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Schwarzenegger Proves He's Just A "Girlie-Man"
Bill Press ^ | 12/16/05 | Bill Press

Posted on 12/16/2005 7:31:03 AM PST by NotchJohnson

Schwarzenegger Proves He's Just A "Girlie-Man" December 15, 2005

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Nobody really expected Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger to commute the sentence of Stanley “Tookie” Williams. Yes, he went through the motions of meeting with Tookie’s supporters. But that was pure political theater, designed to give the appearance of fairness — when, in fact, he’d already decided to appease California’s blood-thirsty pack of wolves.

Arnold’s political advisors told him he had to look tough by upholding the death penalty. But they were dead wrong. Refusing to commute Tookie’s sentence from execution to life in prison without parole didn’t make Arnold look tough. It made him look like a great big “girlie-man.”

Arnold made a cowardly decision. In capital punishment cases, it’s easy to follow the lynch mob. What takes courage is doing the right thing, even if politically unpopular. Instead of dancing to the drumbeat of death-penalty supporters, Arnold should have followed the lead of another Republican, former Illinois Gov. George Ryan, who commuted the sentences of everybody on death row — because he knew the death penalty itself was fatally flawed.

Therein lies the irony of Schwarzenegger’s decision: By trying to uphold the death penalty in the Tookie Williams case, he did just the opposite. He actually undermined the case for capital punishment by proving how unfair, unjust and unevenly applied it is across the country.

After all, why did Tookie Williams get so much political and media attention? Not because he was founder of the Crips or author of several children’s books advocating nonviolence. It was for one reason only: because his cause was embraced by celebrity defenders Jamie Foxx, Snoop Dogg, Joan Baez, Mike Farrell and Rev. Jesse Jackson. Without them, we never would have heard of Tookie Williams. He’d have been put to death with no fuss, no muss.

What about all the other men and women on death row across America? Surely they deserve the same last-minute chance of reprieve. But they’ll never get it, because they don’t have any movie-star friends. And that’s the big problem with the death penalty. Not only is it unconstitutional (“cruel and unusual punishment”) and immoral (“Thou shalt not kill”), but it is never meted out in equal measure in all 50 states. There are too many variables.

Application of the death penalty is, in fact, so fickle from state to state that the nature of the crime committed ends up being less important than other factors: the state or county in which you committed the crime; the competence of the prosecutor or public defender; the whims of the judge and jury; the color of your victim’s skin; and, most important, how much money you have to hire a good lawyer.

After reviewing many death-penalty appeals, Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg discovered one common denominator: lack of funds for proper representation. As she reports, “I have yet to see a death case . . . in which the defendant was well-represented at trial. People who are well-represented at trial do not get the death penalty.”

She’s right. And tragic examples are legion. In Texas, Calvin Burdine was sentenced to death after his court-appointed lawyer fell asleep in the courtroom. In Alabama, Judy Haney was sent to death row even though her attorney was so drunk in the courtroom he was held in contempt and sent to jail himself.

Same with race. Minorities are much more likely to be sentenced to death than whites. Since the death penalty was reinstated in 1976, 43 percent of all executions were minorities. Today, 55 percent of all those on death row are people of color. Both numbers are way out of proportion to the population of blacks, Native Americans, Latinos and Asian-Americans.

And, of course, DNA testing has shown that even many people in prison are not guilty. This week alone, Gov. Mark Warner of Virginia pardoned two criminals exonerated by DNA of crimes they did not commit. One had already spent 20 years in prison. Where’s the justice?

Even inadvertently, Arnold Schwarzenegger has rekindled a re-examination of the death penalty, which, I am convinced, will lead eventually to its abolishment. Meanwhile, one thing is for sure: As long as we continue to torture prisoners in other countries and execute prisoners here at home, we Americans cannot claim the moral high ground.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; US: California; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: arnold; billpress; deathpenalty; tookie
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"As long as we continue to torture prisoners in other countries and execute prisoners here at home, we Americans cannot claim the moral high ground."

Press hurts himself trying to come up with conclusions like that.

1 posted on 12/16/2005 7:31:04 AM PST by NotchJohnson
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To: NotchJohnson
Bill Press is a mewling, squealing nancyboy.

But the worst thing about him is that he thinks he's intelligent.

2 posted on 12/16/2005 7:32:29 AM PST by wideawake
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To: NotchJohnson

As long as we continue to hunt down and kill murderers abroad, and execute cold blooded murderers here at home, we ARE on the moral high ground.


3 posted on 12/16/2005 7:32:58 AM PST by Paloma_55 (Which part of "Common Sense" do you not understand???)
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To: NotchJohnson
Refusing to commute Tookie’s sentence from execution to life in prison without parole didn’t make Arnold look tough. It made him look like a great big “girlie-man.”

That's just the opposite of what FReepers were saying. Of course, this is Bill, so that's expected.

5 posted on 12/16/2005 7:33:45 AM PST by TheDon (The Democratic Party is the party of TREASON!)
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To: NotchJohnson

The governor did the right thing. And - - - he didn't cave into the pink-skirted Libs.


6 posted on 12/16/2005 7:34:08 AM PST by RoadTest (Religion never saved a soul - that's Jesus' job.)
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To: NotchJohnson
I find it hard not to make ad hominem attacks on Bill Press. Let me just say that he symbolizes the ultimate in professional and journalistic irrelevance.
7 posted on 12/16/2005 7:34:33 AM PST by Richard Axtell (We are approaching the Abyss, let's not let them steer us over the edge...)
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To: NotchJohnson

Tookies dead get over it


8 posted on 12/16/2005 7:35:24 AM PST by al baby (Father of the beeber)
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To: NotchJohnson
"....author of several children’s books advocating nonviolence" A barefaced lie by scumbag Bill Press.....Tookie was used to market the books AFTER they were written by the original author (who later became Tookie's c-author).
9 posted on 12/16/2005 7:36:51 AM PST by indcons
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To: NotchJohnson

When Bill Press, Mike Farrell, Joan Baez, et al finally open a halfway house, personally staffed by themselves 24/7, for these poor, misunderstood murders & rapists then I will waste a few minutes to listen to what they have to say.


10 posted on 12/16/2005 7:39:07 AM PST by BwanaNdege ("For those who have fought for it, Freedom bears a savor the protected will never know")
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To: NotchJohnson

Nice try Press-boy...but no Seegar.


11 posted on 12/16/2005 7:39:59 AM PST by Vaquero ("An armed society is a polite society" R. A. Heinlein)
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To: NotchJohnson

hey bill, why not go out and see Arnie and call him a "girlie man" up close and personal. Ya know...like in his face.


13 posted on 12/16/2005 7:40:40 AM PST by cubreporter (I trust Rush. He has done more for this country than anyone will ever know. He's A++)
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To: NotchJohnson

"As long as we continue to torture prisoners in other countries and execute prisoners here at home, we Americans cannot claim the moral high ground."

bah.. at least we no longer use the guillotine, hanging, or firing squad for executions. and i haven't heard of any prisoners being put on a rack or an iron maiden or have a cat-o-nine used on them.


14 posted on 12/16/2005 7:41:47 AM PST by absolootezer0 ("My God, why have you forsaken us.. no wait, its the liberals that have forsaken you... my bad")
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To: NotchJohnson
Not only is it unconstitutional (“cruel and unusual punishment”)

Press is an idiot. This applies to the person generally, in the article specifically, and the quoted statement precisely.

The US Constitution clearly, via Amendment #5 ("nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law") contemplates that the death penalty is specifically one of the options available for punishing crimes.

15 posted on 12/16/2005 7:42:41 AM PST by kevkrom ("Zero-sum games are transactions mostly initiated by thieves and governments." - Walter Williams)
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To: NotchJohnson

For Bill Press to accuse someone of being a "girlly-man" is like Bryant Gumble/Frank Rich accusing someone of being arrogant.


16 posted on 12/16/2005 7:43:36 AM PST by buckeyesrule (Go Bucks! Beat the Irish....again!!!!)
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To: NotchJohnson

Bill Press? Is he still meaningfully employed? Outside the fast-food industry I mean....


17 posted on 12/16/2005 7:44:14 AM PST by Rummyfan
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To: NotchJohnson
****he’d already decided to appease California’s blood-thirsty pack of wolves.****

LOL! It seems like the blood thirsty wolf is the guy that actually killed 4 people and let many many many people down that path.

18 posted on 12/16/2005 7:45:18 AM PST by buckeyesrule (Go Bucks! Beat the Irish....again!!!!)
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To: NotchJohnson

Oh, man, that's a hoot! Bill Press calling anybody else a girlie-man!


19 posted on 12/16/2005 7:45:58 AM PST by Obadiah
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To: Fixxxer

What!! 330 copies??? WOW /sarc


20 posted on 12/16/2005 7:46:50 AM PST by indcons
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To: NotchJohnson
Bill Press calling the Governator a "Girlie man"? Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.
21 posted on 12/16/2005 7:47:05 AM PST by Chewie84
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To: NotchJohnson

And his reaction if a Democrat had refused?

Williams was executed by the laws of California.


22 posted on 12/16/2005 7:47:51 AM PST by popdonnelly
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To: NotchJohnson
Nobody really expected Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger to commute the sentence of Stanley “Tookie” Williams.

Bull. There were dozens of posters on FR who claimed that they were "sure" that he'd do just that. And we'll be reminding the Arnold-haters of that when re-election comes around.

And, of course, Press is a demagogic buttwipe who was off his meds when he wrote this.

23 posted on 12/16/2005 7:48:34 AM PST by AmishDude (Your corporate slogan could be here! FReepmail me for my confiscatory rates.)
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To: NotchJohnson

I thought Bill Press was dead.


24 posted on 12/16/2005 7:48:47 AM PST by FerdieMurphy (For English press one. (Farewell Tookie. Is hell really hot?))
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To: indcons
I thought so! I thought Tookie didn't write those books, it was all a stunt by his lawyer.

And I thought those books backhandedly glorified the gang lifestyle, from what I have read.

25 posted on 12/16/2005 7:49:39 AM PST by AmishDude (Your corporate slogan could be here! FReepmail me for my confiscatory rates.)
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To: NotchJohnson

Next time you post something by Bill Press, how about a barf alert?


26 posted on 12/16/2005 7:50:39 AM PST by OKSooner
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To: FerdieMurphy

No, just his career!


27 posted on 12/16/2005 7:52:13 AM PST by Rummyfan
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To: AmishDude
I saw the pictures of Tookie's handy work and in my opinion he got off too lightly. Too bad he didn't burn in the chair for it.
28 posted on 12/16/2005 7:52:23 AM PST by headstamp (Nothing lasts forever, Unless it does.)
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To: NotchJohnson

Yep Bill. The good ol USA has no moral highground versus the Islamoscum. Just like we did not have it over the Commies, the Viet Kong, Red China, Saddam, Pol Pot, Imperial Japan, Hitler's germany, France, the myriad African despots, or Kim Jong Il.

We are all the same Billy.

What a F******G idiot.


29 posted on 12/16/2005 7:53:07 AM PST by pissant
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To: NotchJohnson
Furious politicians from Arnold Schwarzenegger's home city have turned on him over his refusal to stop the execution of a reformed gangster.

Councillors in the Austrian city of Graz yesterday voted to remove the California governor's name from the local football stadium.

The move comes after the Terminator star denied clemency to convicted murderer Stanley 'Tookie'Williams, 51, the co-founder of Los Angeles' notorious Crips gang.

From this morning's This is London

30 posted on 12/16/2005 7:53:41 AM PST by Amerigomag
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To: wideawake

I couldn't have said it better! I have NEVER agreed with this guy on anything, and his positions are contrary to anything logical.


31 posted on 12/16/2005 7:53:54 AM PST by Joann37
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To: NotchJohnson

"In capital punishment cases, it’s easy to follow the lynch mob." "As long as we continue to torture prisoners in other countries and execute prisoners here at home, we Americans cannot claim the moral high ground."


Press hurts himself trying to come up with conclusions like that.

*Conclusion based on pathological discognition:
*State execution of murderers is supported by blood thirsty "lynch mobs." The death penalty is "racist."



32 posted on 12/16/2005 7:55:21 AM PST by purpleland (Vigilance and Valor! Socialism is the Opiate of Academia)
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To: Amerigomag

I'm sure Ah-nuld will be tossing and turning over that!


33 posted on 12/16/2005 7:55:50 AM PST by Rummyfan
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To: NotchJohnson
Instead of dancing to the drumbeat of death-penalty supporters, Arnold should have followed the lead of another Republican, former Illinois Gov. George Ryan, who commuted the sentences of everybody on death row — because he knew the death penalty itself was fatally flawed.

Press is full of it.

34 posted on 12/16/2005 7:58:35 AM PST by sauropod ("The love that dare not speak its' name has now become the love that won't shut the hell up.")
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To: NotchJohnson

I emailed Press telling him he was nuts and that the "brother needed to die".


35 posted on 12/16/2005 7:58:57 AM PST by SeeRushToldU_So (I didn't go.)
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To: purpleland

"discognition" I hate it when someone makes me open a dictionary for a word that does not exist.


36 posted on 12/16/2005 7:59:11 AM PST by When do we get liberated? ((God save us from the whining, useless, irrelevent left...))
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To: NotchJohnson
And, of course, DNA testing has shown that even many people in prison are not guilty. This week alone, Gov. Mark Warner of Virginia pardoned two criminals exonerated by DNA of crimes they did not commit. One had already spent 20 years in prison. Where’s the justice?

Yo, Bill, we get your point now. Set 'em all free! Open up the jails and forget about "justice," there is no justice in "Amerika," right?

This was one of the more poorly reasoned articles I've seen on this forum in the last five years.

37 posted on 12/16/2005 7:59:17 AM PST by KellyAdmirer
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To: Joann37
I have NEVER agreed with this guy on anything

Nor have I, but I also disagree with everything that Jon Stewart has to say - yet I don't find Stewart nearly as despicable as Press even though Stewart is such a wiseass.

It's because Press has a really smarmy, condescending, nasty, "I'm smarter than you and you're lucky I'm even taking the time to explain things to you" affect that I would probably want to punch him in the face if I ever conversed with him personally.

38 posted on 12/16/2005 7:59:32 AM PST by wideawake
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To: NotchJohnson
In truth, liberals oppose the death penalty because they adore murderers not because people on Death Row might be innocent. Proof of this is liberals oppose executing someone who is clearly of murder - like Stanley Williams. And Bill Press's article simply backs up my point. But they can't go out there and say murderers should be given a break they don't deserve. You do that Bill and then get back to me on espousing a politically unpopular position. Just have the guts to tell the American people you believe serial killers have a right to breathe the same oxygen the rest of us do. Then you're holding the moral high ground.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie.Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

39 posted on 12/16/2005 7:59:47 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: absolootezer0

"As long as we continue to torture prisoners in other countries and execute prisoners here at home, we Americans cannot claim the moral high ground."

bah.. at least we no longer use the guillotine, hanging, or firing squad for executions. and i haven't heard of any prisoners being put on a rack or an iron maiden or have a cat-o-nine used on them.

The tortures and execution devices you describe should be reserved for delivering justice to irresponsible cockeyed leftist pseudo-journalists. The evil pen having writ...


40 posted on 12/16/2005 8:00:00 AM PST by purpleland (Vigilance and Valor! Socialism is the Opiate of Academia)
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To: wideawake

Democrats are tying to redefine the word "girly-man" to mean any non-liberal male. Typical. It won't work.


41 posted on 12/16/2005 8:00:26 AM PST by Galveston Grl (Getting angry and abandoning power to the Democrats is not a choice.)
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To: purpleland

I've been hearing that whining about the disproportionate number of minorities on death row for *decades* now. Does it ever occur to these soft on crime lefties that these savages would not be sentenced to death if they did not commit heinous murders?!


42 posted on 12/16/2005 8:01:02 AM PST by TNCMAXQ
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To: NotchJohnson

LOL. Bill Press is the patron saint of all girlymen everywhere.


43 posted on 12/16/2005 8:02:01 AM PST by Nachum
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To: NotchJohnson
Refusing to commute Tookie’s sentence from execution to life in prison without parole didn’t make Arnold look tough.

Yes it did, especially where it counts: with his conservative constituency. Who cares about Bill Press and the boo-hoo chorus?

44 posted on 12/16/2005 8:02:12 AM PST by IronJack
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To: Fixxxer
Liberals have no problem with Al Qaeda torturing people and hacking off heads. They complain when we attempt to do something to stop the terrorists.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie.Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

45 posted on 12/16/2005 8:02:14 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: TheDon
Allowing a murderer to live is showing compassion. Showing compassion to his victims is being mean spirited and insensitive. Liberal Orwellian Doublespeak 101 at its finest.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie.Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

46 posted on 12/16/2005 8:04:18 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: TNCMAXQ

I have heard that, when it comes to actual executions, more whites have been executed. Does anybody know the statistics?


47 posted on 12/16/2005 8:04:56 AM PST by originalbuckeye
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To: kevkrom
Yep - both the 5th and 14th Amendments take the existence of the death penalty for granted. But its too much to expect a mental midget like Press to know constitutional history.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie.Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

49 posted on 12/16/2005 8:06:14 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Rummyfan
I'm sure Ah-nuld will be tossing and turning over that!

Actually he might because more can be done if Austrian officials take the same stance:

Schwarzenegger surrendered his Austrian citizenship to become a US citizen. As soon as the US judicial turned a blind eye toward dual citizenship in the mid 1980s, through a tortured interpretation on the word "intent", Schwarzenegger raced to get his Austrian citizenship reinstated. Schwarzenegger pulled every string his celebrity could muster and was granted Austrian citizenship again, in spite of the fact he is ineligible for that status under Austrian federal law which is a duplicate of our laws prior to 1984. Austrain law does not permit dual citizenship.

Should the Austrian's really get torqued, Schwarzenegger could lose his citizenship.

50 posted on 12/16/2005 8:08:59 AM PST by Amerigomag
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