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U.S. no-fly list vexes travelers from babies on up
Reuters ^ | December 15, 2005 | Caroline Drees

Posted on 12/17/2005 9:35:45 AM PST by billorites

Sarah Zapolsky was checking in for a flight to Italy when she discovered her 9-month-old son's name was on the United States' "no-fly" list of suspected terrorists.

"We pointed down to the stroller, and he sat there and gurgled," Zapolsky said, recalling the incident at Dulles International Airport outside Washington in July. "The desk agent started laughing. ... She couldn't print us out a boarding pass because he's on the no-fly list."

Zapolsky, who did not want her son's name made public, said she was initially amused by the mix-up. "But when I found out you can't actually get off the list, I started to get a bit annoyed."

Zapolsky isn't alone.

According to the Transportation Security Administration, more than 28,000 people have applied to the TSA redress office to get on the "cleared list," which takes note of individuals whose names are similar to those on the terrorism watch list, but does not guarantee an end to no-fly list hassles.

The TSA does not reveal how many or which names are actually on the list, and complaints do not get names removed since they refer to suspected terrorists. The best innocent travelers can hope for is a letter from the TSA which it says should facilitate travel, but is no panacea.

In addition to babies, the victims of mistaken identity on the no-fly list have included aging retirees and public figures such as Democratic Sen. Edward Kennedy of Massachusetts, Republican Rep. Don Young of Alaska and Democratic Rep. John Lewis of Georgia.

"It's a significant problem," said Brenda Jones, the spokeswoman for Rep. Lewis, who travels by plane at least twice a week. She said the congressman had written to the TSA, but "he is still on the no-fly list, and the problems persist."

SECRETIVE LIST

The classified no-fly list was adopted after the Sept. 11, 2001, hijacked plane attacks to prevent suspected terrorists from getting on aircraft or coming to the United States. Airlines must check passenger names against the list before they are allowed to get on a plane.

While the number of suspected terrorists on the list is unknown, aviation sources estimate it includes tens of thousands of names, if not more.

TSA spokesman Christopher White said the agency had seven people working full-time on processing applications to get on the cleared list. Considering the number of applications, that works out to more than 4,000 complaints per redress officer.

"We do take the cleared list very seriously, and it's also important for us to focus on the right people. It does us no good to focus on the wrong John Doe," White said.

Cleared individuals receive a letter from the TSA which says "we have provided sufficient personal information to the airlines to distinguish you from other individuals" but cautions that "TSA cannot ensure that your travel will be delay free."

John Graham, a 63-year-old former State Department official, said his TSA letter had not helped at all.

"I'm at a point now where I don't really care whether my name is on the list as a mistake, as mistaken identity, or whether someone at TSA does intend to hassle me. The fact is, there's a total absence of due process," he said.

The American Civil Liberties Union calls the no-fly list system unconstitutional, saying it treats people as guilty without a trial and unfairly deprives them of freedoms. It also says the system is an inaccurate and ineffective security method.

Despite efforts by the TSA to address complaints and concerns about the no-fly list, ACLU attorney Reggie Shuford said very little had changed to improve the process.

"We continually hear from people being caught up on the no-fly list with the same frustrating experiences and inability to get off the list," he said.

Peter Johnson, a retired bibliographer at Princeton University, said travel became "hellish" after he discovered his name was on the no-fly list in August 2004.

"I'm not sure if what's behind this is an effort to simply control people or if it's largely mismanagement and poorly conceptualized programming," Johnson said, adding a TSA official had told him there were more than 2,000 other Peter Johnsons in the United States who reported similar problems.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: airlinesecurity; noflylist; tsa

1 posted on 12/17/2005 9:35:47 AM PST by billorites
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To: billorites
"more than 2,000 other Peter Johnsons"

Whose names are both infelicitous and redundant.

2 posted on 12/17/2005 9:37:08 AM PST by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: billorites

Babies do not belong on airliners, period.


3 posted on 12/17/2005 9:39:52 AM PST by sourcery (Either the Constitution trumps stare decisis, or else the Constitution is a dead letter.)
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To: billorites

I get the feeling some @#$%^ at TSA was bored, and added "Peter Johnson" to the list as a joke. What a funny, funny guy.


4 posted on 12/17/2005 9:39:54 AM PST by Slings and Arrows ("MOO...BANG...MOOO!")
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To: billorites
In addition to babies, the victims of mistaken identity on the no-fly list have included ... public figures such as Democratic Sen. Edward Kennedy of Massachusetts

Wasn't no mistake.

5 posted on 12/17/2005 9:40:38 AM PST by martin_fierro (Famous Insomniac)
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To: billorites
Come into the U.S. through our border with Mexico, it's much easier than flying into Dulles!

No I.D. or visa required!

Free beverages and food along the way!

Free bus ticket possible!

6 posted on 12/17/2005 9:40:41 AM PST by DTogo (Merry CHRISTmas, and a healthy & happy New Year!)
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To: billorites
Zapolsky, who did not want her son's name made public

May we assume his name is not John Zapolsky, or anything obvious like that?

7 posted on 12/17/2005 9:41:06 AM PST by Tax-chick ("Dick Cheney never trims his own nails. He simply stares at them until the tips melt off.")
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To: billorites

Why is it that *every* so-called security measure has the effect of inconveniencing the innocent while doing nothing to stop the guilty?

A genuine wrongdoer who thought he was on the list would just travel with false papers.


8 posted on 12/17/2005 9:41:17 AM PST by dsc (さよくしんじまえ)
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To: sourcery

"Babies do not belong on airliners, period."

Grinch.

(Love your tag line, though)


9 posted on 12/17/2005 9:42:28 AM PST by dsc (さよくしんじまえ)
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To: billorites

Maybe this is naive but I wonder why they don't simply add gender and approximate age to the no-fly profiles to eliminate obvious mismatches.


10 posted on 12/17/2005 9:42:53 AM PST by gondramB (Rightful liberty is unobstructed action within limits of the equal rights of others.)
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To: billorites

It would be so much more effective if we scrutinized muslims closely, especially those coming from the Middle East, Pakistan, etc. Until then, Peter Johnson is screwed.


11 posted on 12/17/2005 9:43:09 AM PST by neodad (Rule Number 1: Be Armed)
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To: jv1

Bingo and ditto.

Arm all non-muslim pilots...


15 posted on 12/17/2005 9:52:56 AM PST by George from New England
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To: jv1

"I fly for a major airline. One of our pilots is on the no fly list, put there by a ticket agent in retaliation for her having to do her job."

Ticket agents can put people on the list?

Good grief.


16 posted on 12/17/2005 9:55:10 AM PST by dsc (さよくしんじまえ)
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To: billorites

Sasquatch was on the "endangered" species list for quite a while. People shouldn't get so excited about it. These things can be worked out.


17 posted on 12/17/2005 9:57:00 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (We did not lose in Vietnam. We left.)
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To: Tax-chick

My thought as well. Maybe the kid is named after Osama.


18 posted on 12/17/2005 10:01:47 AM PST by Malesherbes
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To: billorites

bump


19 posted on 12/17/2005 10:02:04 AM PST by VOA
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To: Malesherbes

Yeah, that was a very strange line.


20 posted on 12/17/2005 10:04:01 AM PST by Tax-chick ("Dick Cheney never trims his own nails. He simply stares at them until the tips melt off.")
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To: billorites

Change your name, get some fake ID ... terrorists can do it, why not innocent Americans .....???


21 posted on 12/17/2005 10:07:02 AM PST by SkyDancer ("Talent Without Ambition Is Sad - Ambition Without Talent Is Worse")
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To: Slings and Arrows

took me a minute but I finally got it ... LOL


22 posted on 12/17/2005 10:07:52 AM PST by SkyDancer ("Talent Without Ambition Is Sad - Ambition Without Talent Is Worse")
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To: sourcery

I agree...but what else can you do?


23 posted on 12/17/2005 10:13:58 AM PST by Dallas59 (添ou love life, while we love death"( Al-Qaeda & Democratic Party)
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To: jv1
One of our pilots is on the no fly list, put there by a ticket agent in retaliation for her having to do her job.

Why isn't she in jail for doing this?

24 posted on 12/17/2005 10:55:34 AM PST by Rytwyng ("Always winter and never Christmas" -- the curse of the White Witch and the ACLU!)
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To: billorites

TSA spokesman Rod Stafford had no comment.


25 posted on 12/17/2005 11:06:38 AM PST by james500
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To: FlingWingFlyer
Sasquatch was on the "endangered" species list for quite a while.

Still is. Also the cealocanth is listed as endangered. I tried to list my cat but they said it was not endangered. A lot they know.

26 posted on 12/17/2005 11:09:43 AM PST by Amos the Prophet (amen)
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To: Amos the Prophet

LOL! That's funny about the cat. I thought they took the Sasquatch off of the list. I guess I'm mistaken. That sure does say a lot about government "lists" doesn't it? LOL!


27 posted on 12/17/2005 3:02:00 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (We did not lose in Vietnam. We left.)
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To: james500

More like TSA agent Rod Hardstaff had no comment.


28 posted on 12/17/2005 3:04:49 PM PST by nwrep
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To: nwrep

"More like TSA agent Rod Hardstaff had no comment."

Didn't he play opposite Buck Naked in "Barney Does the DNC?"


29 posted on 12/17/2005 7:29:15 PM PST by dsc (さよくしんじまえ)
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To: dsc
Worth dredging up again ~ the leftwingers at various sites are really disturbed that a leftwing Canadian named "James Moore" has ended up on the "No Fly List".

At the same time they are oblivious to the news that Canada's Minister of Transport actually did suggest that a Mr. James Moore who is a Conservative Member of Parliament be placed on a "No Fly List" ~ Canada doesn't have such a list, but there it is.

The end result appears to be that numerous "James Moore" named individuals in Canada are banned from boarding planes in the US, or landing here.

This may be to the good.

30 posted on 01/05/2006 6:42:35 PM PST by muawiyah (-)
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