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What Do We Do With "Tookie Monsters" ?
The Morning Paper -Special Edition | 12/15/05 | vanity

Posted on 12/15/2005 5:11:45 PM PST by genefromjersey

What Should Society Do With Its “Tookie Monsters” ?

The “ Tookie Williams Saga “ has finally ended.

After decades of appeals and delays , and more appeals and more delays; after vast agitation by a wide variety of people : ranging from sincere opponents of the death penalty, to shameless self-advocates looking for more media “face time”, Tookie Williams – the convicted murderer of four people finally got the justice a jury of his peers had decreed.

There are many who say the death penalty is “barbaric” ; or that it serves no useful purpose.

I tend to agree – when the penalty is exacted 20 years after the crime.

Justice delayed is – all things considered – justice denied ; and thus, serves no useful purpose.

I find myself nodding in agreement with the proposal by an Ocean County ,NJ official ; who says-with considerable accuracy- New Jersey should abandon the death penalty ,because decades of experience have shown the NJ Supreme Court simply will not permit a death sentence to be carried out : no matter how hideous the crime.

The official points out the insanity of a financially-stressed state paying out millions and millions of dollars in death sentence appeal costs , when it is obvious what the outcome will be.

I think most people would agree with this pragmatic assessment – though I am sure there are some cynics who would say we need a death penalty - in case a NJ Supreme Court Justice is ever murdered.

(Anyone care to bet on the outcome of THAT appeal ?)

So, without a death penalty , what DO we do with our “Tookie Monsters”?

I use the term “monsters” advisedly. By the time a homicide case has passed through the court system , the “lesser” homicides have been dealt with. Commonly, these lesser cases do not involve the monsters who plan and premeditate murder,and who are as willing to kill to secure their goals as we are to sip a beverage or scratch or yawn.

I’ve met a lot of them ,and can say ,when you see one of them do or say something which seems to have redeeming qualities –like Tookie Williams and his “famous” (303 copies sold) anti-gang books – it is done for one reason only: to secure a temporary advantage for the criminal.

Every SERIOUS criminal I’ve ever met is lacking in what we might call “moral vitamins” , or “conscience” , or genuine empathy towards for his fellow humans. “Right” is what helps him; “Wrong” is what hinders or delays his satisfaction. If we were to express it in wilderness terms, career criminals are predators,and we are their chosen prey.

Unfortunately, there is a small-but-influential segment of our society that has never been able to grasp this simple truth – even when it springs up like a stepped-on rake to hit them in the teeth.

Their first thought (Lord help us !) seems to be : “ What did WE do wrong ? Was there some sort of program which could have prevented this ? How much will it cost ?”

This small segment of our society also thinks the obvious answer as to what to do about “Tookie Monsters” is just …wrong-headed.

“We can’t lock people up without hope of release !”, they shout. “ It’s –it’s – just WRONG !”

Did I mention the fact this small segment of influential people gets to sit on parole boards,or judicial and legislative committeees that govern our parole policies ? That they are people nobody elected ? That some see it as their function to achieve ethnic or racial quotas in granting parole ? That some believe it is their plain duty to frustrate the will of the electorate ?

If we’re not going to execute monsters who would kill us in a heartbeat, let’s at least make sure they are locked up - as securely as human ingenuity will permit – for the rest of their natural lives: no parole, no release on “intensive supervision”, no “max –outs”.

Tookie Monsters need to be in the jar-with the lid on securely !


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: crime; enablers; lynch; predators; prey; punishment; urbanbarbarians

1 posted on 12/15/2005 5:11:48 PM PST by genefromjersey
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To: genefromjersey
Well, I feel better the bassturd is finding his Hell.

That's what counts to me.

2 posted on 12/15/2005 5:15:24 PM PST by digger48
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To: genefromjersey
We could first star people like him in prison rape movies as the victim and then kill them. That could work IMO.

Or we could help get the deaths sooner by housing convicted murders near people and groups that could kill them in population. That could work as well.

Of course, if as children they all read Tookie's 357 books that sold, they could join the millions that Tookie backers have said avoided the life of crime and never have gotten in this mess to begin with.
3 posted on 12/15/2005 5:17:27 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: genefromjersey

How's Life with no parole AND a pre-frontal lobotomy


4 posted on 12/15/2005 5:19:05 PM PST by Postman
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To: genefromjersey

Dunp them in Antarctica. "Vole on Ice".


5 posted on 12/15/2005 5:19:14 PM PST by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: genefromjersey

I agree. The clamor for the death penalty is the result of liberals letting them out. Gerald Turner here in Wisconsin is my favorite example of that. He raped and murdered Lisa French in the '70s, and the liberals were set to let him out in the '90s. We passed a law, and he's back behind bars, abut the liberals predictably, are up in arms about the law we passed. Screw 'em!


6 posted on 12/15/2005 5:19:22 PM PST by StACase
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To: StACase

but


7 posted on 12/15/2005 5:20:11 PM PST by StACase
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To: genefromjersey
Justice delayed is – all things considered – justice denied ; and thus, serves no useful purpose.

OK, so it took 25 years to snuff Tookie.

Look on the bright side: Tookie got a twofer. A DEATH SENTENCE AND a LIFE SENTENCE.

Doesn't get much better than that, unless you want to dig him up and do it all over again.

8 posted on 12/15/2005 5:23:08 PM PST by hang 'em (Is Devil Worship "one of the World's Great Religions"?)
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To: genefromjersey
If we’re not going to execute monsters who would kill us in a heartbeat, let’s at least make sure they are locked up - as securely as human ingenuity will permit – for the rest of their natural lives: no parole, no release on “intensive supervision”, no “max –outs”.

The next guy scheduled for execution in CA was serving LWOP for murder. He arranged two more murders from his jail cell. After two more innocent people died because this animal hadn't been executed for his first murder, he finally got the death penalty. Now we are hearing sob stories about how he is 75 and in poor health. If they had executed him promptly for the first murder he did, he wouldn't BE 75.

9 posted on 12/15/2005 5:25:12 PM PST by LexBaird ("I'm not questioning your patriotism, I'm answering your treason."--JennysCool)
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To: genefromjersey

So long as there are parole boards and no effective capital P then it is probably better that we have these long drawn out appeals. The appeals seem to effectively keep the monster locked up while they continue. It is expensive but it prevents further murders outside of prison by the monster.


10 posted on 12/15/2005 5:44:54 PM PST by arthurus
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To: genefromjersey

I is for injection, that's good enough for me...


11 posted on 12/15/2005 5:45:44 PM PST by RichInOC (...somebody was going to sing it...why not me?)
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To: genefromjersey

Dip them in milk and bite their heads off?


12 posted on 12/15/2005 5:57:23 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: sheik yerbouty
Dunp them in Antarctica. "Vole on Ice".

I've long advocated dumping child rapists, murderers and other repeat violent felons on one of the barren rocks in the Aleutians with a knife and a blanket. They will either kill one another off, or learn to help one another survive. Nature ("mother" nature and their own nature) will give them what they deserve.

I'd be perfectly willing to drop the death penalty if their punishment was that sort of banishment.

13 posted on 12/15/2005 5:57:50 PM PST by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?")
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To: genefromjersey
I find myself nodding in agreement with the proposal by an Ocean County ,NJ official ; who says-with considerable accuracy- New Jersey should abandon the death penalty ,because decades of experience have shown the NJ Supreme Court simply will not permit a death sentence to be carried out : no matter how hideous the crime.

We had a state supreme court like that once, and we threw off the worst offenders (the chief justice and two of the associates). Reconfirmation by popular vote, it's a wonderful thing.

14 posted on 12/15/2005 6:02:40 PM PST by RichInOC (VOTERS: HOW ARE YOU ROSE CRUZ AND JOE!! ALL YOUR SEAT ARE BELONG TO US.)
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To: RichInOC

NJ judges are "non-political" (appointed on nasis of of party loyalty).


15 posted on 12/15/2005 6:17:08 PM PST by genefromjersey (So much to flame;so little time !)
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To: genefromjersey

Tookie didn't call me today.


16 posted on 12/15/2005 6:18:27 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: hang 'em

Doesn't get much better than that, unless you want to dig him up and do it all over again.


Can we DO that?
Sounds like a plan.

Keep his brain in a jar and every so often cut the power.


17 posted on 12/15/2005 6:21:26 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: digger48

How DID we get from "hang 'em at sunrise" to this?


18 posted on 12/15/2005 6:34:09 PM PST by RichRepublican (Some days you're the windshield--some days you're the bug.)
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To: genefromjersey

Hand of Doom
What you gonna do
Time's caught up with you
Now you wait your turn
You know there's no return

Change your empty rules
You join the other fools
Turn to something new
Now it's killing you

First it was the bomb, Vietnam napalm
Disillusioning, you push the needle in
From life you escape, reality's black drape
Colours in your mind satisfy your time

Oh you, you know you must be blind
To do something like this
To take the sweet that you don't know
You're giving Death a kiss
Poor little fool now

Your mind is full of pleasure
Your body's looking ill
To you it's shallow leisure
So drop the acid pill
Don't stop to think now

You're having a good time baby
But that won't last
Your mind's all full of things
You're living too fast
Go out, enjoy yourself
Don't bottle it in
You need someone to help you
Stick the needle in, yeah

Now you know the scene
Your skin starts turning green
Your eyes no longer seeing life's reality
Push the needle in
Face death's sickly grin
Holes are in your skin
Caused by deadly pin

Head starts spinning 'round
You fall down to the ground
Feel your body heave
Death hand starts to weave

It's too late to turn
You don't want to learn
Price of life is high
Now you're gonna die


19 posted on 12/15/2005 6:34:30 PM PST by hercuroc
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To: RichInOC

Actually, I like the guillotine. The French had something there for once. Swift, painless but scary and hugely entertaining.


20 posted on 12/15/2005 6:37:37 PM PST by RichRepublican (Some days you're the windshield--some days you're the bug.)
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To: JimRed

I have only met one liberal who actually agreed to something similar. The rest all took the line "He's depraved on account of he's deprived."


21 posted on 12/15/2005 10:42:31 PM PST by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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