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Stop Erecting of Statue of Genocide Leader Ataturk in Rome!
Action Commitees of Armenia and Greece ^ | December 11, 2005 | International Armenian Network

Posted on 12/11/2005 7:33:28 PM PST by eleni121

Please click the following link and send an email to the Mayor of Rome protesting the erection of a mass murderer Mustafa kemal Ataturk.

http://www.ian.cc/acciones.php


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: armenia; assyrians; ataturk; boner; cialis; erection; flaccid; genocide; greece; halfcocked; impotent; levetra; limp; statue; stiff; stimulate; turkey; viagra; woodie
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For more information regarding this unwarranted action against the memories of millions of Christian victims of the Turks please sign your names to the petition and forward to friends.
1 posted on 12/11/2005 7:33:29 PM PST by eleni121
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To: eleni121

Here is the link:

http://www.ian.cc/acciones.php


2 posted on 12/11/2005 7:34:13 PM PST by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: kiki04; Kolokotronis; MarMema; kosta50; wrathof59; katnip; FormerLib; ezfindit; Polycarp1; ...

PING for action.


3 posted on 12/11/2005 7:35:06 PM PST by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: eleni121

http://www.ian.cc/acciones.php


4 posted on 12/11/2005 7:35:36 PM PST by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: eleni121

Here's an erection stopper.

5 posted on 12/11/2005 7:36:01 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Cheney X -- Destroying the Liberal Democrat Traitors By Any Means Necessary -- Ya Dig ? Sho 'Nuff.)
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To: eleni121

BTTT


6 posted on 12/11/2005 7:37:28 PM PST by Fiddlstix (Tagline Repair Service. Let us fix those broken Taglines. Inquire within(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: fieldmarshaldj

The header of this post nearly knocked me off of my chair.


7 posted on 12/11/2005 7:37:38 PM PST by Mears (The Killer Queen)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Ol' Helen---LOL for sure. I knew someone would post an analogy...glad it was you.

Please sign the petition.

http://www.ian.cc/acciones.php


8 posted on 12/11/2005 7:38:44 PM PST by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: eleni121
send an email to the Mayor of Rome protesting the erection of a mass murderer Mustafa kemal Ataturk.

Mass murderers should not have erections?

If this was a sex offender (like rapist), I can see your point.

However, I don't see a problem with mass murderers getting erections.

9 posted on 12/11/2005 7:38:47 PM PST by Dont_Tread_On_Me_888 (Bush's #1 priority Africa. #2 priority appease Fox and Mexico . . . USA priority #64.)
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To: Mears

In Chicago the public bureau in charge of putting up statutes is the Department of Erections and Mounting.

Or so goes the legend.


10 posted on 12/11/2005 7:38:50 PM PST by Appalled but Not Surprised
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To: eleni121

" protesting the erection" - bad choice of words :-)


11 posted on 12/11/2005 7:39:19 PM PST by Panerai
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To: eleni121
Heheheh... he said erection </Beavis>
12 posted on 12/11/2005 7:39:54 PM PST by bikepacker67
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To: Mears

It's funny how some people think ;>)

Seriously, sign the petition...it's not a laughing matter.


13 posted on 12/11/2005 7:39:56 PM PST by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: Panerai

LOL! You took the words right out of my mouth! I hate it when statues get an .....


14 posted on 12/11/2005 7:41:25 PM PST by Chena (I'm not young enough to know everything.)
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To: Appalled but Not Surprised

I actually knew a guy,a customer,who's businees cards identified him as an erection specialist.


15 posted on 12/11/2005 7:41:54 PM PST by Mears (The Killer Queen)
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To: eleni121
...protesting the erection of a mass murderer...

Well, I protest, but how the hell ya gonna stop it?

I mean, nature taking it's natural course and all that...

16 posted on 12/11/2005 7:41:58 PM PST by OldSmaj (Hey Islam...I flushed a koran today and I let my dog pp on it first. Come get me, moon bats!)
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To: Panerai

Erection of statue. The term "erection" of statue is a commonly used phrase as you well know.

Whatever. Just sign the petition ;>))


17 posted on 12/11/2005 7:42:31 PM PST by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: bikepacker67

http://www.ian.cc/acciones.php


18 posted on 12/11/2005 7:43:03 PM PST by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: eleni121

My grandfather was a full blooded Armenian whose mother had to flee. That makes me a quarter Armenian.

It is past history. I am guessing they are erecting the statue to honor Attaturk's efforts to make Turkey a modern country. Unless they are making a statue specifically to commemorate Attaturk's actions against the Armenians, I am willing to let it go.

But that is just me. Your opinion may vary and you are welcome to it.


19 posted on 12/11/2005 7:43:08 PM PST by rlmorel ("Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does." Whittaker Chambers)
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To: Mears
Steel erections, eh?

LOL

20 posted on 12/11/2005 7:44:20 PM PST by Thumper1960 ("There is no 'tolerance', there are only changing fashions in intolerance." - 'The Western Standard')
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To: OldSmaj

In this case "nature" happens to be the Mayor of Rome who seems to have no problem erecting a statue of a mass murderer.


21 posted on 12/11/2005 7:44:40 PM PST by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: eleni121
It is not the U.S. citizen's job to make recommendations to foreign governments regarding to whom they raise statues in honor. I desire foreign governments to keep their noses out of my affairs, and as such I show them the same courtesy. Regardless, I would recommend all FReepers learn something about Mustafa Kemal Atatürk before even dreaming about offering such commentary.
22 posted on 12/11/2005 7:51:04 PM PST by so_real ("The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: rlmorel

There is absolutely no need to place a statue of this monster in Rome - and indeed he was - to commemorate what? The ethnic cleansing of several millions of Christians?

You must be too removed from the actual events that took place but there are many thousands of descendants of those who suffered and died for whom this action represents a disrespectful slap in the face.

Kind of like a statue of Stalin set up in Ukraine.


23 posted on 12/11/2005 7:52:41 PM PST by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: Mears

I can think of many women who can get that title, for starters most Victoria's Secret models :)


24 posted on 12/11/2005 7:54:48 PM PST by Panerai
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To: so_real

The real Mustafa as opposed to the cleaned up one by Turks.

Don't be so gullible.

http://imia.cc.duth.gr/turkey/chro.e.html


25 posted on 12/11/2005 7:56:00 PM PST by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: so_real

Oh and by the way, any American citizen is free to say what he/she wants to any government he/she wants.

Who assigned you to the role of monitor/censor?


26 posted on 12/11/2005 7:57:28 PM PST by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: eleni121

1. Political Reforms

Abolisment of the office of the Sultan (November 1922)

Proclamation of the Republic (29 October 1923)

Abolishment of the caliph (3 March 1924)

2. Social Reforms

Recognition of equal rights to men and women (1926 - 1934)

Reform of Headgear and Dress (25 November 1925)

Closure of mausoleums and dervish lodges (30 November 1925)

Law on family names (21 June 1934)

Abolisment of titles and by-names (26 November 1934)

Adoption of international calendar, hours and measurements (1925 - 1931)

3. Legal Reforms

Abolishment of the Canon Law (1924 - 1937)

Transfer to a secular law structure by adoption of Turkish Civil Code and other laws (1924 - 1937)

4. Reforms in the fields of education and culture

Unification of education (3 March 1924)

Adoption of new Turkish alphabet (1 November 1928)

Establishment of Turkish Language and History Institutions (1931 - 1932)

Regulation of the university education (31 May 1933)

Innovations in fine arts

5. Economic Reforms

Abolution of tithe

Encouragement of the farmers

Establishment of model farms

Establishment of industrial facilities, and putting into effect a law for Incentives for the Industry

Putting into effect Ist and IInd Development Plans (1933-1937), to develop transportation networks.

"However he was not a Christian, a given. OTOH be careful of whom you accuse of genocide:

"However, Ataturk was not a mass murderer or supporter of genocide. Armenians’ principle accusation is that he was responsible for a giant fire that destroyed much of Smyrna when he captured the city from the Greeks during the War of Independence, but in truth, the source of the fire has not been conclusively proven, with both sides blaming the other. Individual Turkish soldiers did most definitely commit war crimes during the course of the war, and of course the non-Turkish populations fleeing the war as refugees suffered many troubles, but Ataturk definitely did not order any organized attempts at genocide."

http://www.hyperhistory.net/apwh/bios/b2ataturkkemal.htm

So what I see is a guy who loved his country and took it into the 20th Century kicking and screaming. You're accuastions of genocide are weak at best.

Someone who says it better than I:

"Go and find me a published encylopedia which accuses Ataturk of sanctioning a genocide, find me a published encylopedia which says Turks raped, pillaged, massacred and set fire to Smyrna, find me a published encylopedia which has a section entitled "Turkish government denial" of an Armenian genocide."

Obviously I will not sign your peitition. Rewrite history somewhere else.


27 posted on 12/11/2005 7:58:15 PM PST by JNL
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To: eleni121
This thread should stimulate a lot of interesting discussion. Many will rise up against the statue's erection - support will swell if you can arouse more interest. People should also not be so hard on you for the title of the thread.

A full blooded response is what is needed here. No half-cocked, soft, or lukewarm action will suffice - passions need to be raging, hot, and the message needs to be pounded home. This erection cannot take place.

Too bad the petition is in Italian...

28 posted on 12/11/2005 7:58:31 PM PST by M203M4
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To: M203M4

Post # 28 is brilliant :-))))))))


29 posted on 12/11/2005 8:00:09 PM PST by Panerai
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To: eleni121

The Pope is trying to trying to improve relations with the Eastern Church and now this.

The Greeks still talk about the Massacre on the Island of Cios.

The Greeks will not be pleased.


30 posted on 12/11/2005 8:00:16 PM PST by beaver fever
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To: eleni121

I would sign it, but, I can't read the language.


31 posted on 12/11/2005 8:01:17 PM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: M203M4

Now you can't be serious.,.an intelligent wordy guy like you can't figure out a little Italian. All you have to do is sign your name and a couple of other items.

As for your precious allegory: cute, but irrevelant to the discussion.


32 posted on 12/11/2005 8:03:00 PM PST by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: JNL

Thanks for the info. I'm glad I read your post before I signed.


33 posted on 12/11/2005 8:03:48 PM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: JNL

Glorifying a pedophile and butcher appears to fit your definition of a "reformer".

In fact everything you have posted comes from propaganda mill sites. You really need to speak to the descendants and survivors of the monster Ataturk. Do you dare? I doubt it.

You've bought the lies hook line and sinker.


34 posted on 12/11/2005 8:11:40 PM PST by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: JNL
"Who remembers the Armenians?"
35 posted on 12/11/2005 8:13:20 PM PST by fallujah-nuker (America needs more SAC and less empty sacs.)
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To: beaver fever

It's not just the Greeks of course. The major genocide of the 20th century was also commited against the Armenian and Assyrian Christians. Muslim Turks did a good job of eliminating any trace of Christianity in Anatolia.


36 posted on 12/11/2005 8:13:59 PM PST by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: eleni121

Attatuck kept Turkey out of the hands of the Islamofascists and well into the Western orbit. He deserves our thanks for that.


37 posted on 12/11/2005 8:14:26 PM PST by Nonstatist
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To: eleni121

Interesting growing list of keywords at top of page: " ARMENIA; ASSYRIANS; ATATURK; BONER; CIALIS; ERECTION; FLACCID; GENOCIDE; GREECE; IMPOTENT; LEVETRA; LIMP; STATUE; STIFF; TURKEY; VIAGRA; WOODIE;"


38 posted on 12/11/2005 8:14:33 PM PST by Panerai
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To: pbrown

Did the Turkophile also describe the genocide of 2 million Chrstians that took place in Turkey and the fact that Turks still oppress the few minorities still living there?

But then knowing that you wouldn't sign anyway...


39 posted on 12/11/2005 8:16:10 PM PST by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: eleni121

No I've asked for published proof. Last time I checked my bathroom wall still holds my degree in history.

Further my Grandfather was at Gallipoli (a gunner on the british side) so no love lost on this guy. However, you just simply state a few "facts" with no proof and expect me to accept them.


40 posted on 12/11/2005 8:16:32 PM PST by JNL
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To: eleni121

Can't find the petition on that site. Perhaps you should post a direct link to the petition itself.

I'll try again.


41 posted on 12/11/2005 8:16:39 PM PST by Baraonda (Demographic is destiny. Don't hire 3rd world illegal aliens nor support businesses that hire them.)
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To: Panerai

There are some sick people on FR...a few but there they are. Mostly I assume are Turkophiles.


42 posted on 12/11/2005 8:17:06 PM PST by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: Baraonda

http://www.ian.cc/acciones.php

"No to the genocider Ataturk in Rome"

The link works and just click it. Thanks.


43 posted on 12/11/2005 8:18:50 PM PST by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: eleni121

"an intelligent wordy guy like you can't figure out a little Italian"

Are you sure that is in Italian? this is what the 'Fish' returned as a translation from Italian to English:

"Permitas que genocida a Como Ataturk does not hold a monument en Rome. Sumate to los esfuerzos por hacer de este mundo a lugar mas seguro.
http://babelfish.altavista.com/tr

Spanish to English did better.
"You do not allow that a genocida as Ataturk has a monument in Rome. Sumate to the efforts to make of this world a place surely but."


44 posted on 12/11/2005 8:19:36 PM PST by PAR35
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To: eleni121
Am I gullible? Perhaps. Maybe the British, French, Indians, Australians, and New Zealanders were gullible in working with Atatürk during the attack on Gallipoli and Dardanelles? The White House may have been gullible in 1981 for issuing a statement describing him as "a great leader in times of war and peace". Anything is possible. So I will stick to domestic politics, and hope my fellow FReepers can discern propoganda from fact before attempting to influence the affairs of foreign nations.
45 posted on 12/11/2005 8:20:42 PM PST by so_real ("The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: eleni121

Two words that will immediately get a Greek's hair up.

Turkey and Macedonia.


46 posted on 12/11/2005 8:21:05 PM PST by beaver fever
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To: eleni121

Done!

Send email to the major in a language he can understand.


47 posted on 12/11/2005 8:21:54 PM PST by Baraonda (Demographic is destiny. Don't hire 3rd world illegal aliens nor support businesses that hire them.)
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To: eleni121

http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/News/Trifkovic/NewsST060502.html


48 posted on 12/11/2005 8:22:33 PM PST by fallujah-nuker (America needs more SAC and less empty sacs.)
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To: eleni121

"The link works and just click it. Thanks."

Yes, they do. My mistake!

Muchas gracias.


49 posted on 12/11/2005 8:23:19 PM PST by Baraonda (Demographic is destiny. Don't hire 3rd world illegal aliens nor support businesses that hire them.)
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To: JNL

Do your own research Mr "Historian", but don't expect me to respect propaganda sites. You can start educating yourself by reading:

Balakian's The Burning Tigris

or Dr, Papazian's remarks here:

http://www.umd.umich.edu/dept/armenian/facts/answers.html
Or the psychology of denial

Journal of Genocide Research
Publisher: Routledge, part of the Taylor & Francis Group
Issue: Volume 3, Number 2 / June 1, 2001
Pages: 241 - 256
URL: Linking Options
DOI: 10.1080/14623520120062439

Universal social theory and the denial of genocide

Hank Theriault



50 posted on 12/11/2005 8:26:09 PM PST by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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