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(Bush Speech Live Thread) Bush to compare Iraqis to America's founders
CNN ^ | 12/12/05 | Unknown

Posted on 12/12/2005 6:09:11 AM PST by Coop

WASHINGTON (AP) -- President Bush is using a visit to Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, birthplace of the U.S. Constitution, as a reminder before the Iraqi elections that the path to American democracy was not always easy either.

Pennsylvania also is the home state of a leading Iraq war critic, Democratic Rep. John Murtha, who planned to speak on Bush's heels and repeat his call to bring the troops home from a fight he says has become too violent and out of control...

Iraqis are preparing to vote under tight security to elect a 275-member parliament that will run the country for the next four years. The election will be the first under the new constitution ratified in an October 15 referendum and will complete the steps toward democratization following the ouster of Saddam Hussein's government.

Monday's Iraq speech is Bush's third, part of a campaign to win support for the mission, with most Americans saying in polls that they disapprove of his handling of the war. The speech is scheduled for 11:15 a.m. ET.

(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bush43; elections; foundingfathers; gnfi; iraq; iraqielection; iraqspeech; terrorism
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To: Fishtalk
The Administration has been, as Brit Hume pointed out afterwards on Fox News, NOT to claim any direct connection between Iraq and 9/11. Democrats, detractors, and reporters (overlapping groups) have made that false charge. The Administration HAS stated and established direct connections between Saddam and Al Qaeda, which is a different question.

We need to be careful, as the Adminsration has been, in separating those two issues.

John / Billybob
301 posted on 12/12/2005 9:40:25 AM PST by Congressman Billybob (Do you think Fitzpatrick resembled Captain Queeg, coming apart on the witness stand?)
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To: milagro

It is. One of my favorite movies.


302 posted on 12/12/2005 9:40:26 AM PST by My2Cents (Dead people voting is the closest the Democrats come to believing in eternal life.)
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To: NeonKnight
Moving the goalposts is a common occurrence with the war critics.

Trying to change or enforce unrealistic or impossible deadlines will only happen if the majority of the Congress goes along..It will insure failure in Iraq.

This must not happen..Bush needs to keep giving these speeches and we should write our representatives.

May God be with our brave troops.
303 posted on 12/12/2005 9:40:54 AM PST by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: freema

LOL. But a lot of Upstate Dems are Reagan Dems. Just another reason we don't see Hillie too often in these parts.


304 posted on 12/12/2005 9:41:04 AM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: NorthWstPHD

Actually, it is a good thing if they want us to go provided, of course, that they didn't poll terrorists, Baathists or Iranian plants. We want them to own their country and frankly, our soldiers are needed next door.


305 posted on 12/12/2005 9:41:38 AM PST by misterrob
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To: All
Sorry .. that was a preview of what will be on Nightly News Tonight with Brian Williams ... his reporting on his day with Pres. Bush today. MUST SEE TV.

Of course, Brian showed him the current NewsWEAK cover of him in a bubble and he asked him if he was in a bubble ..... DUH!

306 posted on 12/12/2005 9:41:46 AM PST by STARWISE (The liberals and terrorists belong to the same club: THE HATE AND DESTROY AMERICA CLUB.)
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To: Bahbah
You're right. I forgot the sarcasm tag on that comment. My bad.

John / Billybob
307 posted on 12/12/2005 9:42:34 AM PST by Congressman Billybob (Do you think Fitzpatrick resembled Captain Queeg, coming apart on the witness stand?)
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To: advance_copy
President is taking questions from the audience

And doing a FABULOUS job of answering them! Strong, confident, assured of his beliefs...

308 posted on 12/12/2005 9:42:59 AM PST by Just A Nobody (I - LOVE - my attitude problem! WBB lives on. Beware the Enemedia.)
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To: Congressman Billybob; All

Here is another thing.. We formed our Government ourselves. We did not have any help. We basically formed this nation with our current of government literally from scratch..


309 posted on 12/12/2005 9:43:26 AM PST by KevinDavis (http://www.cafepress.com/spacefuture)
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To: Fishtalk

"I didn't know that."

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1538476/posts

Get on the ping list of this thread and you will know and see photos of the ceremonies as they are turned over!


310 posted on 12/12/2005 9:46:03 AM PST by Just A Nobody (I - LOVE - my attitude problem! WBB lives on. Beware the Enemedia.)
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To: Congressman Billybob

I spent a weekend on another forum trying to document what Bush has said and to dispel the notion that he ever tied Saddam to 911..He indeed has,as have democrats and others , tied him to having connections to Al Queda and assorted terrorists..


311 posted on 12/12/2005 9:46:19 AM PST by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: Congressman Billybob
We need to be careful, as the Adminsration has been, in separating those two issues.

Indeed. It's amazing how many around here still don't see the difference. And it's even more amazing how the media intentionally (yes, I'll say intentionally) puts out misleading reports.

312 posted on 12/12/2005 9:48:46 AM PST by Coop (FR = a lotta talk, but little action)
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To: Jemian

Bases have been turned over to the Iraqis as they became trained and ready, for months!!


313 posted on 12/12/2005 9:48:46 AM PST by Just A Nobody (I - LOVE - my attitude problem! WBB lives on. Beware the Enemedia.)
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To: Fishtalk
But I swear I've never heard it uttered that "knowing what I know now" I'd still do the same thing.

President Bush has used that phrase in reference to the war against Saddam on more than one occasion before today.

"Knowing what I knew then and knowing what I know today, America did the right thing in Iraq," Bush said Thursday [Feb. 5, 2004] in Charleston, South Carolina.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/02/05/sprj.nirq.tenet.wmd/index.html


And Saddam Hussein had something else -- he had a record of using weapons of mass destruction against his enemies and against innocent Iraqi citizens. Knowing what I knew then, and knowing what I know today, America did the right thing in Iraq. (Applause.)

We had a choice: either take the word of a madman, or take action to defend the American people. Faced with that choice, I will defend America every time. (Applause.) September the 11th, 2001 was a lesson for America, a lesson I will never forget, and a lesson this nation must never forget. We cannot wait to confront the threats of the world, the threats of terror networks and terror states, until those threats arrive in our own cities. I made a pledge to this country; I will not stand by and hope for the best while dangers gather. I will not take risks with the lives and security of the American people. I will protect and defend this country by taking the fight to the enemy. (Applause.)

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/02/20040205-7.html


GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: We didn't find the stockpiles that we thought we would find. Everybody thought they would be there. We haven't found them yet but he did have the capability of making weapons. Knowing what I know today, I would have made the same decision.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0408/09/ip.00.html
JUDY WOODRUFF'S INSIDE POLITICS - Aired August 9, 2004


Knowing what we know today -- I thought we were going to find stockpiles; everybody did. But he had the capability of making weapons. And if the world had turned away from watching Saddam, that capability could have been passed on to terrorist enemies. It's a risk we could not afford to take. Knowing what I know today, I would have made the same decision, and the world is better off for it. (Applause.) The world is better off for it.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/08/20040812-9.html
United Brotherhood of Carpenters and Joiners of America
August 12, 2004


Even though we did not find the stockpiles that we expected to find, Saddam Hussein had the capability of making weapons of mass destruction and could have passed that capability on to our enemy, and that was a risk we could not afford to take. Knowing what I know today, I would have made the same decision. (Applause.)

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/08/20040826-10.html
Remarks by the President at Farmington, New Mexico Rally
August 26, 2004

I found 35 instances in a search of the WH website. To be fair, he has moderated his message somewhat, from this in April 2004 ...

I would have gone into Afghanistan the way we went into Afghanistan. Even knowing what I know today about the stockpiles of weapons, I still would have called upon the world to deal with Saddam Hussein. See, I happen to believe that we'll find out the truth on the weapons. That's why we've sent up the independent commission. I look forward to hearing the truth, exactly where they are. They could still be there. They could be hidden, like the 50 tons of mustard gas in a turkey farm.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/04/20040413-20.html
President Addresses the Nation in Prime Time Press Conference
April 13, 2004


314 posted on 12/12/2005 9:50:05 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: Justanobody

The people of Iraq want peace, security and a future....as long as they believe that is what we want for them, and that are resolve is steadfast to that end, we will see this through to completion.....they (the Iraqi's) know what the terrorists want....this isn't brain surgery....


315 posted on 12/12/2005 9:50:18 AM PST by PigRigger (Send donations to http://www.AdoptAPlatoon.org)
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To: Bahbah
Not sure if this was the word ... doesn't seem to fit with his context:

per·o·rate Audio pronunciation of "peroration" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (pr-rt)
intr.v. per·o·rat·ed, per·o·rat·ing, per·o·rates

1. To conclude a speech with a formal recapitulation. 2. To speak at great length, often in a grandiloquent manner; declaim.

[Latin perrre, perrt- : per-, per- + rre, to speak.]pero·ration n.
pero·ration·al adj.

316 posted on 12/12/2005 9:50:18 AM PST by STARWISE (The liberals and terrorists belong to the same club: THE HATE AND DESTROY AMERICA CLUB.)
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To: Eva
The war was a war of liberation, a war to set the Iraqis people free and establish a second Democracy in the Middle East.

At the time it was started, the war was over refusal on the part of Saddam to "open his house" to inspection. He was in violation of numerous UN orders.

The other positive attributes to regime change (more transparent government, government answerable to the people via elections) naturally tag along, and would hold in many countries. Zimbabwe would be better off with regime change, as would N. Korea, Somalia, Iran, Cuba, etc.

317 posted on 12/12/2005 9:55:40 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: STARWISE
Of course, Brian showed him the current NewsWEAK cover of him in a bubble and he asked him if he was in a bubble

Bush should have answered him Rummie style and said "Your ratings have been declining for years and nobody knows who anchors the nightly news anymore. Bernie Goldberg says that's because you're stuck in Manhatten. Are you stuck in Manhatten?"

318 posted on 12/12/2005 10:03:42 AM PST by ichabod1 (The left only wants the troops home so they can spit on them. Again.)
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To: Howlin
I wonder if Murtha will hold a press conference after the president's speech?

Frankly I don't give a damn what he does. He's shown he's a nitwit and a leftist clown and more precisely, a sockpuppet for the antiwar kooks in this country.

319 posted on 12/12/2005 10:07:12 AM PST by BigSkyFreeper ("Tucker Carlson could reveal himself as a castrated, lesbian, rodeo clown ...wouldn't surprise me")
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To: NorthWstPHD
Even though we all doubt(ed) his capabilities at one time or another...

Excuse me, YOU do NOT speak for me!

Welcome to FreeRepublic.

320 posted on 12/12/2005 10:09:05 AM PST by Just A Nobody (I - LOVE - my attitude problem! WBB lives on. Beware the Enemedia.)
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