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ACLU Shocked at Bush Use of National Security Agency for Domestic Spying...
ACLU ^ | 12/15/2005

Posted on 12/16/2005 6:31:55 PM PST by Jay777

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To: oldfart
Look, if you have the New York Times telling you that "W" is breaking the law, you know that it's not true.

Aren't you the slightest bit suspicious of an organization like that one which has such a big mouth but was not targeted by AlQaida for anything?

51 posted on 12/16/2005 7:41:19 PM PST by muawiyah (u)
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To: demlosers

The ACLU is ANTI-CHRISTIAN......period.....so they can't last forever!


52 posted on 12/16/2005 7:41:26 PM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion: The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience. T)
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To: oceanview

No, I didn't read that article. I read another one somewhere else and I can't remember right now where it was. The net is so full of information that I simply cannot keep track of everything.


53 posted on 12/16/2005 7:43:23 PM PST by oldfart ("All governments and all civilizations fall... eventually. Our government is not immune.)
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To: Ann Archy
Unfortunately, they have been around since 1921.
They won't go away anytime soon.
54 posted on 12/16/2005 7:44:24 PM PST by concretebob (We should give anarchists what they want. Then we can kill them and not worry about jailtime.)
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To: moonshine mike

I don't think that is very practical...


55 posted on 12/16/2005 7:44:31 PM PST by carton253 (Al-Qa'eda are not the Viet Cong. If you exit, they'll follow. And Americans will die...)
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To: muawiyah
I don't read the NYT! I don't even do their crossword puzzle!
56 posted on 12/16/2005 7:45:19 PM PST by oldfart ("All governments and all civilizations fall... eventually. Our government is not immune.)
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To: DJ Taylor; All

Didn't Janet Shake and Bake Reno want or have a program that listened in on CITIZENS if they said key words like"Assassination...Kill Clinton...Money laundring....murder the President"?? It has a code word, but I can't rember it.


57 posted on 12/16/2005 7:48:01 PM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion: The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience. T)
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To: concretebob

And they were started by Evan Thomas' COMMUNIST grandfather!!


58 posted on 12/16/2005 7:50:11 PM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion: The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience. T)
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To: Ann Archy

Roger Baldwin..


59 posted on 12/16/2005 7:54:07 PM PST by concretebob (We should give anarchists what they want. Then we can kill them and not worry about jailtime.)
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To: Ann Archy
ACLU's History
60 posted on 12/16/2005 7:58:12 PM PST by Jay777 (My personal blog: www.stoptheaclu.com)
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To: Jay777

Jeeez Louise...is that Zibignew's littel boy I see on the TV?


61 posted on 12/16/2005 8:05:04 PM PST by concretebob (We should give anarchists what they want. Then we can kill them and not worry about jailtime.)
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To: concretebob
Here's a tip..if they worked for klintoon & co. as a National Security Adivsor..

RUN!!!!!

62 posted on 12/16/2005 8:07:05 PM PST by concretebob (We should give anarchists what they want. Then we can kill them and not worry about jailtime.)
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To: Jay777

ACLU shocked by Bush/NSC domestic surveillance?? How can ANYONE be shocked? As soon as Echelon was invented, it was going to be used domestically, anyone who thinks otherwise is a fool.


63 posted on 12/16/2005 8:17:36 PM PST by diogenes ghost
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To: oceanview
let's see if the administration has learned anything from the Fitzgerald fiasco - or if they just go into the usual "defense" mode on this nonsense.

My concern also. The Bush White House must learn to go on the offensive QUICKLY, and not give in to those who seek to destroy them.

Speaking of destroying, they need to politically destroy Sen. Specter-make an example of him.

64 posted on 12/16/2005 8:24:24 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (Peace Begins in the Womb)
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To: Jay777
Is it against the law; if only a 'moral law'. . . for the ACLU; the NYT's and every Congressional Librat to lie. . .misrepresent. . .deliberately distort; misconstrue the truth of the matter. . .to determinedly disregard the facts while implying. . .criminal behavior to President Bush?

We are war; not just in Iraq; but right here at home. . .the 'grass roots' is going to have to respond en masse here. . .

65 posted on 12/16/2005 8:33:50 PM PST by cricket (No Freedom - No Peace)
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To: Jay777

Where in the constitution does it mention electronic evesdropping? I can tell you that anything you say on a radio is fair game.


66 posted on 12/16/2005 8:36:42 PM PST by JustAnotherOkie
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To: concretebob
Good one. . .

Not as pretty, but this works as well:

American Communist Lawyers Union. . .

67 posted on 12/16/2005 8:42:09 PM PST by cricket (No Freedom - No Peace)
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To: michbadwin

Hey silly little lib, I worked with the NSA for twenty years doing special ops in the Navy, and yes during the Clinton years we did the exact same thing, only we were looking for drug traffickers. INTERNATIONAL CALLS and EMAILS is the key (and yes that does include electronic transmissions between CONUS and OUTUS, not just OUTUS to OUTUS) The NSA has been doing this since day one, it's their job, it's their charter. ONLY the CIA is prohibited from spying on U.S. citizens, the other 12 agencies have dispensation to investigate within the U.S. as per their charters.

To all the idiot libs:
Catch a clue, bother to learn to read while your at college.


68 posted on 12/16/2005 8:48:22 PM PST by 7mmMag@LeftCoast
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To: concretebob

hmmm, just four years after the bolshevik revolution. Damn, Stalin moved fast or was it Berria that set up the ACLU?


69 posted on 12/16/2005 8:54:54 PM PST by 7mmMag@LeftCoast
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To: moonshine mike

You are an idiot and probably a dim(U)wit. No reposible conservative on FR would adhere to that position.


70 posted on 12/16/2005 8:57:28 PM PST by 7mmMag@LeftCoast
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To: carton253

Well then, according to your post, leaks are perfectly ok and legal.


71 posted on 12/16/2005 9:43:32 PM PST by MaineVoter2002 (http://jednet207.tripod.com/PoliticalLinks.html)
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To: MaineVoter2002
No...that's not what I said at all...

I think leaks are counterproductive and nigh on treason...

I just don't think you can stop them unless you literally duct tape peoples mouths shut.

Your idea of killing them is just not practical.

72 posted on 12/16/2005 10:49:00 PM PST by carton253 (Al-Qa'eda are not the Viet Cong. If you exit, they'll follow. And Americans will die...)
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To: 7mmMag@LeftCoast
The Bolsheveik Revolution was not the start of communism.
Marx wrote The Communist Manifesto in 1843, or was it 1841?
At any rate, the idea of a socialst utopia had been around a long time before Lenin, or Beria.
Even Cecil Rhoades envisoned a classless, controlled society.
73 posted on 12/17/2005 12:41:59 AM PST by concretebob (We should give anarchists what they want. Then we can kill them and not worry about jailtime.)
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To: Jay777

I hope they were spying on ACLU's New York headquarters.

Good citizens and patriots have nothing to fear.


74 posted on 12/17/2005 4:46:43 AM PST by purpleland (Vigilance and Valor! Socialism is the Opiate of Academia)
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To: Jay777
I really don't have much sympathy for anyone in the US that is on a phone call with a terrorist. This seems like such an obvious thing to do it amazes me that anyone - yes even the NYT - would be critical. Sen Feingold says it should "send a chill down the spine of any American". What chills my spine is that Senators seem to have declared a war on Intelligence gathering. It boggles the logical mind.
75 posted on 12/17/2005 6:33:54 AM PST by handy (Forgive me this day, my daily typos...The Truth is not a Smear!)
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To: carton253
Your idea of killing them is just not practical.

I think you replied to the wrong person.

77 posted on 12/17/2005 8:13:17 AM PST by MaineVoter2002 (http://jednet207.tripod.com/PoliticalLinks.html)
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To: Jay777

ACLU STFU


78 posted on 12/17/2005 8:13:46 AM PST by Hardastarboard
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To: concretebob

I'm well aware of Marx and Engels historically & of the ideas of the previous 3 centuries of writers whom or envisioned classless societies and/or utopias.

My comment was was partially injest and partially a rhetorical question in that the Soviet communist party probably had some influence (though not the primary driving force) in the founding of the ACLU.


79 posted on 12/17/2005 12:49:52 PM PST by 7mmMag@LeftCoast
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To: Perdogg

I'm not a Constitutional lawyer but I'll wager that a president has the authority in time of war or if there is a threat to national security to order surveillance operations without court orders.


80 posted on 12/17/2005 1:01:57 PM PST by moose2004 (You Can Run But You Can't Hide!)
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To: moose2004
From what I have heard, the surveillance was legal because all of the calls had at least one overseas exchange involved.
81 posted on 12/17/2005 1:16:32 PM PST by Perdogg ("Facts are stupid things." - President Ronald Wilson Reagan)
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To: Perdogg

Thanks for the info.


82 posted on 12/17/2005 1:27:02 PM PST by moose2004 (You Can Run But You Can't Hide!)
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