SB-403, Personal Protection Act, Wisconsin Assembly, live debate thread, 12/13/2005

Wisconsin State Assembly ^ | 12/13/05 | Senator ZIEN, Representative GUNDERSON,

[Monitor]

Today, the Wisconsin State Assembly debates SB-403:

"This bill creates a licensing system under which an individual is permitted to carry a concealed weapon under certain circumstances. The bill also makes certain changes in Wisconsin law to account for a federal law that requires the state to permit an individual who works as or who has retired from working as a federal, state, tribal, or local law enforcement officer in Wisconsin or in any other state to carry a concealed firearm under certain circumstances. In addition, the bill changes the law relating to background checks for handgun purchases to require the Department of Justice (DOJ) to determine whether a person seeking to purchase a handgun has been subject to an order or finding regarding his or her mental health that makes the purchase unlawful."

You can listen in by clicking here.

You can follow along with the amendments and votes by clicking here.

You can read the legislation by clicking here.

[Monitor]

I won't be available most of the day, so if someone could bump this thread when the action starts, I'd appreciate it.

[Monitor]

Please ping the BANG list.

Thank you.

[rellimpank]

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[nuzman]

When do they start? I'm getting just just low level noise on the audio stream.

[Ladysmith]

Self-ping.

[Ladysmith]

I've got the audio for the Assembly going but nothing there yet. Assuming the Assembly isn't in session yet. If I'm wrong, please let me know.

[Ladysmith]

Announcement made: The Assembly will convene in five minutes.

woof

[Ladysmith]

Ping: Assembly about to start for the day.

[Ladysmith]

[Monitor]

The assembly is now in session, and the audio is live. See above for links.

[WIladyconservative]

I can't hear a darn thing . . .

Updates?

[Ladysmith]

"The Assembly stands informal." :o\ Assuming that means they're taking a break.

If I understood them correctly, our bill will be up shortly after they resume. But I could be very wrong on that.

[Ladysmith]

BTW, there is background music at the moment through the video link.

[gnarledmaw]

"Assuming that means they're taking a break."

Seems like a long time to grab a beer 'n a brat. Any clue when theyre scheduled to come back?

[Ladysmith]

No idea but I'll ping you when they do, if you'd like.

[gnarledmaw]

We've all heard of the similarity between watching laws and sausages being made, all I know for sure is that if my butcher took this long to make a sausage then Id be afraid of what hes slipping in the grinder...

[Ladysmith]

No kidding. My brother called and told me that there's something some of the critical votes want in this bill but he couldn't remember what. But it didn't sound hopeful if it wasn't included.

I told a look for info here and found this link from yesterday: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1538624/posts

Makes me sick.

[Monitor]

If I heard correct, via the live audio feed:

"The Rose committee will meet in the parlor at 8:45."

Whatever that means.

[Ladysmith]

Yep, heard that, too. Somethings going on behind the scenes.

[Ladysmith]

Was that the Rules Committee in the Rose parlor?

[Monitor]

That could be it, too. Don't know. It kind of caught me off guard.

[Ladysmith]

Me, too.

Going to be a long night. That's ok, got plenty of studying to do here.

[Ronaldus Magnus]

I was in the Assembly gallery for a little while this evening before they started on the Personal Protection Act. There were only about a half dozen people watching the proceedings when I was there.</p>

[Ladysmith]

Did they actually start it? It sounded like it was possible next on the agenda and then they went into this "informal" whatever... What is that?

[Ladysmith]

possible = possibly

[Ladysmith]

Reconvening in five minutes.

[Ladysmith]

Ping if you're still up.

[Monitor]

"The Wisconsin Senate will reconvene in five minutes."

[Ronaldus Magnus]

They were considering some other bill when I was there. It was a much smaller crowd than last time around two years ago.

[Monitor]

Quarum call going on now.

[Monitor]

Recess for caucus.

[Ladysmith]

Any guesses as to what'll happen tonight? I can stay right here and keep studying if it doesn't get too ungodly late.

[Monitor]

Any guesses as to what'll happen tonight? I can stay right here and keep studying if it doesn't get too ungodly late.

I don't think they'd be in partisan caucuses unless they were busy arm twisting and counting votes. If they weren't planning on doing something more tonight, they would have adjourned for the evening.

BTW, the Assembly's insession web site is already showing the schedule for the 15th. SB-403 is still listed on today's schedule.

Just my guess, though, FWIW.

[Ladysmith]

Ok, I'm just keep plugging away here then. I can sleep in tomorrow.

[Ronaldus Magnus]

I'm guessing that the PPA will be pushed to tomorrow so I'm hitting the hay. Good luck on whatever you are studying for, I presume your final.

[Ladysmith]

Yes, I am. Thank you. Sleep well.

[Monitor]

"The Wisconsin Assembly will reassemble at 11:30PM."

[Ladysmith]

My, how time flies.

[Monitor]

LOL!

The longer this goes on, the more I worry about all the extra "ingredients" the cooks are sticking into our sausage.

[Ladysmith]

Boy, isn't THAT the truth!

[Ladysmith]

I don't know about you but this music is being "seared into my memory".

ack!

[Monitor]

Back in session.

[Monitor]

They're now finally debating adoption of amendments to SB-403!!!

[Ladysmith]

Here we go. The BS to restrict law-abiding citizens "for the children".

[Ladysmith]

Oh, sure hope Moulton speaks up - he owns a lot of businesses here. And he's pro-2nd.

[MissouriConservative]

What is up with this crap?

Instruction on the privilege of self-defense and the defense of others

Instruction on how to avoid injuring 3rd parties when defending himself, herself, or others in a manner that is privileged under s. 939.48

Privilege? I always thought self defense was a right?

[Monitor]

There's now 17 proposed amendments to SB-403.

[gnarledmaw]

Some nutbag is claiming Concealed carry holders have a 66% crime rate, "far higher" than the norm...

Who is this jackass?

[Ladysmith]

Boyle from the 73rd. I just fired off an email to Gunderson about these lies... LAW-ABIDING citizens are not the threat to LEO.

[gnarledmaw]

Woman from the 20th equates CCW holders to abortion clinic bombers? Im more concerned about wackos who would belive that...