makes me feel all warm and fuzzy. I wonder how much of it is true? I read his autobiography in 1999, and he didn't mention this loosening of ropes in that book. I wonder why. Is McCain undergoing a Kerryesque selective memory enhancement about his war years?

Grain of Salt here!


40 posted on 12/10/2005 7:05:48 PM PST by Candor7 (Into Liberal Flatulence Goes the Hope of the West)
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To: CommandoFrank; All
And apparently I am one of the few who believe this story. It is hard to even imagine the uplifting this action would have on a POW.

As I mentioned. . .I don't doubt the story. . .necessarily - but rather, it's long-term impact. . .did he EVER mention this before. . .the affect this had on his life etc. . .

Would like to know if this happened with other American prisoners in this camp. . .and wonder also; how many Christian Vietnamese/Viet-Cong there were actually - even amongst the general population.

Remember reading some of the POW's, McCain 'served' with; were neither friends then. . .nor are they fans, now. . .

41 posted on 12/10/2005 7:07:06 PM PST by cricket (No Freedom - No Peace)
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To: freedomdefender; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; mhking; Memother; Alamo-Girl; chesty_puller; GRRRRR; ...

I was wondering when the John McCain buildup threads were gonna start shis must be close to the first of many to come.

Comb your hair john brush your pearly whites your about to get your Godsize picture taken !


42 posted on 12/10/2005 7:09:49 PM PST by ATOMIC_PUNK (secus acutulus exspiro ab Acheron bipes actio absol ab Acheron supplico)
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To: cricket

Yes, I doubt its long-term impact, too. I don't think McCain can win the GOP nomination, and sure hope he doesn't.


43 posted on 12/10/2005 7:10:03 PM PST by California Patriot
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To: Candor7; All
Is McCain undergoing a Kerryesque selective memory enhancement about his war years? Grain of Salt here!

Agree. . .and a grain of doubt, does not hurt either.

The reality is. . .every new candidate with Lib leanings/history; knows he needs a Christian or compassionate 'catch'. . .and had better hone one. . .or hint at one. . .whatever.

McCain is easily seen as duplicitous. . .and self-serving and has a real lust for the power of the Presidency.

With that calculation. . .anything possible here.

44 posted on 12/10/2005 7:14:17 PM PST by cricket (No Freedom - No Peace)
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To: freedomdefender

I absolutely HATE it when this guy extorts his veteranism or POW stuff. Any vet I now worth his salt never ever ever discusses his/her service. EVER. You look at them, they look at you, and you just respect them. Thats it.

This guy is, well, the Moderator won't let me say it (and keep my post).


45 posted on 12/10/2005 7:17:49 PM PST by Mrs. Shawnlaw (Rock beats scissors, don't run with rocks. NRA)
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To: freedomdefender

The beauty of this type of comment out of McCain, is how can you challenge it? I've laid off comments about his imprisonment for much the same reason. I wasn't there and don't know all the facts. He could say J.C. Himself came to visit him in the P.O.W. prision, and I'd have to stand back and wonder...

I can't put my finger on it precisely, but something about John McCain rings as phoney as a three dollar bill. I don't trust him and most often find myself thinking he's only in this for his own personal gain. Perhaps it's the fact that he gets his mug on the tube more than anyone I know of.

I don't want John McCain anywhere near the White House in an offical capacity of any kind. That being said, some of the people I've supported have screwed the pooch as far as I am concerned. Who knows, John McCain might surprise me in the other direction if given a chance.

You will NEVER catch me voting for John McCain. If we can't find anybody better than him to loft, we can just lose for all I care.

If he's our candidate in 2008 against Hillary, I'm on the record right now that I will not vote. Republican leaders, if you're scared to death of a Hillary presidency, you best not loft John McCain.


46 posted on 12/10/2005 7:24:13 PM PST by DoughtyOne (MSM: Public support for war waining. 403/3 House vote against pullout vaporizes another lie.)
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To: cricket
did he EVER mention this before. . .

That is a good point and needs answering. If it was never brought out before, then we have reason to wonder about his motives in bringing it out now.

47 posted on 12/10/2005 7:27:35 PM PST by CommandoFrank (Peer into the depths of hell and there you will find the face of Islam...)
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To: freedomdefender
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't McCain a reliable conservative in Senate until he nurtured his ambition to be a president in late 1990s?
48 posted on 12/10/2005 7:28:14 PM PST by paudio (Merry Christmas)
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To: strategofr

Too much like slick willie's just happening to find the stones to make the cross on the beach at Normandy.


49 posted on 12/10/2005 7:32:57 PM PST by OldFriend (The Dems enABLEd DANGER and 3,000 Americans died.)
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To: California Patriot
Yes, I doubt its long-term impact, too. I don't think McCain can win the GOP nomination, and sure hope he doesn't

I really meant the 'long-term impact' of this Christian awakening he refers to. . .did it disappear when he returned and divorced his wife. . .or perhaps it was more a hindsight; or did this memory 'grow' with significance. . .and only now. . .is making a significant impact, albeit political perhaps. . .

I agree with your conclusion here; do not think he can win GOP either. . . but given time frame. . .who can say. . .

Then there is the Demrat ticket or 'independent'. . .McCain could be a real spoiler.

Agree with Rush. . .we should trade him in for Lieberman. . .

50 posted on 12/10/2005 7:34:43 PM PST by cricket (No Freedom - No Peace)
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