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Canada: Bystanders ignore plight of burning homeless man
The Times Colonist ^ | December 14, 2005 | Maurice Bridge

Posted on 12/14/2005 7:54:20 PM PST by Stoat

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To: furquhart
The entire idea of putting someone on the dole sounds good in theory. Of course in reality you're destroy a person's self-sufficiency and dignity. They're dying slowly from within. Conservatives want to give people the inner life they deserve, not merely that which people see on the outside - and we get denounced for being heartless. A human being is not just defined by the possessions he has but by the the things people don't often stop to think about - like the soul.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie.Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

41 posted on 12/14/2005 8:43:40 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: beaver fever
You're on Free Republic and you're still a twit.

 


42 posted on 12/14/2005 8:44:16 PM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Stoat

Funny.

I'm not sure what it means but it's funny.


43 posted on 12/14/2005 8:46:10 PM PST by beaver fever
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To: randog
Uh huh... the ideal of 19th Century Marxism and the Young Hegelians was human emancipation. We are not free until we are the captains of our own fate. Our work is not really ours until its the spontaneous product of our own intelligence and creativity and it exalts all the potential we are capable of. Freedom is at its essence, freedom from being dominated by the material world, by nature, by want and by hunger. It means Man qua Man is true to himself as he is and that Man can make the world rather than be made by the world. Of course, all that has been forgotten by the Left as well as the point: previous philosophers have interpreted the world; the task of philosophy today is to change it.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie.Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

44 posted on 12/14/2005 8:51:20 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

That falls under the category of self estrangement AKA the lumpen proletariat who actively reinforce their own oppression.

Which is kinda what street people do. They construct a survivalist economy that is 'invisible' to the rest of society.

Some make a go of it and some die.

BTW I find most street people to be rather polite and quite thankful when you give them some beer bottles and a little bit of change.


45 posted on 12/14/2005 8:52:49 PM PST by beaver fever
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To: beaver fever
I'm not sure what it means but it's funny.

I'm glad that you liked it.  :-)

I post that pic whenever I perceive a 'blossoming argument'.  The reason being is that I have found the FR "Administrators" to be utterly ruthless when administering what they perceive to be their brand of justice, which often involves pulling an entire thread for 'whatever' reason and never bothering with a coherent explanation. I have had several threads pulled and have never been offered even the barest suggestion of a courteous or meaningful explanation.

I am truly enjoying your posts as well as everyone else's, and I am hoping that this thread won't be pulled because "somebody" thinks that the FR ban on 'personal attacks' is being violated.

No offense was intended, please carry on   :-)

46 posted on 12/14/2005 8:54:35 PM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: goldstategop
The entire idea of putting someone on the dole sounds good in theory. Of course in reality you're destroy a person's self-sufficiency and dignity. They're dying slowly from within. Conservatives want to give people the inner life they deserve, not merely that which people see on the outside - and we get denounced for being heartless. A human being is not just defined by the possessions he has but by the the things people don't often stop to think about - like the soul.

Agree in many ways, not all.

Liberals seemingly think that all the members of the preferred victim classes need is CASH and UNDERSTANDING. They think implicitly that most people have the habits and attitudes of the upper middle class, and have just run into "bad luck."

Conservatives have it correct that you can coddle people with too much touchy-feely, and that govt. screws up things and people. And they are correct that self-reliance (in the main) is the way to go about things.

But they are both missing out that many of the underclass have never had any good examples, many have chemical dependencies or mental problems, and many have never been loved in their lives, and demonstrate this fact by many self-destructive tendencies. Which they cling to even after being told better (so much for the condescending liberal public service ads which say 'the more you know...').

So merely giving them 'tough love' is not enough, they need LOVE period (see also the Church...)

These folk need to be rebuilt from the inside--as one character in a novel said:

"Get a new soul. That thing's not fit for a dog."

47 posted on 12/14/2005 8:54:40 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: dsc
NOTHING justifies leaving someone burning in the gutter. That unnamed woman is a repulsive human being. I pray she is never in a situation where her life depends on the assistance of another, and she is not deemed "worthy" of their help. Ugh, disgusting whore. *spit*

And to the nurse who helped, thank you.

As others have said on this thread, too many people (especially in Canada) think that the government will solve all problems, and that they are individually responsible for little.

48 posted on 12/14/2005 8:56:54 PM PST by M203M4
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To: beaver fever
Imagine that, an alcoholic who is happy you gave him booze. Do you pass out cigarettes to the lung cancer patients in the cancer ward? I be they are dying for one.
49 posted on 12/14/2005 8:57:19 PM PST by tfecw (It's for the children)
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To: beaver fever
Alienation is a question that's exercised history's best minds. But I think there is general agreement today state socialism never resolved the issue. It simply exchanged one form of alienation for another. And the costs of equality were quite simply unacceptable. The loss of freedom and self-rule wasn't worth the price of a centrally planned society. And the few Communist regimes left in existence today all lead an impoverished existence.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie.Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

50 posted on 12/14/2005 8:57:22 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Stoat
At least Alberta premier Ralph Klein had the decency to openly berate those men at the homeless shelter after a "campaign appearance" at the bar next door.

One of the great moments in modern politics . . . "How the hell can you be homeless when there are more jobs than people in this province?"

51 posted on 12/14/2005 8:59:20 PM PST by Alberta's Child (What it all boils down to is that no one's really got it figured out just yet.)
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To: tfecw

I think he means empty bottles, for the recycling deposit...


52 posted on 12/14/2005 8:59:48 PM PST by M203M4
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To: furquhart
I'm from Vancouver. Those "people" are a nusience. They're scum. I can fully understand why no one would care.
And you wouldn't mind a human being burning to death. I wish you a Merry Christmas, FRiend.
53 posted on 12/14/2005 9:00:19 PM PST by indcons
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To: Stoat

'blossoming argument'

Heh Heh. You said blossom.

What I like about your post is that hit on the highlights of strong willed Black women. I always love those 'in your face' exchanges.

eg Diffn't Strokes


54 posted on 12/14/2005 9:00:22 PM PST by beaver fever
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To: beaver fever
Steet people panhandle or collect bottles and used clothing. I know because there at least 10 regulars within 2 blocks of my apartment.

I'm in Vancouver a couple times a year and the number of homeless is staggering to me, and I'm from Chicago. We often have meetings that go late and end up out for dinner @ 9-10PM. Granville is unbelievable at night.

Just an observation from an American who can't understand with the near-socialist government of BC why the level of homelessness seems higher than the US. Oh, BTW, my car was broken into as well at the Fairmont garage.

55 posted on 12/14/2005 9:01:03 PM PST by NewsJunqui
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To: M203M4
oooh :)

That makes more sense then.
56 posted on 12/14/2005 9:03:35 PM PST by tfecw (It's for the children)
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To: furquhart

"Am I on FreeRepublic or DU here?"

Good luck tring to figure that out. I'm sure you'll find the answer one day.


57 posted on 12/14/2005 9:04:17 PM PST by indcons
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To: Stoat

Homeless in Toronto.

Should be worth a drippy movie.


58 posted on 12/14/2005 9:05:23 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (What? Me worry?)
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To: NewsJunqui
Other Canadian cities have been known to give away at homeless shelters one way bus tickets to Vancouver. It is also a city of very mild climate compared to the rest of Canada (an extra big plus if you are homeless).

Of course, it is extremely expensive to live in Vancouver, so it is nearly impossible to pull yourself up while there. :(

59 posted on 12/14/2005 9:06:49 PM PST by M203M4
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To: Stoat

Heartless blood suckers to the north. savages.


60 posted on 12/14/2005 9:07:22 PM PST by Porterville (Keep your communism off my paycheck)
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