Posted on 12/15/2005 10:05:55 AM PST by jamese777
Where are the real Americans?
this is tied to the entire defense bill. and have you seen how few republican senators oppose it? the veto is not going to work.
McCain wins. America loses.
Has anyone seen the final agreement, other than what the MSM is reporting?
If so please post the link, or are we satisfied with rumors and the word of the Liberal media?
we have to face some issues here:
- the white house has been on defense on this whole "torture" issue since day one - and in politics, when you are on defense, you are losing. they allowed the media to define "torture" as anything but Ritz Carlton level accomodations for terrorists. McCain wants only one thing - to be president - he doesn't care about anything else. he sees the political wind on this, that the sheeple whose votes he needs have been duped into believing every US military and CIA agent is routinely torturing people, so he makes his move. there is no one to the right of him on this, George Allen voted for this bill also, so he doesn't even fear this as an issue in the primaries.
McCain has nothing to lose here, that's his political calculation.
Yeah but I want a real President. 3 more years of Mr. Softie and I will go insane. We have the Presidency now and both houses. Whats that done for me? Donut hole.
Hah hah ha....
I resort to personal attacks....
Stop Crying.
the article has many specifics, get this one:
"The most specific interrogation guidelines - for example, how long detainees can be forced to sit or stand in certain positions - are included in a classified section of the document, which is being reviewed by Pentagon officials."
can you believe this? the enemy can fly planes into buildings, but we can't force them to sit or stand for too long. I imagine there are other issues about the temperature of their holding cells, how often they get showers - all spelled out by law, and soon the ACLU and the courts.
We need to close Gitmo now as soon as possible. Close it up, its over, we longer need to hold those people there. For what?
The new policy should be - kill these people when you find them. Or if you need information, capture them and interrogate them vigourosly for a period of 1-2 days, then kill them to cover the trail before some federal judge issues a habeas order for them. this is how the CIA is going to have to operate now - Jack Bauer style.
McCain is way too creepy to win. And he has baggage, such as how he treated his first wife. And is present one isn't exactly perfect First Lady material.
These demonRAT and RINO DOLTS (and weak republicans who cave in to them - are you listening George?) are DANGEROUS to our national security, and put our military personnel in danger as well.
They MAY have ONCE been "heroes". Now, they have sold it down the river for political expediency, selfishness, vanity, etc.
F**K the dangerous, un-American bastards.
And with no bag limit.
was = what
There is no such thing as Bush jr. In order to be a Jr, you have to have the exact name as the Sr. George Herbert Walker Bush (Bush 41) is not the same name as George Walker Bush(Bush 43), but then you knew that already. For people that loathe and despise George W Bush they call him Jr as a derogatory slam, and everyone sees right through it. We see the "rats" do it all the time, I rest my case.
Bush should not have caved on this...bad mistake.
what can I say. many of us have been saying for a long time - the daily political war room battle is essentially the presidency. because if you lose that, you lose the political captital you need to get anything done - especially in a closely divided government and electorate. Reagan knew that, he knew that his #1 mission every day was to frame and communicate a message to the people.
the congress produces mostly cowards, it produces few leaders like Curt Weldon. these cowards only concern themselves with politics, look at the vote totals shown in this article. you want their votes, you've got to win the political war - fought every day, in every news cycle.
the white house has been doing a better job lately (finally), but not enough on this one apparently to get the votes it needs.
I can only assume you are kidding...I will never vote for McCain...no better than Hillary.
Can anyone provide a link to this final agreement?
He is NOT a "pub", but a mongrel RINO that needs to go to Antarctica and take a LONG, ONE-WAY walk on the ice pack.
we will have to see if the points made in the article are fabricated, or not representative of the final wording. I doubt its made up, there hasn't been any groundswell to thwart McCain on this in either House, why should he compromise?
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