Skip to comments.Creation evangelist derides evolution as ‘dumbest’ theory [Kent Hovind Alert!]
Posted on 12/17/2005 3:58:48 AM PST by PatrickHenry
A former high school science teacher turned creation science evangelist told an audience at the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee last Tuesday that evolution is the dumbest and most dangerous theory on planet Earth.
Kent Hovind, founder of Creation Science Evangelism, presented Creation or Evolution Which Has More Merit? to a standing-room only audience in the Union Ballroom on Dec. 6. The event was sponsored by the Apologetics Association, the organization that brought Baptist minister Tim Wilkins to UWM to speak about homosexuality in October.
Members of the Apologetics Association (AA) contacted biology, chemistry and geology professors at UWM and throughout the UW System, inviting them to debate Hovind for an honorarium of $200 to be provided to the individual or group of individuals who agreed.
Before the event began, the No-Debater List, which was comprised of slides listing the names of UWM science professors who declined the invitation, was projected behind the stage.
Dustin Wales, AA president, said it was his biggest disappointment that no professor agreed to debate Hovind.
No professor wanted to defend his side, he said. I mean, we had seats reserved for their people cause I know one objection could have been Oh, its just a bunch of Christians. So we had seats reserved for them to bring people to make sure that its somewhat more equal, not just all against one. And still nobody would do it.
Biology professor Andrew Petto said: It is a pernicious lie that the Apologetics (Association) is spreading that no one responded to the challenge. Many of us (professors) did respond to the challenge; what we responded was, No, thank you.
Petto, who has attended three of Hovinds performances, said that because Hovind presents misinterpretations, half truths and outright lies, professors at UWM decided not to accept his invitation to a debate.
In a nutshell, debates like this do not settle issues of scientific understanding, he said. Hovind and his arguments are not even in the same galaxy as legitimate scientific discourse. This is why the faculty here has universally decided not to engage Hovind. The result would be to give the appearance of a controversy where none exists.
He added, The faculty on campus is under no obligation to waste its time supporting Hovinds little charade.
Hovind, however, is used to being turned down. Near the end of his speech, he said, Over 3,000 professors have refused to debate me. Why? Because Im not afraid of them.
Hovind began his multimedia presentation by asserting that evolution is the dumbest and most dangerous theory used in the scientific community, but that he is not opposed to science.
Our ministry is not against science, but against using lies to prove things, he said. He followed this statement by citing biblical references to lies, which were projected onto screens behind him.
Hovind said: I am not trying to get evolution out of schools or to get creation in. We are trying to get lies out of textbooks. He added that if removing lies from textbooks leaves no evidence for evolutionists theory, then they should get a new theory.
He cited numerous state statutes that require that textbooks be accurate and up-to-date, but said these laws are clearly not enforced because the textbooks are filled with lies and are being taught to students.
Petto said it is inevitable that textbooks will contain some errors.
Sometimes, this is an oversight. Sometimes it is the result of the editorial and revision process. Sometimes it is the result of trying to portray a rich and complex idea in a very few words, he said.
The first lie Hovind presented concerned the formation of the Grand Canyon. He said that two people can look at the canyon. The person who believes in evolution would say, Wow, look what the Colorado River did for millions and millions of years. The Bible-believing Christian would say, Wow, look what the flood did in about 30 minutes.
To elaborate, Hovind discussed the geologic column the chronologic arrangement of rock from oldest to youngest in which boundaries between different eras are marked by a change in the fossil record. He explained that it does not take millions of years to form layers of sedimentary rock.
You can get a jar of mud out of your yard, put some water in it, shake it up, set it down, and it will settle out into layers for you, he said. Hovind used this concept of hydrologic sorting to argue that the biblical flood is what was responsible for the formation of the Grand Canyons layers of sedimentary rock.
Hovind also criticized the concept of micro-evolution, or evolution on a small, species-level scale. He said that micro-evolution is, in fact, scientific, observable and testable. But, he said, it is also scriptural, as the Bible says, They bring forth after his kind.
Therefore, according to the Bible and micro-evolution, dogs produce a variety of dogs and they all have a common ancestor a dog.
Hovind said, however, Charles Darwin made a giant leap of faith and logic from observing micro-evolution into believing in macro-evolution, or evolution above the species level. Hovind said that according to macro-evolution, birds and bananas are related if one goes back far enough in time, and the ancestor ultimately was a rock.
He concluded his speech by encouraging students to personally remove the lies from their textbooks and parents to lobby their school board for accurate textbooks.
Tear that page out of your book, he said. Would you leave that in there just to lie to the kids?
Petto said Hovind believes the information in textbooks to be lies because his determination is grounded in faith, not science.
Make no mistake, this is not a determination made on the scientific evidence, but one in which he has decided on the basis of faith alone that the Bible is correct, and if the Bible is correct, then science must be wrong, he said.
Petto said Hovind misinterprets scientific information and then argues against his misinterpretation.
That is, of course, known as the straw man argument great debating strategy, but nothing to do with what scientists actually say or do, he said. The bottom line here is that the science is irrelevant to his conclusions.
Another criticism of Hovinds presentation is his citation of pre-college textbooks. Following the event, an audience member said, I dont think using examples of grade school and high school biology can stand up to evolution.
Petto called this an interesting and effective rhetorical strategy and explained that Hovind is not arguing against science, but the textbook version of science.
The texts are not presenting the research results of the scientific community per se, but digesting and paraphrasing it in a way to make it more effective in learning science, he said. So, what (Hovind) is complaining about is not what science says, but what the textbooks say that science says.
Petto said this abbreviated version of scientific research is due, in part, to the editorial and production processes, which impose specific limits on what is included.
He added that grade school and high school textbooks tend to contain very general information about evolution and pressure from anti-evolutionists has weakened evolutionary discussion in textbooks.
Lower-level texts tend to be more general in their discussions of evolution and speak more vaguely of change over time and adaptation and so on, he said. Due to pressure by anti-evolutionists, textbook publishers tend to shy away from being too evolutionary in their texts The more pressure there is on schools and publishers, the weaker the evolution gets, and the weaker it gets, the more likely that it will not do a good job of representing the current consensus among biologists.
Hovind has a standing offer of $250,000 for anyone who can give any empirical evidence (scientific proof) for evolution. According to Hovinds Web site, the offer demonstrates that the hypothesis of evolution is nothing more than a religious belief.
The Web site, www.drdino.com, says, Persons wishing to collect the $250,000 may submit their evidence in writing or schedule time for a public presentation. A committee of trained scientists will provide peer review of the evidence offered and, to the best of their ability, will be fair and honest in their evaluation and judgment as to the validity of the evidence presented.
Wales said the AAs goal in bringing Hovind to UWM was to crack the issue on campus and bring attention to the fallibility of evolution.
The ultimate goal was to say that, Gosh, evolution isnt as concrete as you say it is, and why do you get to teach everyone this non-concrete thing and then not defend it when someone comes and says your wrong? he said. Its just absurd.
OK We got it. The idea makes you feel uncomfortable. And yout feelings matter.
I'll take that as an admission that Hovind is a scammer, a tax cheat and a nutball.
Please tell me you're just paraphrasing some big media huckster and aren't really ignorant enough to honestly believe what your posting here? Please?
How do you provide FACTS which disprove something when there's no facts which prove the premise in the first place. Here I'll give you one fact that ends the debate.
Evolution can not be observed because of the "stated" amount of time it would take for one species to evolve into another. The only problem with this fact is the definition of "species." A dog, is a dog, is a dog.
They love his tax-exempt theme park!
Fits right in with the rest of their delusions.
Thanks for the ping!
" Evolution can not be observed because of the "stated" amount of time it would take for one species to evolve into another."
BTW, direct observation is only ONE way to gather evidence about something. Many theories in science are centered on indirect observations.
"The only problem with this fact is the definition of "species." A dog, is a dog, is a dog."
Why is this a problem? How do YOU define species?
It makes you wonder what must have happened to Hovind's income since the internet got really BIG. Look at how the incomes of other internet operations have rocketed...
There is pure CONJECTURE for that and you know it and to assert otherwise is being totally dishonest.
This is a perfect example of evolutionist trying to make something factual which is not!
Holy Moly, I put up a laughable conjecturous theme up in the air and you're going to try to turn it into a fact? And you evolutionist wonder why people don't believe your B.S.?
Well, we don't know how much is donations versus speaking fees, but other than that, pretty much :)
I've found the usual reason to be a complete lack of interest in the evidence, and a complete lack of interest in "searching for the truth".
Nope sorry, the idea that the grand canyon was created in 30 minutes (or seconds, or hours) is pure CONJECTURE. Anything that is based on at least some evidence is better than such conjecture.
True. And I probably omitted his largest source of income from my last post, his book and video sales. I would hazard that being able to sell directly on the internet has caused his income on that front to go through the roof. The conclusion is obvious - we're in the wrong line of work, my friend...
You give it too much credit. I would classify it either as delusion or fantasy, on a par with any folly that includes Xenu as a causative agent somewhere within its line of reasoning.
What Hovind exposes is the fact that believers in the religion of evolutionist theory GLUED the moths to trees to try and support their "thoery."
Needless to say, after the evolutionist got through pasting the moths to tress, they were still moths.
Yeah Kent for exposing the ignorant people behind evolution!!!
If you think the IRS waits a year and a half to indict people, you will be quite happy believing the fairty tale of evolution.
BTW, the IRS has tried the same tactic with Kent before and they ended up apologizing and returning his cars.
Man, you are really showing your ignorance!!!
Dr. Hovind is not a part of the Bible Believers Bookshop. And he makes very little money off the materials he produces because he does not copyright them. He allows people to copy them and do with them what they will.
He has some excellent materials at a great price. But he never tries to charge people more than what they are worth and if you called him today and told him you needed something and could not afford it, he would give it away to you for free.
I have personally seen him do that.
So stop trying to malign the guy and get your facts straight before you post lies about the man on a public forum.