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Canada: Bystanders ignore plight of burning homeless man
The Times Colonist ^ | December 14, 2005 | Maurice Bridge

Posted on 12/14/2005 7:54:20 PM PST by Stoat

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1 posted on 12/14/2005 7:54:21 PM PST by Stoat
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To: Stoat

One more reason to boycott Starbucks.


2 posted on 12/14/2005 7:58:32 PM PST by dsc
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To: Stoat
This is the signature of a Lib-dominated society.
It's not my damned job. I pay enough taxes for this to be picked up, like the stuff in my trash can.
3 posted on 12/14/2005 7:58:46 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Stoat
"Man, this guy was toast!" bad, bad, bad
4 posted on 12/14/2005 8:02:03 PM PST by CommandoFrank (Peer into the depths of hell and there you will find the face of Islam...)
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To: Stoat

I'm from Vancouver. Those "people" are a nusience. They're scum. I can fully understand why no one would care.


5 posted on 12/14/2005 8:04:00 PM PST by furquhart (Took-Took-Tookie-Goodbye)
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To: CommandoFrank

I guess he wasn't on the sunny side of the street.


6 posted on 12/14/2005 8:04:49 PM PST by Dick Vomer (liberals suck......... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.)
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To: Stoat

OK, who ordered the Janet Reno special?


7 posted on 12/14/2005 8:04:49 PM PST by hang 'em (Is Devil Worship "one of the World's Great Religions"?)
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To: Stoat

Another good reason to widen bans on smoking in public.


8 posted on 12/14/2005 8:05:16 PM PST by Old Professer (Fix the problem, not the blame!)
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To: Stoat

The reality of Canada's liberals


9 posted on 12/14/2005 8:06:52 PM PST by Wiz
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To: furquhart

Nuisance or not, they are people in plain view, turning one's head does not make a problem disappear.


10 posted on 12/14/2005 8:08:41 PM PST by Old Professer (Fix the problem, not the blame!)
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To: Stoat
She said another woman customer standing at the counter told her: "Just leave him alone, he's a homeless person," Wellstead recalled. "I looked at her and I said, 'What are you talking about?' "And she says, 'He's homeless, just forget it.' "

Am I the only one who's skeptical of this account? Sounds a bit OTT.
11 posted on 12/14/2005 8:09:41 PM PST by Welsh Rabbit
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To: Welsh Rabbit
Am I the only one who's skeptical of this account? Sounds a bit OTT.

Judging from a self-proclaimed Vancouver resident who is posting in this very thread, it sounds to be rather in-line with the example that is being given us here.

12 posted on 12/14/2005 8:13:59 PM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Welsh Rabbit

Aside from the fact that I am a bit skeptical about any MSM story...yes, I can believe this happening.


13 posted on 12/14/2005 8:15:03 PM PST by sarasmom ("The French are revolting." Some phrases are true on so many levels, it's mystical!)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
Damned straight! Look at the things quoted, I'm hard pressed to think that anyone in America would sit and watch someone on fire, help put it out and think they deserve kudos unless your Jesse Jackson.
14 posted on 12/14/2005 8:15:17 PM PST by lizma
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To: Stoat

So much to think. So little to really say.

Thank the Good Lord for this woman to help this poor man.


15 posted on 12/14/2005 8:18:25 PM PST by jocon307
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To: Old Professer

Well, not to be flip, but it would have in this particular case.


16 posted on 12/14/2005 8:18:29 PM PST by furquhart (Took-Took-Tookie-Goodbye)
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To: lizma

I think you would be shocked how many people would watch someone burn.


17 posted on 12/14/2005 8:19:13 PM PST by satchmodog9 ( Seventy million spent on the lefts Christmas present and all they got was a Scooter)
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To: Welsh Rabbit

Maybe, but homeless advocates are notorious liars. Remember all those BS statistics they gave us in the '80s about a hundred homeless people dying every minute (or something like that)?


18 posted on 12/14/2005 8:19:54 PM PST by Welsh Rabbit
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To: Stoat

Oops. #18 was meant for you.


19 posted on 12/14/2005 8:20:49 PM PST by Welsh Rabbit
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To: satchmodog9

I don't imagine they'd watch. I imagine they'd walk straight on - it's easier that way.

Like I said, I'm from Vancouver. We have, probably, the biggest drug problem in the Western World. Our streets look like something out of some dystopian sci-fi film half the time.

It may sound insensitive but, a lot of the time, I find myself wishing, a la Travis Bickle in Taxi Driver, for a "hard rain to wash all the scum off the streets."


20 posted on 12/14/2005 8:22:05 PM PST by furquhart (Took-Took-Tookie-Goodbye)
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To: furquhart
Those "people" are a nusience. They're scum. I can fully understand why no one would care.
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21 posted on 12/14/2005 8:23:27 PM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: Stoat

Burning Homeless Man....Canada's answer to the Burning Man thing in the Western US.


22 posted on 12/14/2005 8:23:29 PM PST by xp38
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To: Welsh Rabbit
Maybe, but homeless advocates are notorious liars. Remember all those BS statistics they gave us in the '80s about a hundred homeless people dying every minute (or something like that)?

The woman who is quoted is not a professional homeless advocate, she is an ER nurse, as is stated in the article.  As for the professional homeless advocates, I agree 100% with your statement.

23 posted on 12/14/2005 8:24:06 PM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: lizma

I'm hard pressed to think that anyone in America
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24 posted on 12/14/2005 8:25:07 PM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: Old Professer
I'm from Vancouver too and this guy is a soulless twit.

The guy is on the street because he got bumped off of welfare because he couldn't afford a room on the $510 a month welfare pays for a single person.

If you don't have an address you get no welfare. Zero, nada, zilch.

I knew a homeless guy who was here from England and couldn't collect welfare so he panhandled until he was eventually murdered in crack hotel.

A sympathetic desk clerk let him stay in the room. Unfortunately a junkie broke into the room and accused him of stealing his stash.

Everyone thinks Vancouver is a nice friendly place, which it is if you have money. If you don't people will step over your bleeding corpse and turn around and complain about the inconvenience.
25 posted on 12/14/2005 8:25:13 PM PST by beaver fever
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To: furquhart
I'm from Vancouver. Those "people" are a nusience. They're scum. I can fully understand why no one would care.

Ahhh, come on now, you're really a senator in the Dim party, right?

26 posted on 12/14/2005 8:27:09 PM PST by Fruitbat
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To: furquhart

"I'm from Vancouver. Those "people" are a nusience. They're scum. I can fully understand why no one would care."

You sound as if you'd be happier in North Korea, Cuba or Russia pre-Gorby. Nobody worried about the rabble in those places either.


27 posted on 12/14/2005 8:27:18 PM PST by Rembrandt (We would have won Viet Nam w/o Dim interference.)
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To: Stoat

A homeless man in Canada? Hmm!

They don't even have a Republican or Conservative president. What gives...?


28 posted on 12/14/2005 8:28:21 PM PST by Fruitbat
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To: Stoat

Light a man a fire and he'll be warm for a while.

Light a man on fire, and he'll be warm the rest of his life.


29 posted on 12/14/2005 8:29:17 PM PST by umgud (uncompassionate conservative)
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To: satchmodog9
I think you would be shocked how many people would watch someone burn.

Yeah, in this country I could understand it. Someone would probably get sued for taking the man's sleeping bag off of him if it was below 68 degrees. Burning or not. You risk your life's savings.

30 posted on 12/14/2005 8:29:41 PM PST by Fruitbat
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To: satchmodog9
It's called diffusion of responsibility. When people are in a group they think that it is the group's responsibility to solve a problem, not their own. Diffusion of responsibility is greater when the group is large, respected, and has an authority figure.

In rare instances there are cases where people will take action. This is because these people are either not 'in tune' with the group or because they have a very strong level of personal responsibility. I believe in liberal areas there is a very strong level of group-think and a very weak level of personal responsibility, which is why the greatest atrocities in history have been committed by leftists (because noone would speak up).
31 posted on 12/14/2005 8:30:43 PM PST by burzum (Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people.-Adm H Rickover)
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To: beaver fever

Am I on FreeRepublic or DU here?

If he got bumped off welfare - good. I didn't vote (Provincial) Liberal and donate to the party so that my taxes could go on paying for worthless bums to lay about on the streets dealing drugs.

I'm not saying that it would be a good thing to let the guy burn, I'm simply saying that, all things considered, given the great harm wrought by the scum, I'm not particularly moved by his plight either. If anything, I'm glad she put him out simply so I won't be on the hook for his burn rehabilitation.

And Vancouver isn't a nice place if you have money. I can't go downtown without having my car broken into (twice in the last year alone), nor would I be inclined to walk most parts of the city unarmed.

Hell, a few years ago I left my suitbag in the trunk of a car at the Wall Center for about ten minutes and, when I returned, some bum (perhaps the burning one, one can hope) had broken into every damned car in the underground parking and stolen my $700 suit - and my favorite pair of runners (which were about five years old, and worhtless) from the damned thing.


32 posted on 12/14/2005 8:32:38 PM PST by furquhart (Took-Took-Tookie-Goodbye)
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To: Rembrandt

"You sound as if you'd be happier in North Korea, Cuba or Russia pre-Gorby. Nobody worried about the rabble in those places either."

What "rabble"? We're not talking about ordinary citizens here, we're talking about Meth and Heroin addicts who constantly steal the property of their fellow citizens - both by active theft and through the government assistance they receive - and who are coddled by government at all levels (or, at least, certianly by the Municipal and Federal Governments).


33 posted on 12/14/2005 8:34:19 PM PST by furquhart (Took-Took-Tookie-Goodbye)
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To: Stoat
Gee... you'd think in liberal Vancouver they'd be compassionate to the homeless? Nah.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie.Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

34 posted on 12/14/2005 8:34:54 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Stoat

Typical Starbucks customers.

Moral of this story: If you are homeless,have seizures, smoke, and sleep in a flammable blanket, better do it outside Dunkin' Donuts.


35 posted on 12/14/2005 8:35:53 PM PST by Palladin (Merry Christmas! God bless us, every one!)
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To: burzum

101 doesn't take the place of 911; amateur psychology aside, the point here is the man was smoldering along with his blanket; at least someone might expect the smell to interfere with their enjoyment of the evening and piss on the poor bastard.


36 posted on 12/14/2005 8:38:26 PM PST by Old Professer (Fix the problem, not the blame!)
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To: beaver fever
Goes on to show socialism hasn't made people kinder and gentler. But that's what you get if all you think it takes to help people is to give them a check and say then whatever happens to them afterwards is not our responsibility. The government produces more alienation than capitalism. If Marx were alive today, he would have to rework the idea of man being estranged from himself.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie.Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

37 posted on 12/14/2005 8:39:35 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: furquhart

I have been saving a suit in which I expected my wife to bury me; the thing is over 40 years old as I was married in it.

What you just said makes me think I will just go ahead and have her put me down in my jeans and pullover.


38 posted on 12/14/2005 8:41:35 PM PST by Old Professer (Fix the problem, not the blame!)
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To: furquhart

"Am I on FreeRepublic or DU here? "

You're on Free Republic and you're still a twit.

There's nothing conservative about watching an epileptic burn to death in an alley.

And by the way the people breaking into your car are Vietnamese gangs. The people stealing your car are Sikh gangs.

I have never seen a Sikh or Vietnamese living on the street.

Steet people panhandle or collect bottles and used clothing. I know because there at least 10 regulars within 2 blocks of my apartment.


39 posted on 12/14/2005 8:41:42 PM PST by beaver fever
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To: burzum
I would only add to your assessment that the nanny state has everyone conditioned to "let the authorities take care of it". You don't need a gun to protect yourself/family--call 911 and let the cops handle it. Don't teach your kids anything (especially about sex)--let the state do it. Don't worry about being financially stable before starting a family--we'll take care of everything. Don't worry about that burning human being--there must be someone in "the system" that's in charge of burning people.
40 posted on 12/14/2005 8:42:16 PM PST by randog (What the....?!)
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To: furquhart
The entire idea of putting someone on the dole sounds good in theory. Of course in reality you're destroy a person's self-sufficiency and dignity. They're dying slowly from within. Conservatives want to give people the inner life they deserve, not merely that which people see on the outside - and we get denounced for being heartless. A human being is not just defined by the possessions he has but by the the things people don't often stop to think about - like the soul.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie.Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

41 posted on 12/14/2005 8:43:40 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: beaver fever
You're on Free Republic and you're still a twit.

 


42 posted on 12/14/2005 8:44:16 PM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Stoat

Funny.

I'm not sure what it means but it's funny.


43 posted on 12/14/2005 8:46:10 PM PST by beaver fever
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To: randog
Uh huh... the ideal of 19th Century Marxism and the Young Hegelians was human emancipation. We are not free until we are the captains of our own fate. Our work is not really ours until its the spontaneous product of our own intelligence and creativity and it exalts all the potential we are capable of. Freedom is at its essence, freedom from being dominated by the material world, by nature, by want and by hunger. It means Man qua Man is true to himself as he is and that Man can make the world rather than be made by the world. Of course, all that has been forgotten by the Left as well as the point: previous philosophers have interpreted the world; the task of philosophy today is to change it.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie.Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

44 posted on 12/14/2005 8:51:20 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

That falls under the category of self estrangement AKA the lumpen proletariat who actively reinforce their own oppression.

Which is kinda what street people do. They construct a survivalist economy that is 'invisible' to the rest of society.

Some make a go of it and some die.

BTW I find most street people to be rather polite and quite thankful when you give them some beer bottles and a little bit of change.


45 posted on 12/14/2005 8:52:49 PM PST by beaver fever
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To: beaver fever
I'm not sure what it means but it's funny.

I'm glad that you liked it.  :-)

I post that pic whenever I perceive a 'blossoming argument'.  The reason being is that I have found the FR "Administrators" to be utterly ruthless when administering what they perceive to be their brand of justice, which often involves pulling an entire thread for 'whatever' reason and never bothering with a coherent explanation. I have had several threads pulled and have never been offered even the barest suggestion of a courteous or meaningful explanation.

I am truly enjoying your posts as well as everyone else's, and I am hoping that this thread won't be pulled because "somebody" thinks that the FR ban on 'personal attacks' is being violated.

No offense was intended, please carry on   :-)

46 posted on 12/14/2005 8:54:35 PM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: goldstategop
The entire idea of putting someone on the dole sounds good in theory. Of course in reality you're destroy a person's self-sufficiency and dignity. They're dying slowly from within. Conservatives want to give people the inner life they deserve, not merely that which people see on the outside - and we get denounced for being heartless. A human being is not just defined by the possessions he has but by the the things people don't often stop to think about - like the soul.

Agree in many ways, not all.

Liberals seemingly think that all the members of the preferred victim classes need is CASH and UNDERSTANDING. They think implicitly that most people have the habits and attitudes of the upper middle class, and have just run into "bad luck."

Conservatives have it correct that you can coddle people with too much touchy-feely, and that govt. screws up things and people. And they are correct that self-reliance (in the main) is the way to go about things.

But they are both missing out that many of the underclass have never had any good examples, many have chemical dependencies or mental problems, and many have never been loved in their lives, and demonstrate this fact by many self-destructive tendencies. Which they cling to even after being told better (so much for the condescending liberal public service ads which say 'the more you know...').

So merely giving them 'tough love' is not enough, they need LOVE period (see also the Church...)

These folk need to be rebuilt from the inside--as one character in a novel said:

"Get a new soul. That thing's not fit for a dog."

47 posted on 12/14/2005 8:54:40 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: dsc
NOTHING justifies leaving someone burning in the gutter. That unnamed woman is a repulsive human being. I pray she is never in a situation where her life depends on the assistance of another, and she is not deemed "worthy" of their help. Ugh, disgusting whore. *spit*

And to the nurse who helped, thank you.

As others have said on this thread, too many people (especially in Canada) think that the government will solve all problems, and that they are individually responsible for little.

48 posted on 12/14/2005 8:56:54 PM PST by M203M4
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To: beaver fever
Imagine that, an alcoholic who is happy you gave him booze. Do you pass out cigarettes to the lung cancer patients in the cancer ward? I be they are dying for one.
49 posted on 12/14/2005 8:57:19 PM PST by tfecw (It's for the children)
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To: beaver fever
Alienation is a question that's exercised history's best minds. But I think there is general agreement today state socialism never resolved the issue. It simply exchanged one form of alienation for another. And the costs of equality were quite simply unacceptable. The loss of freedom and self-rule wasn't worth the price of a centrally planned society. And the few Communist regimes left in existence today all lead an impoverished existence.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie.Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

50 posted on 12/14/2005 8:57:22 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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