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Minutemen at the Polls (Last week's special election in California was a sign of things to come)
The American Prowler ^ | John Tabin | John Tabin

Posted on 12/12/2005 1:03:53 PM PST by nickcarraway

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1 posted on 12/12/2005 1:03:54 PM PST by nickcarraway
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A guest-worker program -- including one that provides incentives for illegal immigrants to come out of the shadows -- is a good idea, but a politically injured one. Those who'd like to save it would do well to start by seriously tackling immigration enforcement, without dismissing those who demand as much as racist crackpot vigilantes.

Well I can see this guy is biased, and dismiss this liberal crackpot OBL whiner.

2 posted on 12/12/2005 1:09:06 PM PST by rolling_stone (Question Authority!)
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Lawmakers in Washington are taking this political signal very seriously. Before the election, Bob Novak reported that the sense among Republicans on Capitol Hill was that "a strong showing by Gilchrist -- anything above 20 to 25 percent" would doom the guest-worker program favored by President Bush.

My thanks to those with the guts to vote for Gilchrist. Conservatives may save the Republican Party from itself yet.

3 posted on 12/12/2005 1:18:49 PM PST by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are REALLY stupid.)
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To: Carry_Okie

bttt


4 posted on 12/12/2005 1:21:54 PM PST by FOG724 (http://nationalgrange.org/legislation/phpBB2/index.php)
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To: rolling_stone

I think yuo are reading it wrong. He is saying that people who demand seriously tackling immigration enforcement shouldn't be dismissed as racist crackpot vigilantes.


5 posted on 12/12/2005 1:23:52 PM PST by nickcarraway (I'm Only Alive, Because a Judge Hasn't Ruled I Should Die...)
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To: rolling_stone
Well I can see this guy is biased, and dismiss this liberal crackpot OBL whiner

Any discussion of a guest worker program which does not explain in detail how the guests will be either induced or forced to leave the country when their visa expires is just a promotion of a sham amnesty. If they don't tell you how they are going to leave it is because they have no intention that they will ever leave.

That said, the author made lots of other good points and particular he seems to understand that enforcement must come first and he also understands that if the GOP does not get their act together they are going to get hit in the face with a 2x4 at the ballot booth.

6 posted on 12/12/2005 1:24:51 PM PST by jackbenimble
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To: rolling_stone
I think you are missing the author's point. He is saying that those who support unlimited immigration call the Minutemen "racist crackpot vigilantes". The Washington crowd which wants a guest worker program should tackle the immigration enforcement problem instead of just insulting the Minutemen.
7 posted on 12/12/2005 1:27:57 PM PST by KarlInOhio (In memory of Alvin Owen, Thsai-Shai Yang, Yen-I Yang and Yee Chen Lin:the victims of Tookie Williams)
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the minutemen(sixty second thugs)are not wanted nor are they need here in Arizona.I live five miles from the border and I see the so called minute men screwing with mexican-americans, just because they can,they are bullies,if you don't believe me come on down and check for your self.


8 posted on 12/12/2005 1:33:59 PM PST by beanball
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Many Americans are rightly horrified by this country's inability unwillingness to enforce its immigration laws, and Gilchrist's strong showing is a symptom of the mood.

That sounds like a better description of the problem.

9 posted on 12/12/2005 1:36:31 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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BS.

They are wanted, needed, and necessary. I live in AZ too, and it's on the verge of border anarchy.

You live 5 miles from the border? Which side?


10 posted on 12/12/2005 1:39:52 PM PST by mobyss
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11 posted on 12/12/2005 2:05:52 PM PST by gubamyster
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Okay, I don't believe you. I'm quite sure the liberal media would be all over it if you were telling the truth.


12 posted on 12/12/2005 2:07:31 PM PST by Mulch (tm)
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>>Last spring President Bush dismissed them as "vigilantes" (though they've broken no laws), but he and his political allies ought to take a second look at the Minutemen and their works.<<



Mr.President
Protecting our homes, families and jobs is not vigilantism.


13 posted on 12/12/2005 2:09:45 PM PST by B4Ranch (No expiration date is on the Oath to protect America from all enemies, foreign and domestic.)
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"Socialism needs two legs on which to stand; a right and a left. While appearing to be in complete opposition to one another, they both march in the same direction."
Paul Proctor


14 posted on 12/12/2005 2:12:23 PM PST by B4Ranch (No expiration date is on the Oath to protect America from all enemies, foreign and domestic.)
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To: gubamyster

Protect our borders and coastlines from all foreign invaders!

Support our Minutemen Patriots!

Be Ever Vigilant ~ Bump!


15 posted on 12/12/2005 2:12:55 PM PST by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: beanball

If the US does not take care of the problems caused by illegal immigration, enforcement will be takened over by extremists vigilantes. Any government that suppresses the will of the people will create extremists and violent revolutionists. Especially if the policy will result in the destruction of their future and their children's future. Read your history books. Many of the revolutions do not involve poor desperate people, some are started by middle class people who fear losing their wealth and seeing their children ending up poor.


16 posted on 12/12/2005 2:14:32 PM PST by Fee (`+Great powers never let minor allies dictate who, where and when they must fight.)
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Campbell needed absentee ballots to put him over the top.

Lol! Makes it sound as if voting absentee is something less than voting in person. Third place is exactly where a third party candidate belongs, especially a nutter like Gilchrist.

17 posted on 12/12/2005 2:20:21 PM PST by mac_truck (Aide toi et dieu l’aidera)
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Jim Gilchrist/Minutemen BUMP.

Close the border, build an Israeli-type fence, fine employers of illegals, deport illegals, restrict legal immigration, and return peace and security to our nation.


18 posted on 12/12/2005 2:21:48 PM PST by reelfoot
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So are you saying that defending legal immigration is wrong?
19 posted on 12/12/2005 2:24:38 PM PST by Mulch (tm)
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To: beanball
the minutemen(sixty second thugs)are not wanted nor are they need here in Arizona.I live five miles from the border and I see the so called minute men screwing with mexican-americans, just because they can,they are bullies,if you don't believe me come on down and check for your self.

You are full of crap. I live near the border and the Minutemen had a manned observation post less than a mile from my house. I found NOTHING of that which you accuse them. In fact, I saw the opposite. You are a liar. In addition, I know several people who volunteered to serve as Minutemen and they were people from the local community. They are not thugs or bullies, just common people sick to death of the ongoing invasion. Seven of our good Republican legislators in Arizona came down and signed up as Minutemen too. Former Republican Majority Whip Randy Graf, who is running for Congress in District 8, was also a Minuteman Project volunteer. None of these people are thugs or bullies.

20 posted on 12/12/2005 2:27:13 PM PST by Spiff ("They start yelling, 'Murderer!' 'Traitor!' They call me by name." - Gael Murphy, Code Pink leader)
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