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Microsoft Update - Internet Explorer security fix
12/15/2005 | smith288

Posted on 12/15/2005 7:22:32 AM PST by smith288

Before all you anti-MS fanboys attack my setup let me first say I am an ASP/VB web developer for an online company and require IE and MS so save the firefox/mac posts for another day.

On to the problem at hand...

I got the automatic update last night on my XP pro system and now my IE acts very odd. It seems to open fine but it always opens a new window no matter how I try (ie. type in an addres, using favorites).

The original window stays open but it doesnt allow any interaction with it. If I try to do something in it, it opens yet another window. The new windows act normally. Its just very odd any rather annoying.

Anyone having issues with this auto update comulative patch?

Thanks


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Technical; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: explorer; help; ie; internet; internetexploiter; lowqualitycrap; microsoft; patch; securityflaw; windows
FWIW, i use FF 1.5 as well so anyone who wants to say "here is your fix, getfirefox.com" can be comforted in knowing I have it already.
1 posted on 12/15/2005 7:22:34 AM PST by smith288
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To: smith288

Have you tried Firefox? I love it!


2 posted on 12/15/2005 7:27:24 AM PST by neodad (Rule Number 1: Be Armed)
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To: neodad

Sorry, couldn't resist.


3 posted on 12/15/2005 7:27:43 AM PST by neodad (Rule Number 1: Be Armed)
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To: neodad

hardy har har. ;)


4 posted on 12/15/2005 7:28:15 AM PST by smith288 (Peace at all cost makes for tyranny free of charge...)
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To: smith288

First, don't allow auto-updates. At a minimum, make it give you to option to update or not.

Second, use the system restore to the last pre-update restore point. If the problem goes away, check to see how essential the XP update is.

[I always cringe at updates and upgrades for any software. It seems they create as many, or more, problems than they solve. I always hate those that remove or change a function that I specifically use.]


5 posted on 12/15/2005 7:31:09 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: rdb3; chance33_98; Calvinist_Dark_Lord; Bush2000; PenguinWry; GodGunsandGuts; CyberCowboy777; ...

Tech help requested here


6 posted on 12/15/2005 7:31:54 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: smith288

Odd. Mines fine. Try Folder Options:General:Browse Folders and select open in its own window. I can't think of the problem except maybe the java you're using might have an issue. I am using MS java.


7 posted on 12/15/2005 7:32:00 AM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: TomGuy

LOL...turned off system restore because my awesome computer has a whole 8 gb of space (2 4gb drives).

Well this certainly sucks unmentionables.


8 posted on 12/15/2005 7:32:53 AM PST by smith288 (Peace at all cost makes for tyranny free of charge...)
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To: smith288

I have auto update as well and mine is so far so good.


9 posted on 12/15/2005 7:33:09 AM PST by meanie monster (http://guptonator.myvideochat.net)
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To: smith288

Mine is working fine, though I use FireFox almost all the time. Certain sites don't work with FF. But I tried IE on FR, and it is working just fine. You might want to check in Internet Options. Sounds like some have been changed......


10 posted on 12/15/2005 7:33:34 AM PST by b4its2late (The only substitute for good manners is faster reflexes.)
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To: smith288
Most likely the patch was MS05_054 (905915).

You might look in Add/Remove Programs, make sure the "show updates" box is checked. Then uninstall the update.

11 posted on 12/15/2005 7:36:55 AM PST by FReepaholic (Admitted FReepaholic since 1998.)
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To: smith288

Ok let me get this straight, if you do a Response.Redirect or submit a form, it will open the target in a new window?


12 posted on 12/15/2005 7:40:47 AM PST by Mcirrus (Future Reference)
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To: smith288

FR isn't the place I'd go for MSIE troubleshooting.

I'm sure there are lots of boards dedicated to it, such as:
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6.browser

> I got the automatic update last night ...

Reminds me of Dilbert on the 7th:
http://www.dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/dilbert-20051207.html
when he asks the PHB in the last panel:
"Does anything ever sound like a bad idea to you?"

The only thing surprising about the current discussion
is that it took this long for the first auto-update
auto-defect-install to get reported on FR.

I have all my stuff configured for user-initiated
update. I'd rather let someone else go first.

Many software publishers offer auto-update, not just MS,
but MS will take the heat for the foul-ups, because the
OS can affect all the apps, whereas an app update disaster
(such as ZoneAlarm apparently had recently) [usually]
just affects that app.


13 posted on 12/15/2005 7:42:57 AM PST by Boundless
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To: Mcirrus
Ok let me get this straight, if you do a Response.Redirect or submit a form, it will open the target in a new window?

No this is more of an user type issue. The IE application itself opens up a window...i want to use it (say to test something) and when I type in a URL or use the favorites, it opens a new window instead leaving the original window in the background.

Found out something new... If I Ctrl+n, the new window opens but hangs for a good 3-5 minutes. if I click on any links in this new window, it opens up a new window and behanve exactly like the original window that I explained above.

14 posted on 12/15/2005 7:43:46 AM PST by smith288 (Peace at all cost makes for tyranny free of charge...)
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To: smith288

Mine also did the update last night, and mine's not doing this. Somewhere there's a setting to open links in a new, or the same, window.


15 posted on 12/15/2005 7:44:18 AM PST by HairOfTheDog (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/ 1,000 knives and counting!)
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To: tscislaw

bump


16 posted on 12/15/2005 7:48:50 AM PST by Cautor
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To: smith288

If you need the IE engine, why not try Maxthon. It uses the IE engine but provides tabbed windows so all your windows are fixed until you close them.


17 posted on 12/15/2005 7:50:35 AM PST by wildbill
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To: smith288

Have you done something as simple as reboot?

Mine had restarted automatically this morning... maybe yours didn't, and needs a full restart.


18 posted on 12/15/2005 7:51:09 AM PST by HairOfTheDog (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/ 1,000 knives and counting!)
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To: smith288

Check the settings under Tools -> Internet Options. Open the Advanced tab. In my settings there is an option titled "Reuse windows for launching shortcuts", make sure that is checked. I'm not sure if this will correct your problem, but you never know, do a look down through the other options you might find one that corrects it.


19 posted on 12/15/2005 7:53:03 AM PST by Mcirrus (Future Reference)
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To: Boundless
FR isn't the place I'd go for MSIE troubleshooting.

It's actually a pretty good place to get advice, if you can weed through all the posts that just take potshots at MS or the poster ;~D

20 posted on 12/15/2005 7:53:40 AM PST by HairOfTheDog (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/ 1,000 knives and counting!)
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To: tscislaw
Most likely the patch was MS05_054 (905915).

You might look in Add/Remove Programs, make sure the "show updates" box is checked. Then uninstall the update.

I rolled this particular update back and it now is working appropriately. Something in this update is screwing with my IE but cannot be sure.

21 posted on 12/15/2005 8:06:02 AM PST by smith288 (Peace at all cost makes for tyranny free of charge...)
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To: Mcirrus
Check the settings under Tools -> Internet Options. Open the Advanced tab. In my settings there is an option titled "Reuse windows for launching shortcuts", make sure that is checked. I'm not sure if this will correct your problem, but you never know, do a look down through the other options you might find one that corrects it.

Tried that. Thanks though.

22 posted on 12/15/2005 8:06:37 AM PST by smith288 (Peace at all cost makes for tyranny free of charge...)
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To: HairOfTheDog
Have you done something as simple as reboot?

Yea, it restarted on its own because it closed down all my dev windows and had me at ctrl-alt-del. ugh

23 posted on 12/15/2005 8:07:39 AM PST by smith288 (Peace at all cost makes for tyranny free of charge...)
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To: smith288

Try restoring to browser defaults in your Tools>Internet Options>advanced.

If that doesn't work try re-installing IE. You can download it from Microsoft.


24 posted on 12/15/2005 8:08:29 AM PST by KoRn (Merry Christmas!!)
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To: HairOfTheDog
It's actually a pretty good place to get advice, if you can weed through all the posts that just take potshots at MS or the poster ;~D

You are right on the nose. FR has a HUGE amount of knowledge. The best and brightest peruse this place and there could be more if people werent so afraid to post (looking at my mom's direction).

25 posted on 12/15/2005 8:08:46 AM PST by smith288 (Peace at all cost makes for tyranny free of charge...)
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To: smith288

Three things MS needs to fix in their browser, leave the frick'n window maximized when I set it that way, save images as they are, stop crashing when I add a bookmark!

Is Firefox really that much better?


26 posted on 12/15/2005 8:11:35 AM PST by xander
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To: smith288
FR has a HUGE amount of knowledge. The best and brightest peruse this place

Unfortunately, I am not one of those on this subject... I'm a driver, not a mechanic... :~)

~waving to your mother~

27 posted on 12/15/2005 8:13:56 AM PST by HairOfTheDog (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/ 1,000 knives and counting!)
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To: smith288
I applied the patch last night in XP Home Edition with no noticeable effects.

I will tell you though that my XP has been opening new windows when I click on links for some time though not all the time.

To be honest, I don't mind it. It's kind of like having tabbed windows.

28 posted on 12/15/2005 8:13:58 AM PST by CaptRon (Pedecaris alive or Raisuli dead)
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To: smith288

This was interesting

Internet Explorer 6 may stop responding when you use it to load a child window

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/905297/


29 posted on 12/15/2005 8:14:26 AM PST by VeniVidiVici (What? Me worry?)
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To: xander
Three things MS needs to fix in their browser, leave the frick'n window maximized when I set it that way, save images as they are, stop crashing when I add a bookmark!

Is Firefox really that much better?

I dont experience those problems you have. I know if you open an IE window, maximize it and then close it. It should open maximized next time. Not sure what you mean by saving images as they are. Mine never crashes when adding a bookmark either. Could be just a combination of addons and stuff but who knows.

Firefox is good. It has its problems. One of the biggest is the continual upgrading of extensions whenever FF updates. Kinda stupid but what do i know? Im just a web developer...

30 posted on 12/15/2005 8:19:02 AM PST by smith288 (Peace at all cost makes for tyranny free of charge...)
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To: TomGuy
First, don't allow auto-updates...

You're sure not alone.  At first I thought the updates were terrific -then I started having problems so I turned off my updates like you have.  IMHO the only real solution is once everything works fine, to keep backing up important stuff and skip the updates altogether.

31 posted on 12/15/2005 8:20:53 AM PST by expat_panama
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To: CaptRon
I will tell you though that my XP has been opening new windows when I click on links for some time though not all the time.

Those instances sound like a new tactic web developers use to generate advertising. When they build the page, they put the popup ads in the link tag. This beats the popup blocker (as long as its not set to high which forces the user to press control usually to see any new winodws).

Medium setting on popup blockers usually states it will allow "user initiated popups" but not web page initiated. Which is when you come into a page and popups just open by themselves without you doing anything. Hence the ability for the popup ads to work on this setting since you are physically clicking the link.

32 posted on 12/15/2005 8:21:58 AM PST by smith288 (Peace at all cost makes for tyranny free of charge...)
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To: smith288

No ads. The acutal page I'm liking to. I have so many applications blocking popups the are NEVER a problem.


33 posted on 12/15/2005 8:23:06 AM PST by CaptRon (Pedecaris alive or Raisuli dead)
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To: xander

Firefox is nice, I think it's superior to IE when it comes to simply surfing the next. I would recommend it to anyone who goes only just to surf and blog. If you're at work, I would recommend using IE. Some companies' internal web applications use ActiveX Controls which (correct me if I'm wrong here) require that you have IE. If your company is a MS shop like mine is, some of your internal intranet applications may not look right or function in Firefox.

Get it for home use though, you'll like it and it's worth the 5 minutes it takes to set up.


34 posted on 12/15/2005 8:23:43 AM PST by Mcirrus (Future Reference)
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To: VeniVidiVici
This was interesting

Internet Explorer 6 may stop responding when you use it to load a child window

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/905297/


Sounds like my problem.
35 posted on 12/15/2005 8:31:48 AM PST by smith288 (Peace at all cost makes for tyranny free of charge...)
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To: smith288

Sorry, I should have mentioned that this was linked off the page for the alert you first mentioned, so I guess it is a known issue to happen under certain circumstances.

My bet is if you have VS loaded ;)

Just a guess though.


36 posted on 12/15/2005 8:35:30 AM PST by VeniVidiVici (What? Me worry?)
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To: VeniVidiVici

Oops. Guess I should have read further. It says dxtrans.dll.


37 posted on 12/15/2005 8:41:55 AM PST by VeniVidiVici (What? Me worry?)
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To: expat_panama

Old saying: If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

New 'old' saying: If it ain't broke, don't let the software upgrade fix it.


lol


38 posted on 12/15/2005 8:52:37 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: smith288
I always use FireFox but I used IE for just a few minutes last night when I noticed an icon on my task-bar that I didn't put there.

After inadvertently clicking it in an attempt to remove it, I found a prog that claimed to be an anti-virus program fiercely
installing itself on my computer. I tried to shut it down but it immediately initiated new instances of itself and kept running. In the space of several minutes, (the time it took me to realize I had to yank the power, my C: drive was toast.
I was lucky to be able to get enough control to be able to run a backup restore.
There's some nasty stuff out there, need to be careful.
39 posted on 12/15/2005 9:44:22 AM PST by freedom9 (Be good for goodness sake.)
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To: xander

They each have their strengths and weaknesses.

Firefox isn't worth squat when it comes to saving web pages. It can't even save as a text file correctly. There's been an ongoing problem with people losing bookmarks, or the cache dumping after a crash, yet they're more worried about redesigning the Options box. Every time someone at Mozilla breaks wind, you have to hunt for the latest extensions or themes. Their "help" forum is populated by adolescent fanbois, who will remind you that problems are your fault, or the fault of the OS, etc. I'll never recommend the forum to decent people.

Adblocking and Flashblocking extensions are the main reason I keep using FF.


40 posted on 12/15/2005 1:14:31 PM PST by JoJo Gunn (Help control the Leftist population. Have them spayed or neutered. ©)
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To: smith288
This article on the IEBlog addresses this issue, caused by running an IE 7 BETA release in parallel with IE 6 SP1.
41 posted on 12/18/2005 8:37:10 AM PST by dwollmann
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To: dwollmann
This article on the IEBlog addresses this issue, caused by running an IE 7 BETA release in parallel with IE 6 SP1.

You da man... and I do have IE7 running along side IE6 for compatibility issues in my programming. If MS didnt integrate IE into the friggin OS so much us developers wouldnt have these stupid issues that should be rather standard.

42 posted on 12/18/2005 5:49:58 PM PST by smith288 (Peace at all cost makes for tyranny free of charge...)
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