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Saddam's WMD Moved to Syria, An Israeli Says
http://www.nysun.com/article/24480 ^ | IRA STOLL

Posted on 12/15/2005 5:14:36 AM PST by mal

Saddam Hussein moved his chemical weapons to Syria six weeks before the war started, Israel's top general during Operation Iraqi Freedom says.

The assertion comes as President Bush said yesterday that much of the intelligence on Iraq's weapons of mass destruction was incorrect.

The Israeli officer, Lieutenant General Moshe Yaalon, asserted that Saddam spirited his chemical weapons out of the country on the eve of the war. "He transferred the chemical agents from Iraq to Syria," General Yaalon told The New York Sun over dinner in New York on Tuesday night. "No one went to Syria to find it."

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KEYWORDS: assad; bekkavalley; duelfer; hideandseek; iraq; mosheyaalon; prequel; syria; wmd; zarqawi
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1 posted on 12/15/2005 5:14:37 AM PST by mal
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To: mal

Why has the administration refused to make this case?


2 posted on 12/15/2005 5:17:36 AM PST by Perdogg ("Facts are stupid things." - President Ronald Wilson Reagan)
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To: mal
This tale may or may not be true, but I still think the President spoke too soon in assuming personal responsibility.

Some day, the world and Paul Harvey may have "the rest of the story".

Leni

3 posted on 12/15/2005 5:18:17 AM PST by MinuteGal
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To: mal

The ones that Saddam didn't sell to terrorists.


4 posted on 12/15/2005 5:20:11 AM PST by saveliberty (Stop the McCainity. Vote Conservative.)
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To: Perdogg

Because we would have to go to the places in Siria where they buried the WMD, and we want to finish Iraq first. As long as the WMD are buried, they aren't going to hurt anyone.


5 posted on 12/15/2005 5:21:02 AM PST by SubMareener (Become a monthly donor! Free FreeRepublic.com from Quarterly FReepathons!)
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To: Perdogg
Why has the administration refused to make this case?

Because it then would be compelled to go into Syria and get them....... This is bad?

Mike

6 posted on 12/15/2005 5:21:14 AM PST by MichaelP ("Opportunities multiply as they are seized." Sun Tzu)
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To: mal
He's not the only one making that claim:

It’s really too bad about Duelfer’s work being “cut short” because of Zarqawi. The trail of WMD isn’t cold. It leads to Syria and the Bekka Valley of formerly Syrian-occupied Lebanon, according to a Syrian defector to US intelligence. Gen. Tommy Franks himself leans this way, telling the media that "Two days before the war, on March 17 [2003], we saw through multiple intelligence channels - both human intelligence and technical intelligence, large caravans of people and things, including some of the top 55 [most wanted] Iraqis, going to Syria." What was so important to move to Syria immediately before the War with the top regime officials? Duelfer’s next stop should have been Damascus. With Syrian President Bashar Assad now admitting that he has stockpiles of WMD, perhaps it should be ours.

Source.

7 posted on 12/15/2005 5:22:02 AM PST by Quilla
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To: mal
If we had any real investigative reporters left in this country, or if Clinton were Pres, this would be their #1 story.

Unfortunately, America is not their priority, their "investigations" extend only to emails about a hurricane, and a so-called leak that damaged no one, while ignoring leaks that damage a war effort.
8 posted on 12/15/2005 5:25:18 AM PST by roses of sharon
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To: Perdogg

"Why has the administration refused to make this case?"


My guess is that 'somebody' helped move them and outing the WHO would open another can of worms, and our liberals would demand a public display of "INTEL". Could well be that making the case would endanger real "covert" entities.


9 posted on 12/15/2005 5:25:22 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Perdogg
Why has the administration refused to make this case?

Head up: Every time I ask that question, a segment of people come along to tell me how wrong I am to even ask. It's considered "negative" to even ask this simple question.

For the lurkers, some other WMD information to digest:

Charles Duelfer said he can't rule out the possibility that Iraq's WMD were secretly shipped to Syria before 3/03 citing sufficient credible evidence that the WMD were moved.

Duelfer made the findings in an addendum to his final report last year.

It was well known that Syria was a major conduit for obtaining UN-banned materials for Iraq. Several senior US officials have seen intelligence which shows it is likely that Iraq's WMD went to Syria.

Retired Marine Lt. Gen. Michael DeLong, the dputy commander of CentCom, wrote in his book "Inside CentCom" that intelligence reports pointed to WMD movement into Syria.

John Shaw, then the deputy undersecretary of defense for international technology security, told The Times in October 2004 that Russian special forces and intelligence troops worked with Saddam's intel services to move WMD to Syria.

Before changing his mind again (ala John Kerry), David Kay, the UN weapons inspector, told Tom Brokaw in July 2003 that based on millions of pages of internal Iraqi government documents recovered from Saddam's regime, he was convinced that Iraq had WMD which were taken out of the country before the war. Among the documents which have been translated:

- corresponsence between various Iraqi organizations giving instructions on how to hide WMD;

- chemical agent purchase orders dated 12/01;

- WMD protection suits and instructions on how to hide chemicals;

- ricin research; and

- a memo from the Iraqi Intelligence Service on how to hid information from a UN inspection team.

Bill Clinton, perhaps remembering his own rhetoric about the danger that Iraq's WMD program posed to not just the region but the United States, said in a July 2003 interview on Larry Kind that "it is incontestable that on the day I left office, there was a substantial amount of biological and chemical material unaccounted for" in Iraq.

In June 2004, UNMOVIC's executive Chairman, Demetrius Perricos, detailed the exprt of thousands of tons of missile components, nuclear reactor vessels and formentors for WMD warheads and the discovery of some of these items, with UN inspection tags still on them, as far away as Turkey, Holland and Jordan.

"According to a July 10, 2004, Washington Post article on the Senate Intelligence Committee findings about Wilson's investigatory trip to Niger, Africa, unanimously agreed by all committee senators, including Democrats, “The panel found that Wilson’s report, rather than debunking intelligence about purported uranium sales to Iraq, as he has said, bolstered the case for most intelligence analysts.

And contrary to Wilson’s assertions and even the government’s previous statements, the CIA did not tell the White House it had qualms about the reliability of the Africa intelligence that made its way into 16 fateful words in President Bush’s January 2003 State of the Union address.

”In March, 2003, when U.S. tanks rolled into Iraq, 500 tons of yellow cake uranium was found at the Iraqi nuclear research center of al-Tuwaitha. This included 1.8 tons of partly enriched uranium. On June 23, 2004, the U.S. military, working with the U.S. Department of Energy removed this material to the US where is held at an unnamed Department of Energy facility."

10 posted on 12/15/2005 5:25:56 AM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Perdogg
I agree. Remember before the 1st Gulf War, Saddam sent 25 F14 jets to Iran for safekeeping. Iran, with whom he'd been warring for years... a sworn enemy.

Best I can figure is they're not ready to march against Syria yet. Maybe they're flipping a coin between Syria and Iran.

11 posted on 12/15/2005 5:26:40 AM PST by theDentist (Typo ergo qwerty : I type, therefore I misspell.)
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To: MinuteGal

I believe it was the best thing he could have done, the weapons will be found, and when they are, he will be the only one entitled to any credit. Nobel peace price? probably not, but history will treat him well.


12 posted on 12/15/2005 5:26:44 AM PST by pennboricua
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To: Perdogg

Because the Dems can make it look bad on the President.

They could say we allowed WMD's to cross from Iraq to Syria and we did nothing to stop them. They could say the President didn't show enough strength to stop the flow of WMD's. Remember the convoys going to Syria?


13 posted on 12/15/2005 5:27:20 AM PST by Liberfighter (A half truth is a whole lie)
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To: mal

Why don't the Democrat leftist lunatic traitors call on their friend the UN to investigate by sending an inspection team to Syria?


14 posted on 12/15/2005 5:28:53 AM PST by pleikumud
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To: Perdogg

Maybe I'm naiive or underinformed, but I haven't heard anyone ask where the physical eveidence of the destruction of the WMDs is. The UN certified that he had large stockpiles during the Clinton administration; if they were destroyed, where were they destroyed? Shouldn't there be some physical evidence of same? Where's the broken gun?


15 posted on 12/15/2005 5:30:07 AM PST by Humble Servant (Keep it simple - do what's right.)
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To: Peach
I suspect that the Administration cannot get into a spitting contest with the CIA operatives that seek their destruction.

For to do that would require classified info to be released by the Admin, which would be illegal and harmful to the nation's intell.

And their CIA enemies would not be held to the same standard.

It is an impossible situation when the US media works for the enemy of this nation.
16 posted on 12/15/2005 5:32:01 AM PST by roses of sharon
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To: Humble Servant
The administration stated lack of evidence of weapon destruction as reason. There should have been records of their destruction or evidence of such action. Iraq provided neither.
17 posted on 12/15/2005 5:35:33 AM PST by satchmodog9 ( Seventy million spent on the lefts Christmas present and all they got was a Scooter)
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To: Quilla

In the News/Activism forum, on a thread titled Saddam's WMD Moved to Syria, An Israeli Says, Quilla wrote:
He's not the only one making that claim:
It’s really too bad about Duelfer’s work being “cut short” because of Zarqawi. The trail of WMD isn’t cold. It leads to Syria and the Bekka Valley of formerly Syrian-occupied Lebanon, according to a Syrian defector to US intelligence. Gen. Tommy Franks himself leans this way, telling the media that "Two days before the war, on March 17 [2003], we saw through multiple intelligence channels - both human intelligence and technical intelligence, large caravans of people and things, including some of the top 55 [most wanted] Iraqis, going to Syria." What was so important to move to Syria immediately before the War with the top regime officials? Duelfer’s next stop should have been Damascus. With Syrian President Bashar Assad now admitting that he has stockpiles of WMD, perhaps it should be ours.

Source.
Thanks a million for the link. Great article for lunchtime reading!


18 posted on 12/15/2005 5:35:49 AM PST by Humble Servant (Keep it simple - do what's right.)
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To: mal
Democrats and other anti-Americans have clung to the fact that no WMD were found in Iraq as the reason for their return to power.

Sorry. It won't wash. There was plenty of time for Saddam to move the WMD out of the country and there was plenty of evidence that he did just that.

Democrats ignore the use of WMD by Saddam against the Kurds. Of course, in order to use WMD against the Kurds, or anyone else, it would have been necessary for Saddam to have WMD. That obvious fact is apparently too complicated for some to grasp.
19 posted on 12/15/2005 5:36:28 AM PST by R.W.Ratikal
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To: Perdogg

"Why has the administration refused to make this case?"

I suspect Syria has been penciled into the Middle East re-arrangment schedule for sometime after the 2006 US elections.


20 posted on 12/15/2005 5:39:29 AM PST by Rebelbase (Green bean casserole is a culinary curse upon mankind.)
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To: SubMareener
"Because we would have to go to the places in Syria where they buried the WMD, and we want to finish Iraq first ..."


BINGO!!

FWIW ... that's exactly why we are treading rather softly on Iran, also. ;)





21 posted on 12/15/2005 5:39:38 AM PST by G.Mason (Others have died for my freedom; now this is my mark ... Marine Corporal Jeffrey Starr, KIA 04-30-05)
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To: pennboricua

I have been saying this for a long time - history will be kind to this President. History will not be so kind to Kofi - and his grandchildren will be embarassed to carry his name (if they haven't changed it already).

I hope I live long enough to see this happen.


22 posted on 12/15/2005 5:40:39 AM PST by SusaninOhio
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To: Perdogg
A. The hope that Syria will follow Libya's path.

B. Getting all the data and links before closing the loop.

23 posted on 12/15/2005 5:42:31 AM PST by Alia
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To: theDentist

Saddam never had the F14. He sent Mirages and MiGs.


24 posted on 12/15/2005 5:44:52 AM PST by rahbert
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To: mal
During the run up to the war,I clearly recall having heard mention made of an enormous amount of activity occurring at the Iraq/Syria border involving trucks,etc.

In fact,I think that Colin Powell presented some satellite photos showing this activity at the UN.

However,we'll never be able to prove this unless a)Syria has refrained from destroying these materials and b)we're able to take Syria by surprise in inspecting sites where it's hidden.

25 posted on 12/15/2005 5:47:29 AM PST by Gay State Conservative
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To: Perdogg

It would mean going into Syria and I think the administration is just waiting for Syria to give US a good reason to go into their country that doesn't overtly focus on this type of reason.


26 posted on 12/15/2005 5:47:45 AM PST by funkywbr
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To: Perdogg
Why has the administration refused to make this case?

Until it becomes expedient to actually move against Syria militarily, it is a moot point that cannot be satisfactorally proved. Even knowing it's true is of no benefit with the current climate in the MSM and commie Dims, who will howl that it just ain't so, then set about claiming we planted the WMD in Syria, even if we do go in and find them.

27 posted on 12/15/2005 5:48:14 AM PST by trebb ("I am the way... no one comes to the Father, but by me..." - Jesus in John 14:6 (RSV))
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To: Liberfighter

Because the Dems can make it look bad on the President.

Who cares what the Dims. think? They would be to busy backtracking on their "there were no wmds" theories. This might be a reason for them to keep their mouths shut.


28 posted on 12/15/2005 5:50:39 AM PST by wolfcreek
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To: Liberfighter

As I remember, the WMD were being moved into the Beeka sp? valley in Syria. Seems like GeeDubya would have brought this out, especially during the '04 campaign.


29 posted on 12/15/2005 5:56:38 AM PST by stickywillie
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To: satchmodog9
The weapons were moved I believe because of This guy
30 posted on 12/15/2005 5:57:03 AM PST by mc5cents
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To: mal

Same thing that David Kay suggested was a possible scenario. Colin Powell too.


31 posted on 12/15/2005 6:00:54 AM PST by pissant
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To: Peach
The most curious thing to me about missing various WMD programs are the people that worked on these programs must have been in hundreds if not thousands.

Where did they go?  It is fair to assume that they were more educated and were probably largely working against their collective wills in many cases but yet have not come forward.

If Hussein slaughtered them all, there would be some of evidence of that too.

Perhaps al-Qaeda knows something we don't and that's what they're really fighting for.

32 posted on 12/15/2005 6:05:08 AM PST by quantim (Detroit is the New Orleans of the north, settled by the French and ruined by liberals.)
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To: mal

The military and GWB should have said for the past two years that "we found the WMD in Iraq the day we captured Saddam Hussein."

Semper Fi,
Kelly


33 posted on 12/15/2005 6:05:53 AM PST by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: Perdogg
Why has the administration refused to make this case?

Because he doesn't want Syria to know how much we know? And because he's not ready to go public with what we're doing about it?

34 posted on 12/15/2005 6:07:05 AM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: Perdogg
Why has the administration refused to make this case?

If you didn't have an absolute fix on where they were located, would you want every terrorist in the world to know where they are? Better they think there were none, then to let them know they are out there somewhere.

35 posted on 12/15/2005 6:09:59 AM PST by McGavin999 (Reporters write the truth, Journalists write stories.)
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To: rahbert

My apologies. I should have used the blanket term "military fighters".


36 posted on 12/15/2005 6:14:01 AM PST by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspell.)
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To: Peach
Charles Duelfer said he can't rule out the possibility that Iraq's WMD were secretly shipped to Syria before 3/03 citing sufficient credible evidence that the WMD were moved.

Well I'm sure Duelfer can't rule out the possibility that these invisible WMDs were shipped to the North Pole and Santa Claus has them now either. The reason the issue has been dropped is because it's clear the WMDs were just not there and hadn't been there for a long time. Of course maybe you've got some intel there the administration hasn't seen (being they are in the government). Maybe you should email it to them and ask them to discuss each point. The response you get should be a riot

Of course I expect your response to be replete with important information that's been covered up by the evil MSM and links to WorldNutDaily and the Weakly Standard as 'proof'. And yet no one in the administration takes time to discuss this so-called evidence. Should tell you something don't you think? Hey, maybe Bush is holding the evidence until 2006 elections!! Yeah, that's the ticket...

37 posted on 12/15/2005 6:14:34 AM PST by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: Quilla

“Bush lied and people died,” goes the liberal mantra. Since the Iraq Survey Group found no WMD, Iraq never had any WMD. Really!?!

Final reports of ISG heads David Kay and Charles Duelfer state, “ISG is unable to complete its investigation and is unable to rule out the possibility that WMD was evacuated to Syria before the war…There was evidence of a discussion of possible WMD collaboration initiated by a Syrian security officer, and ISG received information about movement of material out of Iraq, including the possibility that WMD was involved… In the judgment of the working group, these reports were sufficiently credible to merit further investigation."

Furthermore DOD officials cite worldwide intelligence reports pointing to WMD movement into Syria. CENTCOM cites Russian Special Forces and intelligence troops worked with Saddam's intelligence service moving weapons and material to Syria, Lebanon and possibly Iran. Numerous other sources report the same general theme, with different details without contradiction. Finally, the New York Post and New York Times reported on testimony of former Iraqi scientists indicating some banned weapons went to Syria.

Until these allegations can be disproved, I wouldn’t hang my hat on, Bush lied because we found no WMD in Iraq.


38 posted on 12/15/2005 6:15:30 AM PST by Col. Bob (To give in is to commit national suicide)
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To: satchmodog9

"The administration stated lack of evidence of weapon destruction as reason. There should have been records of their destruction or evidence of such action. Iraq provided neither."

This is the part I don't understand the administration not emphasizing. If I were Bush, I'd be remind people of two things:

"Iraq was given every opportunity to provide evidence their *documented* WMDs were destroyed. It failed to do so."

"Hussein was given the opportunity to leave the country peacefully, and there would have been no military action. He failed to leave."

"Those two factors left us no choice but to invade Iraq."

Simple enough. No "mea culpa". No "failure of intelligence". I don't get it.


39 posted on 12/15/2005 6:16:19 AM PST by PreciousLiberty
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To: Perdogg

How do we difine WMD today? It is 1,000 or more killed by a single impact or 500 or 100 or 1 million?


40 posted on 12/15/2005 6:20:06 AM PST by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: Col. Bob
CENTCOM cites Russian Special Forces and intelligence troops worked with Saddam's intelligence service moving weapons and material to Syria, Lebanon and possibly Iran.

From Bill Gertz in The Washington Times::

2 Russian generals given awards in Iraq on war eve

Snip:

"The mission and the reason the generals received the awards were not disclosed in the April 2, 2003, report. However, Gen. Achalov told the newspaper that he 'didn't fly to Baghdad to drink coffee.'"

Snip:

"John A. Shaw, deputy undersecretary of defense for international technology security, said this week that two European intelligence services have obtained documentary evidence indicating Russian spetsnaz, or special forces, troops were involved in a covert program to shred documents on Russian arms sales to Iraq, and to move weapons out of the country to Syria, Lebanon and possibly Iran. "

41 posted on 12/15/2005 6:26:27 AM PST by Quilla
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To: SubMareener
As long as the WMD are buried, they aren't going to hurt anyone.

??? We don't know where they are so it's presumptous to make this statement. They may be in the hands of terrorists for all we know.

42 posted on 12/15/2005 6:26:31 AM PST by plain talk
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To: Perdogg
Why has the administration refused to make this case?

Because our Military and our CIC know much more about Saddam's WMD program (or lack thereof of any up and running WMD program) then does this Israeli -

The WMD equation was merely one reason out of more then a dozen on why we needed to move on removing Saddam from power. The World (and America) are safer because of our actions.

However with that said the case still remains that Saddam did not posses the up and running WMD program we suspected to find at the start of OIF (in 2003) - Nor does it appear that he had an updated and operational WMD program going during the late 90's into 2003 like we suspected he did (like the World suspected he did).

But regardless he was a threat and needed to be removed post 9-11 (al Qeade did not posses WMDs on Sept 11th....but would anyone seriously try and deny that they weren't a threat??).

43 posted on 12/15/2005 6:27:39 AM PST by SevenMinusOne
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To: Perdogg
"Why has the administration refused to make this case?"

The reports of large convoys to Syria are true. I have heard enough information about it form folks I know who have been in the military (and it doesn't take a Genni's to figure what Saddam was going to do with them anyway).

1. Because (like others have said) we would then be obligated to attack Syria.

2. and more important, the WMD were move with help from the Russians who sold Iraq the technology and materials. If these weapons were discovered by the US with Russian fingerprints all over them, then there would be a REAL BIG mess and we would have to do something about the Ruskies.
44 posted on 12/15/2005 6:29:42 AM PST by MaDeuce (Do it to them, before they do it to you!)
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To: mal

Prove it....just prove it!


45 posted on 12/15/2005 6:29:43 AM PST by LilDarlin (Being very feminine got me this far; it will take me the rest of the way, too!)
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To: Perdogg
Why has the administration refused to make this case?

President Bush probably wants to avoid giving Liberals the ability to claim that he's making a case for war against Syria.

All accusations of the President's "rush" to war are known to be false by those of us who remember how long it actually it took. If the President decides to do something about Syria or Iran, it won't be an invasion, as much as he probably thinks it might be necessary in the long run. The President is far more likely to solidify Iraq's standing in the Middle East, shift focus back to Afghanistan's mountainous regions, and continue to revamp the intelligence and financial aspects of the war on terror.

46 posted on 12/15/2005 6:36:18 AM PST by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: An.American.Expatriate; ASA.Ranger; ASA Vet; Atigun; beyond the sea; BIGLOOK; ...
MI Ping

Syria still tops the "Next" list.

47 posted on 12/15/2005 6:48:15 AM PST by ASA Vet (Those who know don't talk, those who talk don't know.)
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To: mal

How could that be? We certainly didn't give them any warning and we rushed in as soon as we received approval. I am shocked.

Generals should run wars, not pu$$y politicians.


48 posted on 12/15/2005 6:50:12 AM PST by gathersnomoss
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To: mal

Is this intel, as good as the last we got about WMDs?


49 posted on 12/15/2005 6:52:43 AM PST by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: mal
The assertion comes as President Bush said yesterday that much of the intelligence on Iraq's weapons of mass destruction was incorrect.

This assertion from the Israelis came a long time ago, it was backed up by satellite photos taken by our military. Heck, even the UN Inspectors and the CIA made the case.

Aug 2004 - Saddam agents on Syria border helped move banned materials

Apr 2005 - CIA can't rule out WMD move to Syria

Jun 2004 - UN inspectors: Saddam shipped out WMD before war and after

June 2004 - David Kay: Saddam's WMDs are in Syria

Mar 2003 - Israeli Intelligence: Iraqi WMD 'possibly in Syria'

50 posted on 12/15/2005 6:57:15 AM PST by ravingnutter
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