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Shazam! What Took So Long?
Citizen Soldier ^ | December 2005 | Stella L. Jatras

Posted on 12/11/2005 2:57:01 AM PST by Doctor13

What took so long for it to become obvious that Bosnia and other parts of the Balkans are the launching pad for terrorist attacks in Europe?

The Washington Post writes on 1 December, "Terrorist Cells Find Foothold in Balkans." What a revelation! The fact is, Bosnia became a launching pad as far back as 1992 when the Bosnian Muslim government of Alija Izetbegovic - the government that was supported by the Clinton administration - issued a passport to Osama bin Laden which he used to visit Bosnia and Kosovo on several occasions.

More and more newspapers are finally beginning to expose Bosnia's connection to terrorism cells. A UPI article in The Washington Times of 1 December headlined "Balkans seen as terrorist training ground" reported:

Recent arrests confirm the belief that parts of the Balkans are becoming a launching pad for terrorist attacks in Europe, authorities say. One example came in an apartment occupied by an underground group aiming to blow up the British Embassy in Sarajevo, Western intelligence officials told The Washington Post. There they found explosives, rifles, other arms and a videotape pledging vengeance for the "brothers" killed fighting Americans in Afghanistan and Iraq. Islamic radicals reportedly want to create cells of so-called 'white' al-Qaida, non-Arab members who can avoid racial profiling used to spot potential terrorists.

In 2003, Brendan O'Neill wrote in The [UK] Spectator, "The Bosnian war taught Islamic terrorists to operate abroad. For all the millions of words written about al-Qaeda since the 9/11 attacks two years ago, one phenomenon is consistently overlooked -- the role of the Bosnian war in transforming the mujahedin of the 1980s into the roving Islamic terrorists today."

Will these latest revelations receive as little attention as the report in 1996 in The Houston Chronicle when NATO forces uncovered a terrorist training camp in Bosnia with weapons and explosives? Most disturbing was a cache of ingenious bombs - some made out of children's toys." (my emphasis) Also discovered was a satellite dish giving the mujahedin the capability to communicate between Bosnia and Iran.

The Houston Chronicle further stated that U.S. Admiral Leighton Smith, commander of NATO forces in Bosnia, said as he toured the area, "No one can escape the obvious, that there is terrorist training activity going on in this building and it has direct association with people in the government," referring to the Bosnian Muslim government.

But it gets even more bizarre. Discovered also was a makeup room with charts instructing how to change eye color using contact lenses, peroxide bottles to alter hair color, and a dozen beards and mustaches to use as disguises. In classrooms, instructors had laid out mock-ups of installations. Notebooks detailed the daily lives of possible targets and manuals showed how to build bombs out of children's toys. "There is no military value to these types of devices; rigging toys is an act of terror," (my emphasis) said Col Brian Hoey, a NATO spokesman. His fellow spokesman, Col. John T. Kirkwood, added: "I never saw John Wayne rip the head off a plastic doll and throw it." (my emphasis)

President Bush accuses Iran of sending armed insurgents into Iraq, but where was the outrage when a 1997 Senate Republican Policy Committee report stated, "Clinton-Approved Iranian Arms Transfers Help Turn Bosnia into Militant Islamic Base"? While exposing the Iranian connection to the Balkan war, the report also states that "Perhaps most threatening to the SFOR mission - and more importantly, to the safety of the American personnel serving in Bosnia - is the unwillingness of the Clinton Administration to come clean with the Congress and with the American people about its complicity in the delivery of weapons from Iran to the Muslim government in Sarajevo."

The Italian news agency AKI headlines, "Bosnia: Muslim Newspaper Points to Existence of Islamic Terror Camps," writes, "Sarajevo, 30 August (AKI) - A Bosnian Muslim newspaper on Tuesday joined a chorus of mostly Serbian news reports on the existence of training camps for Islamic terrorists, accusing the international community of closing its eyes in front of this danger. The weekly Slobodna Bosna (Free Bosnia), whose editor is Senad Avdic, a moderate Muslim, in its latest issue described in detail how and where the alleged terrorist camps operate in Bosnia. The paper criticised the commander of the international forces in Bosnia (Eufor) David Leaky for his recent statement that he had no knowledge of the existence of such camps.

"In the article titled 'The Commander of Eufor in Bosnia David Leaky is Playing Dumb', the paper said that there was no point in presenting the facts to the 'uninformed general. 'Is he (Leaky) really uninformed, which is hard to believe, or is he conscientiously deceiving the local public, like most Western politicians who serve in Bosnia and advocate the thesis that the best thing for world security is that all terrorists be concentrated in one place, in Bosnia, where they can be kept under control?', the paper asked. The paper quoted former UN representative in Bosnia, Jacques Klein, as having confirmed to the Security Council that Islamic terrorists were active in Bosnia, but added that it was good they were concentrated in one place, because 'the rest of the world would be safe'."

Let me repeat that idiotic statement by one of the UN's high representatives, "The paper quoted former UN representative in Bosnia, Jacques Klein, as having confirmed to the Security Council that Islamic terrorists were active in Bosnia, but added that it was good they were concentrated in one place, because 'the rest of the world would be safe'." Personally, I always thought that Jacques Klein somewhat resembled Joseph Goebbels, Hitler's Propaganda Minister, in facial appearance, with his pointy nose, etc., but then that's just my observation. Goebbels is the one who coined the phrase "If you tell a lie enough times, it becomes accepted as truth, and, the bigger the lie, the more likely it is to be accepted."

The New York Times of 3 December in an article, "Police Raid Raises Fears of Bosnia as Haven for Terrorists," writes, "A recent police raid on an apartment near this city's airport uncovered evidence of an imminent suicide bombing, intensifying the fears of Western security services that Bosnia is becoming a haven for Islamic militants.

Therefore, it is safe to say Bosnia is the birthplace of Al-Qaeda. At the time, Bosnia's Islamic terrorism was focused against the Serbian people, and therefore "justified." But if al-Qaeda could succeed in Bosnia, it could succeed anywhere in the world. Today, their terrorism is aimed at the American people. If only the Clinton administration had taken serious action against known Islamic terrorists in Bosnia when he had the chance, perhaps 9/11 would not have happened.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: alqaeda; alqaedabalkans; antichristian; appeasement; balkans; bosnia; clintonistas; clintonlegacy; clintonsquagmire; globaljihad; islamofascists; izetbegovic; sorosfluffers; terroristcells; wrongplace; wrongside; wrongtime; wrongwar
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1 posted on 12/11/2005 2:57:03 AM PST by Doctor13
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To: Doctor13

Big shocker that his is going on because the Saudis have been funding mosques with whahabi clerics and madrass schools in Bosnia.



2 posted on 12/11/2005 3:00:52 AM PST by Proud_USA_Republican (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. - Hillary Clinton)
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To: Doctor13; fastattacksailor; swordfish71; broadsword; Nesher; Fred Nerks; jan in Colorado; ...
Good post, Doc.

Clin-toon legacy PING!

3 posted on 12/11/2005 4:03:40 AM PST by Former Dodger ( "Insanity: Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." --Einstein)
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To: Former Dodger
Thx for the ping, FD. I thought the following sounded strangely familiar...

The paper quoted former UN representative in Bosnia, Jacques Klein, as having confirmed to the Security Council that Islamic terrorists were active in Bosnia, but added that it was good they were concentrated in one place, because 'the rest of the world would be safe'."

4 posted on 12/11/2005 4:20:14 AM PST by Dark Skies ("A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants." -- Churchill)
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To: Doctor13

"Goebbels is the one who coined the phrase "If you tell a lie enough times, it becomes accepted as truth, and, the bigger the lie, the more likely it is to be accepted"

An observation that American politicians of every stripe have taken to heart with gusto. Time to mourn.


5 posted on 12/11/2005 4:41:03 AM PST by Spirited
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To: Spirited

former UN representative in Bosnia, Jacques Klein, as having confirmed to the Security Council that Islamic terrorists were active in Bosnia, but added that it was good they were concentrated in one place, because 'the rest of the world would be safe'." - French?


6 posted on 12/11/2005 4:43:28 AM PST by stocksthatgoup (Polls = Proof that when the MSM want your opinion it will give it to you.)
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To: Doctor13
Clinton bombed Serbia (the Christians) on behalf of the KLA (Ben Lauden and the Muslims).

The thank you from the Muslims was 911.

7 posted on 12/11/2005 5:42:56 AM PST by Mark was here (How can they be called "Homeless" if their home is a field?.)
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To: Doctor13

And of course we have troops in Bosnia...to protect the Muslims.


8 posted on 12/11/2005 5:43:06 AM PST by RedRover
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To: zagor-te-nej; Lion in Winter; Honorary Serb; jb6; Incorrigible; DTA; ma bell; joan; vooch; ...

A ping to the Islamofascist reality in the Balkans.


9 posted on 12/11/2005 8:20:30 AM PST by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: FormerLib
  Some desperately tried to warn us....
10 posted on 12/11/2005 8:31:11 AM PST by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: Doctor13; Stephen Schwartz
Steve, you better read this because it may you cure that disease you have, your islamic yellow journalism has no place here.
11 posted on 12/11/2005 9:38:42 AM PST by montyspython (Love that chicken from Popeye's)
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To: tgambill
Hey Tom, Steve is one funny guy, he's a muslim trying to pass himself off as a Jew. Dhimmis never cease to amaze me.
12 posted on 12/11/2005 9:41:11 AM PST by montyspython (Love that chicken from Popeye's)
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To: montyspython

that's Curious. I'm going to cut and paste this for a post going to mark502inf. Good timing for this flag...thanks.


13 posted on 12/11/2005 10:10:11 AM PST by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: Doctor13; mark502inf; montyspython; ma bell

Good post.....

Mark, this is what I was talking about. I can say, case in point; reference our current conversation on "Bosnia Croat Killer Goes to Jail".


14 posted on 12/11/2005 10:16:12 AM PST by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: FormerLib

clinton Legacy Bump!


15 posted on 12/11/2005 10:46:47 AM PST by F-117A
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To: Doctor13
Bosnia became a launching pad as far back as 1992 when the Bosnian Muslim government of Alija Izetbegovic … supported by the Clinton administration

Uh, Stella, better tighten up the talking points; Clinton wasn’t president in 1992.

[Bosnia] issued a passport to Osama bin Laden which he used to visit Bosnia and Kosovo on several occasions.

Nope. There is zero evidence that bin Laden ever visited Kosovo or Bosnia. And the bin Laden Bosnian passport story, much beloved of Serbs trying to gain exculpation for their murderous ethnic cleansing campaigns by associating them with our war on terror, is tenuous at best. It comes from the Bosnian weekly “Dani’s” story in 1999 that the Bosnian Embassy in Vienna MAY have issued a passport to bin Laden in 1993. Follow the link and you will see that the bin Laden Bosnian passport story is based on anonymous sources and destroyed documents, the “sources” themselves are unclear as to whether it was even issued, and that in any event, the officials at the embassy in 1993 would not even have known who bin Laden was. Even this guy’s stories were more convincing.

16 posted on 12/11/2005 3:24:34 PM PST by mark502inf
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To: Doctor13
Stella, since you say Iran connections with the Balkans 12 years ago were bad, these articles from the past year must really upset you:

Iran, Serbia sign five agreements

Iran, Serbia have solid economic, trade potentials

17 posted on 12/11/2005 3:28:25 PM PST by mark502inf
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To: Doctor13
Therefore, it is safe to say Bosnia is the birthplace of Al-Qaeda

Ridiculous. Al qaeda was conceived in the Arab Middle East and born in Afghanistan. And without the Serb ethnic cleansing campaigns against the Bosnians in the early 90s, it is doubtful that any al qaeda would ever have found their way to the Balkans.

18 posted on 12/11/2005 3:34:38 PM PST by mark502inf
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To: tgambill
Tom, so far we have had good cooperation with the Bosnian government on interdicting terrorists in Bosnia and preventing attacks. Hopefully we will ocntinue to have successes as outlined in Stella's article above. Stella's pro-Serb agenda causes her to embellish her columns with some pretty goofy stuff (as covered in the posts immediately above), but the base idea that we need to pay attention to the Balkans in order to prevent al Qaeda setting up base there is valid.

The Bush Admiinistration policy to that end is to ensure regional stabilty by preventing a recurrence of the 1990s wars, establish a stronger central governemnt in Bosnia that can better direct internal security, catalyze the Kosovo status talks to end the uncertainty & potential for further instability, build up local police structures, and provide an ongoing--albeit much smaller--military & securtiy presence while encouraging the Europeans to shoulder more of the load.

As long as the extremist nationlists from any of the sides stay marginalized, that strategy will work.

19 posted on 12/11/2005 3:55:36 PM PST by mark502inf
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To: mark502inf
mark, history of islamic encroachment in the balkans (bosnia, serbian krajina and serbia) is rife with examples. The underbelly of Europe has endured the scourge of islamic filth thanks in part due to Serbian resistance. That resistance must be met dealt with harshly or the heathens that pray to allah win out.

those islamic victories remain seared into the Serbs and to minimal extent, the Croatians psyche. Neither wish to remain under the islamic yoke.

AQ was not hatched in Bosnia like that poster claims. Nonetheless, AQ would have been in the region regardless. You know it too so don't even deny it. Kinda like there were no US military hostility casualties either, ehh?

20 posted on 12/11/2005 5:09:01 PM PST by ma bell ("Take me to the Brig. I want to see the "real Marines". Major General Chesty Puller, USMC)
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To: mark502inf

"Nope. There is zero evidence that bin Laden ever visited Kosovo or Bosnia. And the bin Laden Bosnian passport story, much beloved of Serbs trying to gain exculpation for their murderous ethnic cleansing campaigns by associating them with our war on terror, is tenuous at best. It comes from the Bosnian weekly “Dani’s” story in 1999 that the Bosnian Embassy in Vienna MAY have issued a passport to bin Laden in 1993. Follow the link and you will see that the bin Laden Bosnian passport story is based on anonymous sources and destroyed documents, the “sources” themselves are unclear as to whether it was even issued, and that in any event, the officials at the embassy in 1993 would not even have known who bin Laden was. Even this guy’s stories were more convincing."

*****Bin Ladin was in Albania and certianly had a Bosnian passport. This was common knowledge among the Security community. They were short visits, but visits nonetheless. Plenty of reports, and the evidence was the issued passports.




"much beloved of Serbs trying to gain exculpation for their murderous ethnic cleansing campaigns by associating them with our war on terror, is tenuous at best."

*****The Serbs did not go on Murderous ethnic cleansing. This is absolutely a wrong description. Serbia did not conduct ethnic cleasing operations according to the true definition of Ethnic cleasing. The Albanian extremist have......and are doing it today....as we write. You do not understand the situation over there..you are making conclusions from reports that you read about, and are false. No discussion or debate.........


21 posted on 12/11/2005 5:30:56 PM PST by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: tgambill
"You do not understand the situation over there..you are making conclusions from reports that you read about, and are false. No discussion or debate"

Tom he does understand the situation, he's just lying to you. He's paid to negotiate on Albania's behalf.

22 posted on 12/11/2005 6:53:16 PM PST by montyspython (Love that chicken from Popeye's)
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To: montyspython

I see.......actually paid or "assigned" to provide disinformation? So, you are telling me that these sites are that widely read that it makes an impact on a large scale?

I have only one agenda......to hear the truth and if confirmed, "DISTRIBUTE" the truth. I am loyal to my country as long as the truth is being told. If not, then I WILL expose a lie in a heartbeat. I am not, and will never be politically correct as a matter of routine.

Thanks for your attention in this post.......:) I love to stir the pot with facts....

Tom


23 posted on 12/11/2005 7:13:58 PM PST by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: montyspython; ma bell

When the article is published in the next week or so....it will be a gang buster....This will piss off a lot of people. I'll post the article when it's ready to distribute.....:) stand by....for about 1-2 weeks.....

Tom


24 posted on 12/11/2005 7:16:14 PM PST by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: Former Dodger
What took so long for it to become obvious that Bosnia and other parts of the Balkans are the launching pad for terrorist attacks in Europe?

I'm dumbfounded.... if they bothered to wade thru any mainstream islamic forum a few years back to read the articles or look at their collection of islamic snuff videos of the Balkan and Chechnyan jihads, it would have been clear for all to see.

25 posted on 12/11/2005 9:27:10 PM PST by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade )
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To: mark502inf
"Nope. There is zero evidence that bin Laden ever visited Kosovo or Bosnia."

The Wall Street Journal Europe.

November 1, 2001

Excerpts

Al Qaeda´s Balkan Links
by Marcia Christoff Kurop

The Balkans´ uncharacteristically silent exit from the world stage as the most prominent international hot spot of the last decade belies its status as a major recruiting and training center of Osama bin Laden´s al Qaeda network. By feeding off the region´s impoverished republics and taking root in the unsettled diplomatic aftermath of the Bosnia and Kosovo conflicts, al Qaeda, along with Iranian Revolutionary Guard-sponsored terrorists, have burrowed their way into Europe´s backyard.

For the past 10 years, the most senior leaders of al Qaeda have visited the Balkans, including bin Laden himself on three occasions between 1994 and 1996. The Egyptian surgeon turned terrorist leader Ayman Al-Zawahiri has operated terrorist training camps, weapons of mass destruction factories and money-laundering and drug-trading networks throughout Albania, Kosovo, Macedonia, Bulgaria, Turkey and Bosnia. This has gone on for a decade. Many recruits to the Balkan wars came originally from Chechnya, a jihad in which Al Qaeda has also played a part.

Although Clinton wasn't inagurated until 1993, there is no doubt that he was Alija Izetbegovic's biggest supporter, who said in his Islamic Declaration, "There can be no peace or coexistence between Islamic faith and non-Islamic faith political institutions....The Islamic movement must and can take place as soon as it is morally and numerically strong neough, not only to destroy the non-Islamic one, but to build up a new Islamic one."

No one was more passionate in his destruction of the Christian Serbs than William Jefferson Clinton.

You must admire him greatly!

26 posted on 12/12/2005 2:40:36 AM PST by Doctor13
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To: Doctor13
There should have been an end of quote after the last sentence, "Many recruits to the Balkan wars came originally from Chechnya, a jihad in which Al Qaeda has also played a part."

Sorry, but just wanted to make it clear that that is where the quote from The Wall Street Journal ended.

27 posted on 12/12/2005 2:45:09 AM PST by Doctor13
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To: Doctor13
Like I said, Doc, and as the article you just posted verifies, there is zero evidence to support your contention that bin Laden visited Bosnia and Kosovo. As pointed out earlier in this thread, your column is filled with factual errors and that is one of them.

There was in fact a report that bin Laden may have visited Albania (Fatos Klosi of ShIK, iirc)in the 1990s, but other than your unsubstantiated assertions, there is nothing to show he ever went to Bosnia or Kosovo.

I know your agenda is that the Serbs were the good guys and the Croats & Bosnians & Albanians, i.e. everyone else, were the bad guys. However, if you have to fabricate stuff to make your case, you may want re-examine some of your beliefs.

28 posted on 12/12/2005 4:30:32 AM PST by mark502inf
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To: mark502inf; Doctor13

"There was in fact a report that bin Laden may have visited Albania (Fatos Klosi of ShIK, iirc)in the 1990s, but other than your unsubstantiated assertions, there is nothing to show he ever went to Bosnia or Kosovo.

I know your agenda is that the Serbs were the good guys and the Croats & Bosnians & Albanians, i.e. everyone else, were the bad guys. However, if you have to fabricate stuff to make your case, you may want re-examine some of your beliefs."


******Bin Ladin had a Bosnian Passport, fact. He did visit Bosnia to see to his Jihadist. The Croats, Bosnian Muslims and Albanian KLA were the bad guys here. There were Serbian paramilitary action that were also bad guys as Serbia convicted 14 or 15 just this past week. The ICTY is doing a horrid job by letting Ramush and Fatmir L. go free. They are responsible for not only murdering Serb men, women and children, but also Albanians. The Mafia reigns in Kosovo along with the UN heirarchy. $$$$. The U.S. is also involved in this coverup and favoritism. The middle of the road Albanians and minorities will be the victims. The Islamic Fundies are targeting Internationals for next years assaults. The Serbs did not murder 8,000 muslims in Srebrinica. 3,010 voted in the next years election for starters. Even the Albanians don't know the whole truth as they are inclined to believe what they are told......We have only seen the beginning of a Jihad...in the Balkans that will ignite in Kosovo.


29 posted on 12/14/2005 10:17:51 AM PST by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: tgambill

I warned you that Mark was a denialist.


30 posted on 12/21/2005 11:47:24 AM PST by montyspython (Love that chicken from Popeye's)
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To: mark502inf

mark, if you admitted your anti-Serb hatred and edged a little towards admitting that a few of us on this board are correct, you might sound more convincing. Instead, your incredolous BS only exposes your agenda of spewing Anti-Serb hatred.


31 posted on 12/24/2005 3:55:55 AM PST by ma bell ("Take me to the Brig. I want to see the "real Marines". Major General Chesty Puller, USMC)
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To: tgambill; Hoplite; montyspython
Tom, Merry Christmas.

When you have time, let us discuss Racak. What facts do you know of where the dead Albanians that were found in that village came from for starters.

32 posted on 12/24/2005 3:58:47 AM PST by ma bell ("Take me to the Brig. I want to see the "real Marines". Major General Chesty Puller, USMC)
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To: ma bell; tgambill; Wraith; Hoplite

Oh oh, you said th "R" word, Hoplite gonna be mad!


33 posted on 12/24/2005 9:01:57 PM PST by montyspython (Love that chicken from Popeye's)
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To: tgambill; mark502inf; Doctor13; montyspython; ma bell
I can tell as fact that Bin Laden in 2000 was in control of an Islamic aid organization operating in Kosovo. The reason I can verify this is because a beige 4x4 from this Islamic aid organization was observed videotaping the U.S. Depart of State compound located on the Dragodan side of Pristina. As a result of the U.S. reaction to this all Intetl efforts were then directed in identifying the members of this Islamic aid organization all other operations were then suspended. Huge paranoia ensued. Take a guess who made the link to Bin Laden? It was not I.....
34 posted on 12/25/2005 7:55:20 AM PST by Wraith (Your village called the idiot is missing.)
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To: Wraith; tgambill; mark502inf; Doctor13; ma bell
"I can tell as fact that Bin Laden in 2000 was in control of an Islamic aid organization operating in Kosovo."

Waiting for the denialist bullsh*t machine operated by Hoplite and mark to start revving up. These two neo-Ottomans are neck deep in it.

35 posted on 12/27/2005 10:11:17 AM PST by montyspython (Love that chicken from Popeye's)
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To: Wraith

Read JawBreaker...it came out today....premise "we allowed Bin Laden to escape".... duh!


36 posted on 12/27/2005 3:12:34 PM PST by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: ma bell

Merry Christmas....to you...I'll have to gather the info....on Racak....

I just got back from being in N.C......Have a ass kicking New Year and watch the Balkans this Spring......


37 posted on 12/27/2005 3:15:38 PM PST by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: ma bell

I found several good sources on Racak...and will complete a "report" per se, this week.....

Tom


38 posted on 12/27/2005 3:20:48 PM PST by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: Wraith

Curious......Revival of Heritage Islamic Society...(Iranian), Al Haramain, Saudi Joint Relief Committee, The International Islamic Relief Organisation, World Assembly for Muslim Youth, AL Waqf Al Islami, Saudi Red Cresent Society, or... Islamic International Relief Organization for starters....its getting very complicated....


39 posted on 12/27/2005 3:30:21 PM PST by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: tgambill
I will have to look up which Islamic Aid organization involved and get back to you. The amount of Islamic aid organizations funneling money back to the middle east under the guise of charity does make your head spin. How much actually helps the poor Muslim makes me wonder.
40 posted on 12/27/2005 4:00:57 PM PST by Wraith (Your village called the idiot is missing.)
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To: Wraith

"How much actually helps the poor Muslim makes me wonder."

In Kosovo, the Albanians are smarter than the Americans in that regard. The average Albanian doesn't care for the Saudi Charities or their form of worship. However, the Saudi's and Iranians are very very clever. First of all, the Saudi Prince gives 40 million to two of our major Educational institutions...(Harvard and GWU), stupidly and ignorant of their means of influence I assume they took the money......with no knowledge of what will follow....very stupid, stupid Americans have allowed this to happen. The left and peaceniks are none the wiser until it's too late...

The poorer Albanian families in Kosovo takes the money.....300-1,000 per month for a salary, but they must practice Saudi style Islamic tradition. (praying five times per day, wearing the veil, reading the Koran, etc....and bring recruits.....)...The Charities require that a mosque be built first before any renovation to schools, hospitals etc...will begin, they have become partners with Albanian businesses......and the list goes on.......the charities are only to get into the system.....and manipulate until the Albanians are no longer in favor of the Americans and the IC....based on the Independence issue...that was bought by the Albanian Mafia through the Democratic party and lobbying groups...how's that for starters......Al Quada is also trying to align themselves with the Albanian Mafia....


41 posted on 12/27/2005 4:29:09 PM PST by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: tgambill; mark502inf; Doctor13; montyspython; ma bell; getoffmylawn; wonders
"manipulate until the Albanians are no longer in favor of the Americans and the IC"

I do believe the new reluctance to let the Kosovo Albanians realize Kosovo as independent from Serbia will cause the population to look upon the Americans in a negative favour and not the influx of Saudi mosques/money etc. The Albanians love to make money especially easy money and if it comes from Serbia or Saudi Arabia they don't care. To think that the Albanians are easily manipulated is a big mistake and you will find them very wise to the game. Keeping this in mind your following statement;

Al Quada is also trying to align themselves with the Albanian Mafia....

...makes sense because the Albanian Mafia are heavily involved in the smuggling of Afghani heroin through Kosovo i.e. the Balkan road. Their is cooperation between both Serb and Albanian criminal groups in this effort. Money is the universal language here for all involved including the KLA. To think religion will change all this is somewhat of a naive point of view......

42 posted on 12/27/2005 5:53:16 PM PST by Wraith (Your village called the idiot is missing.)
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To: Wraith; tgambill
I had a feeling the reading was going to get very interesting if you two started comparing notes. It has.

Wraith, while I agree with description of Serbian and Albanian criminal elements working together in the holy name of more money, I also see plenty of opportunity for AQ to poke its beak around and become somewhat of an influence in the affairs of Kosovo. I see a big mess only getting messier.

43 posted on 12/27/2005 7:05:15 PM PST by getoffmylawn (The 2005 World Champion Chicago White Sox...now Konerko AND Thome? Are you kidding me???)
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To: tgambill
soon i will be ass kicking hajee!

"Take me to the Brig. I want to see the "real Marines".
Major General Chesty Puller, USMC - while on a Battalion inspection.

"Chest nuts roasting on hajee's car fire ! My 5.56 nipping at his nose. Yule tide carols coming over the net! ..."

44 posted on 12/27/2005 7:57:38 PM PST by ma bell ("Take me to the Brig. I want to see the "real Marines". Major General Chesty Puller, USMC)
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To: montyspython
Oh oh, you said th "R" word, Hoplite gonna be mad!

which R word, right or rong? or, roprite?..;)

45 posted on 12/27/2005 7:58:52 PM PST by ma bell ("Take me to the Brig. I want to see the "real Marines". Major General Chesty Puller, USMC)
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To: Wraith; tgambill

don't forget the money each Albanian within Kosovo recieves from UNMIK, I believe 8,000 Euros each year. Hey, that adds up..ya think?


46 posted on 12/27/2005 8:03:08 PM PST by ma bell ("Take me to the Brig. I want to see the "real Marines". Major General Chesty Puller, USMC)
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To: Wraith

religion won't change a thing with the Albanians....money strengthens the religion if they want more money......this is the game.....:)


47 posted on 12/28/2005 12:16:49 AM PST by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: ma bell

Chesty took a company of Marines to downtown Jacksonville in his day.......they cleaned house after a few Marines were jumped in a bar.....he almost got into trouble on that one....:))))


48 posted on 12/28/2005 12:19:16 AM PST by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: ma bell

The money the Albanians receive from UNMIK....?? The KPS makes requests for phone cards....thousands of them. Guess what? The officers take them to downtown, and will sell them to the street vendors for half price...The phone cards are a great way to launder money. The street vendors sells them for full price...the KPS officer receives much $$$$$ for issued cards....

Secondly, house builders receives hundreds of thousands of dollars for building a house...they build a frame of concrete....and then stop. Then they keep the rest of the money and...and,........sell the remaining amount of building supplies...only to leave the frame standing indefinitely.....these are only two of the scams UNMIK and the Albanians pull off.....


49 posted on 12/28/2005 12:25:02 AM PST by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: Doctor13

And the toon just keeps on giving.


50 posted on 12/28/2005 12:28:08 AM PST by mathluv
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