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Tracking 'MD4Bush' identity is debated
Baltimore Sun ^ | 12/17/05 | David Nitkin and Doug Donovan

Posted on 12/17/2005 10:40:39 AM PST by conservative in nyc

As Republicans and conservatives zero in on the identity of the mysterious Internet visitor who coaxed an aide to Gov. Robert L. Ehrlich Jr. into spreading rumors about Baltimore Mayor Martin O'Malley, a question is blossoming in political circles.

Does the identity of MD4Bush, the surreptitious user of a conservative Web site, matter? If revealed, will the knowledge change the public's perception of O'Malley or Ehrlich?

Some political experts say that the answer to both questions is yes and that it's worth following the plot turns in the increasingly convoluted saga. If MD4Bush turns out to be a Democratic Party official with links to O'Malley, they say, the story changes drastically. O'Malley's reputation will have been stained, they say.

"If it was a setup, that's got lack of ethics written all over it," said Donald F. Norris, a public policy professor at University of Maryland, Baltimore County. "If you set a guy up to get him, that's political dirty tricks. Whose hands are dirtier? Any benefit that would have accrued to O'Malley's campaign because of the dirty tricks of Ehrlich now bite the mayor in the you-know-what."

But others say that the identity of the Internet user is a political sideshow with little impact in the race for governor. O'Malley is seeking the Democratic nomination against Montgomery County Executive Douglas M. Duncan for the right to run against Ehrlich.

--Snip--

Yesterday, Kristinn Taylor, a spokesman for freerepublic.com, disclosed more details. He said three Internet provider addresses were used by MD4Bush -- one in Pasadena, one maintained by The Washington Post in Bowie, and one in Baltimore. The Post has acknowledged that a reporter logged on as MD4Bush earlier this year to verify the postings' authenticity.

(Excerpt) Read more at baltimoresun.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Free Republic; News/Current Events; US: Maryland
KEYWORDS: ehrlich; md4bush; nitkin; omalley; steffen; wp
Here's the Baltimore Sun's "news analysis" on the most recent MD4Bush revelations. More at the link, for what it's worth.

On the con side, Baltimore political consultant Julius Henson was quoted by the Sunpaper as saying "I don't know really at the end of the day what the whole exercise is about." And, of course, ACTING executive director of the Maryland Democrat Party, Derek Walker said he didn't think the story was important.

1 posted on 12/17/2005 10:40:41 AM PST by conservative in nyc
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To: NCPAC; MD4Bush; xcullen; Anti-Bubba182; Mo1; cyncooper; BillF; crushkerry; Howlin; backhoe; ...

MD4Bush Ping!


2 posted on 12/17/2005 10:41:14 AM PST by conservative in nyc
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To: conservative in nyc

They still can't get it right on who was spreading rumors.


3 posted on 12/17/2005 10:46:01 AM PST by Old Flat Toad (Pima County, home of the single vehicle accident with 40 victims.)
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To: conservative in nyc

At some point, MD4Bush's actual IP address needs to be made public.

Once the actual IP is public, *other* websites will be able to do log scans to see if they've been visited by this Democratic Party activist.

That will generate more evidence against the Washington Post, too.


4 posted on 12/17/2005 10:46:18 AM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: conservative in nyc

Of course it impacts the race, the MD DNC is furious that they're the new Watergate bad guys. Believe me, the heads are going to roll over there soon, a bloodbath extraordinaire. What did OMalley know and when did he know it?

This plus the DNC's racist treatment of Steele are big news, and huge tools for Reps. in MD. Let's hope they have the spine to really use them like the Rats would.


5 posted on 12/17/2005 10:50:17 AM PST by wvobiwan (It's OUR Net! If you don't like it keep your stanky routers off it!)
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To: Southack
Drip.

Drip.

Drip.

You're assuming MD4Bush had a static IP address. But even if he didn't, it would be fair to assume that his IP address didn't change much on the day he posted, unless he used dial-up.
6 posted on 12/17/2005 10:50:45 AM PST by conservative in nyc
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To: conservative in nyc
The Post has acknowledged that a reporter logged on as MD4Bush earlier this year to verify the postings' authenticity.

Which is the real story, conveniently ignored: The WaPo colluding with a Democratic operative to make public private conversations-- without the Dem operative and the WaPo, there wasn't exactly a "smear campaign," now was there?

7 posted on 12/17/2005 10:53:22 AM PST by atomicpossum (Replies should be as pedantic as possible. I love that so much.)
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To: conservative in nyc
A minor but significant correction:

As Republicans and conservatives zero in on the identity of the mysterious Internet visitor who coaxed failed in his attempt to coax an aide to Gov. Robert L. Ehrlich Jr. into spreading rumors about Baltimore Mayor Martin O'Malley...

8 posted on 12/17/2005 10:55:46 AM PST by Bob
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To: Old Flat Toad
They still can't don't want to get it right on who was spreading rumors.

This may be closer to the truth.
9 posted on 12/17/2005 10:57:27 AM PST by contemplator (Capitalism gets no Rock Concerts)
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To: Bob

Absolutely correct!


10 posted on 12/17/2005 10:57:31 AM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham (De gustibus non est disputandum.)
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To: atomicpossum

The WaPo (and the NYT and most Lib media) colludes with Dem. operatives, publishes Top Secret info, publishes outright lies, incites riots, promotes race baiting, coddles terrorists, etc.

Thanks goodness for the internet, cable news, and talk radio. Wave goodbye to old media...

Good riddance to our Fifth Column.


11 posted on 12/17/2005 10:59:17 AM PST by wvobiwan (It's OUR Net! If you don't like it keep your stanky routers off it!)
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To: conservative in nyc
coaxed an aide to Gov. Robert L. Ehrlich Jr. into spreading rumors about Baltimore Mayor Martin O'Malley

Your noses are getting longer, Dave & Doug. By the way, why does it take two reporters to report on what WBAL has already released as news?

Earth to Dave and Doug: Steffan NEVER spread any rumors about O'Malley. Only MD4BUSH raised the subject. He tried to trap Steffan into agreeing with his rumors, and Steffan consistently refused.

Liar, liar, pants on fire. If I were you, I would ask your editor for another assignment, or you are liable to end up as part of a criminal investigation alongside that criminal instigator who works for the Washington Post.

12 posted on 12/17/2005 10:59:57 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: conservative in nyc

I will say I am a regular on FR but I never got hooked on following this whole matter. I understand I could go back and read the 20-30 megs of posts on the subject but I am not sure I would be ahead of where I am right now. And that is-

What is this all about? Could some kind soul please give me a one-two paragraph summary of the meaning/importance of this thing.

I don't live in Md so is it in any way important to me?

My thanks.


13 posted on 12/17/2005 11:06:03 AM PST by lawdude (LIEberals/socialists make up facts and history as they go!)
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To: lawdude

Click on the MD4Bush link at the top of your FR forum, follow the link suggestions for background info. Jim Robinson's post 70 is a good backgrounder.


14 posted on 12/17/2005 11:10:46 AM PST by wvobiwan (It's OUR Net! If you don't like it keep your stanky routers off it!)
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To: Southack
Once the actual IP is public, *other* websites will be able to do log scans to see if they've been visited by this Democratic Party activist.

Is this possible if MD4Bush has a dynamic IP Address, which most individuals do?

15 posted on 12/17/2005 11:11:26 AM PST by Pontiac (Ignorance of the law is no excuse, ignorance of your rights can be fatal.)
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To: Pontiac

Most will have a finite range of IPs even so, easily searched.


16 posted on 12/17/2005 11:17:33 AM PST by wvobiwan (It's OUR Net! If you don't like it keep your stanky routers off it!)
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To: lawdude
Here's Jim Robinson's most recent explanation of the subject.

And here's a MD4Bush Primer. Also look at the articles linked in the first post at the link (on the prior page, if you're viewing 50 or less posts per page). The primer hasn't been updated to include this week's events.
17 posted on 12/17/2005 11:20:32 AM PST by conservative in nyc
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To: lawdude

Basically a Democrat got a Free Republic account, pretended to be a Republican ("MD4Bush"), and exchanged a series of FREEPmails with someone on FR who was an aide to the Republican Governor of Maryland, Bob Ehrlich. The Democrat brought up some marital rumors about the Democratic Mayor of Baltimore, Martin O'Malley (who is running for Governor) so he could get replies from from the Republican aide (Joseph Steffen, "NCPAC" on FR) discussing them, then he ran to the Washington Post with the FREEPmails, and a WaPo employee logged on with the same ID as the Democrat to "verify" them, and then published a story about the whole thing, resulting in the resignation of said Ehrlich employee. It was a setup.

The story was mis-reported initially as the FREEPmails being public "blog" or "bulletin board" postings rather than private FREEPmails by people that didn't understand what FR was.

Basically what's happened recently is that the ID of the Democrat is being narrowed down and it's increasingly clear it was in fact a Democrat.

However, despite the hopes of a lot of people, it's clear this story is FAR too complicated for the average Maryland Democrat or undecided (heck, it seems nobody on FR outside of MD understands the story) to understand or care about it, and it's going to end up being politically irrelevant. The only people who care about or understand the story in Maryland are people who were going to vote Republican anyway.

And despite various noises about what the WaPo did being illegal I'd put the chances of any prosecutions or successful lawsuits from any of this as about 0%.


18 posted on 12/17/2005 11:30:58 AM PST by Strategerist
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To: conservative in nyc

Anyone interested, the emails I sent took a couple of days, but they finally "bounced back". Interesting. That's only happened when my kid hacked servers in Big China.


19 posted on 12/17/2005 11:33:58 AM PST by muawiyah (u)
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To: muawiyah
Anyone interested, the emails I sent took a couple of days, but they finally "bounced back".

I guess the accounts are now totally closed. I think e-mails to suspended Yahoo! accounts (for not logging on every few months or so) usually just go to never-never land. Is that wrong?
21 posted on 12/17/2005 11:53:41 AM PST by conservative in nyc
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To: conservative in nyc

What I can't understand about all of this is.

1. How can you be that stupid to use an email address that could be tracked back to you?

2. Why would you use your own internet connection to sign up from, to post from.

There are plenty of ways to stay annonymous on the internet, ffrom what I have seen and heard this guy is a real idiot.


22 posted on 12/17/2005 12:34:43 PM PST by Xenophobic Alien (Kerry lost. Please take that stupid bumper sticker off your car!)
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To: Xenophobic Alien
There are plenty of ways to stay annonymous on the internet, ffrom what I have seen and heard this guy is a real idiot DUmbbell.

Mayhap that would help explain the lack of brain?

23 posted on 12/17/2005 12:39:36 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: conservative in nyc

I never believed Sade Baderinwa would have sex with a worm , since worms are both sexes . I just think O'malley made up the rumor to present himself as a more manly worm . . .


24 posted on 12/17/2005 12:41:34 PM PST by lionheart 247365 (( I.S.L.A.M. stands for - Islams Spiritual Leaders Advocate Murder .. .. .. ))
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To: conservative in nyc
The Post has acknowledged that a reporter logged on as MD4Bush earlier this year to verify the postings' authenticity.

I'm asuming that there is a history somewhere on the FR server for this login session to see exactly what was posted (if anything) when this reporter was logged in?

25 posted on 12/17/2005 12:44:05 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (This is my tagline. There are many like it but this one is mine.)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

He didn't post while logged in, he just looked around.


26 posted on 12/17/2005 2:12:39 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Anti-Bubba182

If MD4Bush attempts to destroy any evidence, do you know how many years in prison he would sentenced to, and how many dollars would he be fined?


27 posted on 12/17/2005 5:53:15 PM PST by HAL9000 (Get a Mac - The Ultimate FReeping Machine)
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To: HAL9000
The only thing a poster could do would be to delete the FRmail he received. I don't think he did that.

Now I imagine he may have cleaned up the MDDems machine if he used that one or possible a personal machine as well.

The clearest violation of law I see is by Mosk when he accessed MD4Bush's FRmail through his password. He admits he did this. That access is against the access limits allowed by FR and the law.

28 posted on 12/17/2005 6:08:54 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: conservative in nyc; Jim Robinson
I was concerned that this would just blow over if the Sun ignored it like they should. I'm happy to see they couldn't let it go.

And the icing on the cake is that the editorial is written by David "banned by Bob" Nitkin. They have officially stepped in it.

The mention of FR by the Sun makes it offical that they will be dusting off that dossier on JimRob they were given by camp O'Malley.

Jim please let us know when the Sun calls you to get your reaction to comments you made 6 years ago archived by AFers on servers in Kuala Lumpur.

29 posted on 12/17/2005 6:21:15 PM PST by nunya bidness (Freedom is never more than one generation from extinction - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

If MD4Bush willingly helped Mosk to exceed the access limits - its a conspiracy.


30 posted on 12/17/2005 6:44:12 PM PST by HAL9000 (Get a Mac - The Ultimate FReeping Machine)
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To: HAL9000
"If MD4Bush willingly helped Mosk to exceed the access limits"

He had to or Mosk wouldn't know the password and MD4Bush should have read and observed the Registration and User Agreement which prohibits sharing a password.

All that said, and even though there are all the elements of a crime, I doubt the Feds pursue this even if Jim Robinson complains. They will write it off as politics and dismiss it.

31 posted on 12/17/2005 6:52:12 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: conservative in nyc
And, of course, ACTING executive director of the Maryland Democrat Party, Derek Walker said he didn't think the story was important.

Hmm. Fascinating. He's saying that No Dems should talk on this or they should refuse to "engage". O'Malley's comments, posted in the other thread, reveal, he's not as seasoned a "speaker/player" as he'd like to think he is.

I have a hunch, a bigger Dem Player than O'Malley should be making an appearance in this "story" soon, to put the official Democrat "imprimateur" of "story is dead" on a matter, which in fact, is closing in on the Dems.

32 posted on 12/17/2005 8:16:48 PM PST by Alia
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To: Alia
Who is a bigger Dem player in Maryland than Martin O'Malley? Or are you expecting a national Democrat?
33 posted on 12/17/2005 8:56:27 PM PST by conservative in nyc
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To: conservative in nyc
Or are you expecting a national Democrat?

Yes. My reasoning is "under" O'Malley cannot be called upon with any form of "gravitas" to "shut down" this investigation into the corruption of the MD4Bush matter. O'Malley is obviously a weak player himself to have allowed this situation, from first rumor to grow out of control; and then attempt/allow his own underlings to attempt to control spin by planting the rumor upon Erlich's staffmember, Steffan.

The group as it is now, O'Mally and "under"staff, resembled a torched pigeon hurtling towards the ground. For Dems to suceed at their current mission (protecting MDDEMS and WaPO credibility), a bigger player with more media pull than merely O'Malley has got to arrive on the scene. Or even some "50-center" wordings by some of the elite in the media. I doubt the media is willing to stick their necks out even further for the Dems on this. Ergo, the Dem "national" figure.

34 posted on 12/17/2005 9:23:34 PM PST by Alia
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To: Alia
So far, this is just a Maryland issue that, judging from the "please explain this" comments on every thread, few FReepers understand, let alone the general Maryland electorate. Unless there's something to link the national Democrat party to it (or the damage to the WaPo's credibility becomes much more extensive), I doubt this will become a national issue. I hope I'm wrong.

As for O'Malley's inability to stop rumors about his private life, perhaps he should have started by telling his own wife not to blab to the Washington Post about them in 2000. The Free Republic posts on the O'Malley infidelity rumors were far from the first (even on the Internet) and will be far from the last time you hear them.
35 posted on 12/17/2005 11:12:01 PM PST by conservative in nyc
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To: conservative in nyc

bttt


36 posted on 12/17/2005 11:16:42 PM PST by nopardons
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To: conservative in nyc
So far, the MDDems haven't been able to kill this story. That's why I was thinking they'd have to bring someone bigger into it. But then again, why would a "bigger" Dem stick his/her neck out that way?

As for O'Malley's inability to stop rumors about his private life, perhaps he should have started by telling his own wife not to blab to the Washington Post about them in 2000.

Exactly.

The Free Republic posts on the O'Malley infidelity rumors were far from the first (even on the Internet)

yes, I did know this rumor had been percolating IN Maryland for quite some time before MD4Bush brought it to FR

and will be far from the last time you hear them.

Sounds like some folks really don't like that guy.

37 posted on 12/18/2005 4:24:40 AM PST by Alia
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To: Southack; conservative in nyc

Couldn't Gov Ehrlich subpeona the information from FR then the ISPs?


38 posted on 12/20/2005 5:30:57 PM PST by mosquitobite (As the Iraqis stand up, we will stand down.)
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To: Kermit the Frog Does theWatusi
Some political experts say that the answer to both questions is yes and that it's worth following the plot turns in the increasingly convoluted saga. If MD4Bush turns out to be a Democratic Party official with links to O'Malley, they say, the story changes drastically.

To put it mildly...

Well, at least they finally get it.

39 posted on 12/21/2005 2:54:12 PM PST by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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