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Schwarzenegger still undecided on clemency
Reuters on Yahoo ^ | 12/10/05 | Reuters

Posted on 12/10/2005 7:13:38 PM PST by NormsRevenge

SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger will not decide on Saturday whether to grant clemency to former Crips gang leader Stanley Tookie Williams, who is slated to be executed on Tuesday for murdering four people in 1979, his office said.

Barring clemency or last-minute court intervention, officials will administer a lethal injection to Williams at 12:01 a.m. on Tuesday in the death chamber at San Quentin State Prison.

The case has generated widespread interest and fierce debate over the death penalty in the United States because Williams, 51, has written a series of books warning young people against gangs and says he has found redemption.

His supporters have said he should be spared so he can continue his anti-gang work from behind bars.

The governor's office told Reuters that Schwarzenegger would not be making a decision on Saturday and gave no indication of when he would.

Following a clemency hearing on Thursday, Schwarzenegger said the decision was a "heavy responsibility" and he was carefully studying all sides of the issue.

Granting clemency would be a risk for Schwarzenegger, weakened by a stinging loss on all his initiatives in a special election he called last month, as it could alienate his Republican party.

But it could help boost his flagging popularity in a state where Democrats are the largest party as he looks to reelection in 2006.

U.S. governors typically stay executions because of doubts over evidence in the case or fairness of the trial rather than because of redemption. Williams has said he did not commit the murders, but said he hurt many people as leader of the Crips gang in the Los Angeles area.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; clemency; schwarzenegger; stanleywilliams; tookie; tookiewilliams; undecided
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1 posted on 12/10/2005 7:13:38 PM PST by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

All I can say is if Ahhnold lets Dookie live then he is the ultimate girlie man


2 posted on 12/10/2005 7:15:54 PM PST by Cubs Fan (Liberals have the inverse midas touch, everything they get a hold of turns to S&*%)
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To: NormsRevenge

On the one hand, on the other hand..............


3 posted on 12/10/2005 7:15:58 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker
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To: NormsRevenge

Republicans still undecided on Schwarzenegger's abilities


4 posted on 12/10/2005 7:16:24 PM PST by TeenagedConservative
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To: NormsRevenge

This undated photo provided by the California Attorney General's Office shows Albert Owens. Stanley Tookie Williams was convicted and sentenced to death for the murder of Owens at a 7-Eleven in Whittier, Calif., in 1979. He's scheduled to die by lethal injection Tuesday, but has asked Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger to grant clemency and reduce his sentence to life in prison without parole. (AP Photo/California Attorney Generals Office)


5 posted on 12/10/2005 7:18:22 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Monthly Donor spoken Here. Go to ... https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: NormsRevenge
California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger will not decide on Saturday whether to grant clemency to former Crips gang leader Stanley Tookie Williams, who is slated to be executed on Tuesday for murdering four people in 1979, his office said.

He should wait until Wednesday to decide.

6 posted on 12/10/2005 7:18:58 PM PST by isthisnickcool (America!)
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To: NormsRevenge

It's time to flush the Dookie


7 posted on 12/10/2005 7:19:37 PM PST by Cubs Fan (Liberals have the inverse midas touch, everything they get a hold of turns to S&*%)
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To: NormsRevenge

If Arnold doesn't know by now what he should do, he might as well just toss a coin. What more does he have to consider that he hasn't already?



8 posted on 12/10/2005 7:19:53 PM PST by LibFreeOrDie (L'chaim!)
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To: NormsRevenge

If the death penalty had been carried out on a timely basis he wouldn't have written any books and there wouldn't be anything to consider now.

Stick the needle in him and get it over with.


9 posted on 12/10/2005 7:21:19 PM PST by dalereed
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To: NormsRevenge

The night before he went on the Leno show and announced, everybody was sayin there was no way he was gonna run.

But I had a feeling deep down that there was no way he would pass on running.

My hunch is this time he might already be calling the neighboring States and asking about National Guard men for the LA area, and he's gonna not gonna grant clemency.

There must be odd on this in Vegas, anybody hear any reports?


10 posted on 12/10/2005 7:21:47 PM PST by djf (Bush wants to make Iraq like America. Solution: Send all illegal immigrants to Iraq!)
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To: NormsRevenge

"The case has generated widespread interest and fierce debate over the death penalty in the United States because Williams, 51, has written a series of books warning young people against gangs and says he has found redemption."

I guess that's the new sentence for committing murder, then. Writing some books. I guess maybe we should just make Saddam write an essay on why what he did was wrong for his fellow dictators and call it even.


11 posted on 12/10/2005 7:22:39 PM PST by Sofa King (A wise man uses compromise as an alternative to defeat. A fool uses it as an alternative to victory.)
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To: NormsRevenge

I'll tell you what, Norm, if Arnie commutes that SOB I'll join up with the ilk!


12 posted on 12/10/2005 7:22:48 PM PST by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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To: LibFreeOrDie

He didn't want LA to burn down over the weekend.

Wait til the middle of the week for that.


13 posted on 12/10/2005 7:23:51 PM PST by digger48
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To: NormsRevenge

Arnold isn't going to grant clemency, if he was he would have done it already. He is holding off because of the riot threat, he will wait until the last minute and maybe not say anything at all because he doesn't have to. This of course is just MO.


14 posted on 12/10/2005 7:24:24 PM PST by calex59 (Seeing the light shouldn't make you blind...)
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To: isthisnickcool

I gave arnold a pass on his chief of staff pick because she will be their only as long as he is.

But him picking that rino for a judge was a middle finger to all conservatives. What a disgrave to replace janice rogers brown with a former democrat.

Him picking that rino judge was far worse than anything he will do with tookie or his chief of staff.


15 posted on 12/10/2005 7:24:55 PM PST by johnmecainrino
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To: djf

I posted this earlier today:
Bet half the people here want Arnold to let Tookie off so that they can get off blasting the Gov.


16 posted on 12/10/2005 7:25:17 PM PST by bybybill (GOD help us if the Rats win)
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To: isthisnickcool

I agree. This is too important to rush a decision.


17 posted on 12/10/2005 7:26:35 PM PST by DoughtyOne (MSM: Public support for war waining. 403/3 House vote against pullout vaporizes another lie.)
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To: bybybill

I'll bet they don't. We all want to see this jerk die.


18 posted on 12/10/2005 7:27:16 PM PST by calex59 (Seeing the light shouldn't make you blind...)
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To: NormsRevenge
He has found redemption, so he should be ready for his chat with God.
Arnold opens the wrong can of worms with Tookie if he stays the death penalty here.
He will cause all equal or lesser DP cases to require the same consideration and clemency if he does that.

Not good for California and give too much power to the gangs.
IMO it says we are scared of the gangs instead of making them pay for their evil deeds.
19 posted on 12/10/2005 7:28:25 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: NormsRevenge


EXCELLENT post, Norm.
GOOD to remember his victims.


20 posted on 12/10/2005 7:30:17 PM PST by onyx ((Vicksburg, MS) North is a direction. South is a way of life.)
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To: NormsRevenge
Schwarzenegger's decision of William's appeal for clemency should not be a litmus test of political acceptability. The decision can certainly be a factor in deciding his suitability to govern but is not worthy of a single issue decision.

What should weigh heavily on the conscience of conservatives is how we, as citizens, let our society draw out the process of the execution of an ostensibly just sentence. That we, collectively, have saddled our governor with this grave decision, more than 20 years after the fact, should consume our outrage, not his decision if we judge it to be contrary to our principles.

21 posted on 12/10/2005 7:30:59 PM PST by Amerigomag
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To: djf

Interesting thoughts. If Arnold announced no clemency today, unexpectedly, the police would be unprepared for the emotional response.


22 posted on 12/10/2005 7:31:49 PM PST by Darkwolf377 (We need HRC for President like Michael Moore needs a Burger King franchise)
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To: bybybill


I disagree. I think Arnold's critics would much prefer to see Tookie executed.


23 posted on 12/10/2005 7:32:11 PM PST by onyx ((Vicksburg, MS) North is a direction. South is a way of life.)
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To: isthisnickcool
He should wait until Wednesday to decide

The weather is going to be nicer on Thursday. He could make his announcement out on the Capitol lawn.

24 posted on 12/10/2005 7:35:13 PM PST by yooling (I don't have anything nice to say...)
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To: NormsRevenge
The best thing for Arnold to do is make no statement until after the execution. Saying "no" just gives the media and so-called activists time to drum up a riot or some nutty legal challenge.
25 posted on 12/10/2005 7:38:20 PM PST by Mad_as_heck (The MSM - America's (domestic) public enemy #1.)
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To: calex59; onyx

Just watch what happens here if Tookie doesn`t get what he deserves


26 posted on 12/10/2005 7:40:40 PM PST by bybybill (GOD help us if the Rats win)
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To: DoughtyOne; isthisnickcool

The man has been CONDEMNED by a jury for four murders. There is no doubt that he committed cold blooded murder.

Where is our sense of moral outrage that demands justice swift and sure?

Execution is the harshest possible punishment and is necessary in a case like this. It will serve as an example to others that human lives are still precious to society.


27 posted on 12/10/2005 7:42:55 PM PST by The Spirit Of Allegiance (SAVE THE BRAINFOREST! Boycott the RED Dead Tree Media & NUKE the DNC Class Action Temper Tantrum!)
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To: Mad_as_heck

Wouldn't surprise me if he lets the execution go through, and makes it plain that part of his decision is because he ain't gonna get blackmailed by a buncha thugs!


28 posted on 12/10/2005 7:45:17 PM PST by djf (Bush wants to make Iraq like America. Solution: Send all illegal immigrants to Iraq!)
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To: Blurblogger
Like I said, Arnold should wait until Wednesday to decide.

The Tookie Monster, of course, gets needled Tuesday.

29 posted on 12/10/2005 7:47:45 PM PST by isthisnickcool (America!)
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To: calex59

Who is going to riot-a bunch of old white liberals?
South Central is mostly Mexican now and they could care less about a black con.
If anything goes down it will be INSIDE the prison system where a lot of Crips will be looking for payback.


30 posted on 12/10/2005 7:49:24 PM PST by Riverman94610
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To: NormsRevenge

The governor needs to look at this photo for a long time before he decides on his clemency ruling! Tooskie destroyed this human as decided by a court of law.......


31 posted on 12/10/2005 7:49:26 PM PST by eeriegeno
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To: isthisnickcool

Your sense of timing is dead on the money, or gurney.


32 posted on 12/10/2005 7:52:19 PM PST by The Spirit Of Allegiance (SAVE THE BRAINFOREST! Boycott the RED Dead Tree Media & NUKE the DNC Class Action Temper Tantrum!)
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To: eeriegeno

Is the Governor required to specifically announce he's NOT granting clemency (if that's his decision)? Can Arnold hide behind a wall of silence until the executions goes ahead?


33 posted on 12/10/2005 7:53:36 PM PST by Ciexyz (Let us always remember, the Lord is in control.)
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To: NormsRevenge

"Took, took, tookie, gooooooodbyyyyyyye..."


34 posted on 12/10/2005 7:54:40 PM PST by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything.")
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To: NormsRevenge

He's already a girlie man. The jury found him guilty and sentence was pronounced. Rule of law. And he should say just that.


35 posted on 12/10/2005 7:55:51 PM PST by daybreakcoming (May God bless those who enter the valley of the shadow of death so that we may see the light of day.)
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To: NormsRevenge
Granting clemency to Tookie The Murderer Williams would be reason for impeachment.
36 posted on 12/10/2005 7:58:21 PM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: Amerigomag

"Schwarzenegger's decision of William's appeal for clemency should not be a litmus test of political acceptability."

Try "The straw that broke the camel's back".


37 posted on 12/10/2005 7:58:57 PM PST by Sofa King (A wise man uses compromise as an alternative to defeat. A fool uses it as an alternative to victory.)
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To: Revolting cat!

You got it! Thanks!


38 posted on 12/10/2005 7:59:06 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Monthly Donor spoken Here. Go to ... https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Riverman94610
Who is going to riot-a bunch of old white liberals?

African Americans(a select few) have already made the threat. It doesn't have to be south central. His rap buddy said grant clemency or else! His very words. Sounds like a threat to me!

BTW if you think a riot isn't possible then you are living in a dream world. Old white guys? Where the hell do you live?

39 posted on 12/10/2005 8:04:45 PM PST by calex59 (Seeing the light shouldn't make you blind...)
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To: NormsRevenge

A friend of mine who works in the prison system says the rumor is that if Tookie is put to death, the Crips will try to kill one guard in each prison.


40 posted on 12/10/2005 8:10:52 PM PST by Honestfreedom
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To: Honestfreedom

Then the guards should retaliate.


41 posted on 12/10/2005 8:25:31 PM PST by RWCon
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To: LibFreeOrDie

You are absolutely correct. This case is a no brainer. This animal should be sent to kingdom come, the sooner the better. Arnold should have acted on this immediately. A decision to let this killer off the hook will be the end of Arnie's political career. And, any idiot like the above writer, that says Arnie will gain political favor among Democrats if he grants clemency is smoking reefer. Fact is: No one, and I mean, no one gives a damn about "Tookie" except the nutcases that don't have a clue!!!


42 posted on 12/10/2005 8:28:19 PM PST by JLAGRAYFOX
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To: Honestfreedom

Yea and dont flash your brights at someone with thier lights off


43 posted on 12/10/2005 8:48:50 PM PST by al baby (Father of the beeber)
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To: al baby

I still don't understand why anyone who claims to be a "crip" or a "blood" isn't declared fair game and taken out with the trash.

Semper Fi


44 posted on 12/10/2005 9:11:17 PM PST by river rat (You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: river rat


Ditto.


45 posted on 12/10/2005 9:13:43 PM PST by onyx ((Vicksburg, MS) North is a direction. South is a way of life.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Of course he's decided! He just hasn't decided to let the msm in on it yet. They also have to get their Guard troops in place should chaos ensue.

He'd better do the right thing and DENY CLEMENCY.


46 posted on 12/10/2005 9:28:19 PM PST by goresalooza (Nurses Rock!)
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To: NormsRevenge

I think he's gonna decide after Toothless Tookie is juiced.

What's taking the terminator so long to terminate this mutant's life?


47 posted on 12/10/2005 9:30:09 PM PST by Baraonda (Demographic is destiny. Don't hire 3rd world illegal aliens nor support businesses that hire them.)
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To: NormsRevenge

"Following a clemency hearing on Thursday, Schwarzenegger said the decision was a "heavy responsibility" and he was carefully studying all sides of the issue."

I think he's a first class triple A girly-man.

The guy is too scared to make a decision. He's weak.


48 posted on 12/10/2005 9:32:07 PM PST by Baraonda (Demographic is destiny. Don't hire 3rd world illegal aliens nor support businesses that hire them.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Thanks for posting this young man's photo.

America must know.


49 posted on 12/10/2005 9:34:35 PM PST by Baraonda (Demographic is destiny. Don't hire 3rd world illegal aliens nor support businesses that hire them.)
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To: calex59

"he will wait until the last minute and maybe not say anything at all because he doesn't have to."

That has been my hunch all along. I don't think he's gonna decide one way or another and the mutant will be juiced.


50 posted on 12/10/2005 9:38:57 PM PST by Baraonda (Demographic is destiny. Don't hire 3rd world illegal aliens nor support businesses that hire them.)
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