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Brokeback Mountin Bombs at Box Office; Holiday BO smells
data from Box Office Mojo ^ | 12/17/05 | Dangus

Posted on 12/17/2005 11:10:22 AM PST by dangus

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To: Diana in Wisconsin
Why would talented people, both Pulitzer Prize winners, want to be involved in exploitation like this? Oh, yeah. Money! LOL! Well, they'll be saddened on this one...

We'll see. It only reached #8 on the box office chart this past weekend. I doubt it goes higher.
351 posted on 12/19/2005 9:11:27 AM PST by BikerNYC (Modernman should not have been banned.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Larry McMurtry doesn't need the money. And by all accounts doesn't care much for money.

On the other hand, he's fascinated by the cowboy genre, both traditional (Lonesome Dove) and updated (Horseman, Pass by (Hud), The Last Picture Show, etc.).

352 posted on 12/19/2005 9:16:18 AM PST by durasell
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To: justin_mjn

Why on earth would you pay people to such a movie? Weren't there any decent movies that seemed interesting? Narnia? Kong? Pride and Prejudice?

353 posted on 12/19/2005 9:29:25 AM PST by dangus
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To: dangus

Of course, since it's about 2 gay cowboys, it's garnered umpteen golden globe nominations already. Nothing else has been mentioned as nominated for anything.

Guess they are trying to push this junk on the American public and they aren't buying.

I don't plan on seeing this movie in the theatre, or ever ever rent it.

354 posted on 12/19/2005 10:11:32 AM PST by 3catsanadog (When anything goes, everything does.)
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To: dangus

Original Kong: Beast fell for the Beauty.

New Kong: Beauty pines for the Beast.

While I'm sure the effects are stunning, I lay dollars to doughnuts the original story was far superior.

355 posted on 12/19/2005 10:13:43 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: andyk

And where do they herd their sheep - in Wyoming? Where men are men and sheep are nervous.

356 posted on 12/19/2005 10:13:53 AM PST by 3catsanadog (When anything goes, everything does.)
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To: WaterDragon

The movie was fine. It just left out a lot. Considering it was a LONG movie, that had to happen.

357 posted on 12/19/2005 10:20:50 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: durasell
Heath Ledger already has another movie -- Casanova -- coming out.

I had some slight interest in seeing Casanova. When I heard that the actor was one of the leads in 'Bareback' Mountain, I lost all interest. It will sting, at least for a while.

358 posted on 12/19/2005 10:42:07 AM PST by NathanR (Apri moi, le deluge.)
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To: NathanR

There's really no way to do Casanova on the screen. Fellini tried and got fouled up. If you want to know more about the guy, read portions of History of My Life (Willard Trask translation).

359 posted on 12/19/2005 10:54:15 AM PST by durasell
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To: 3catsanadog; NathanR
This is an excerpt from the review about this movie:
Once, the camera keeps staring as kisses give way to anal sex. (There's no nudity shown, but the sequence is explicit; it includes sexual motions and sounds.)

I will not see this film either and after reading this review I consider this movie to be a horrifying sex show. Actors Heath Ledger and Jake Gyllenhaal have lost my confidence of ever seeing them in a movie after the immoral acting display they did in this movie.

360 posted on 12/19/2005 11:00:01 AM PST by bulldozer
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To: FastCoyote
Nothing more appealing to American men than gay cowboys, for sure

Only if they are eating pudding.

361 posted on 12/19/2005 11:07:04 AM PST by commish (Freedom Tastes Sweetest to Those Who Have Fought to Preserve It)
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To: bulldozer

Thanks for warning people about the anal sex scene, lest they be lured to this movie by the secular reviews.

362 posted on 12/19/2005 12:39:03 PM PST by Palladin (Merry Christmas! God bless us, every one!)
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To: dangus
It doesn't matter if it's in arthouse theaters or not, $11,000 per theater is a good average, especially for a non-kid-friendly film. It's nearly what King Kong did, and most successful films of this sort do not do as well on opening weekend.

And actually, even if it wasn't a good average, whomever posed this thread jumped the gun, because the average over the weekend grew to $34 thousand per theater, which is insanely good.

Although I do admit, the average being that high does mean you are right that most of them probably arn't art-house theaters.

Conservatives really need to stop being so insanely narrow when it comes to art. You don't have to think 'Piss Christ' is a great work of art to have tastes that are bigger then movies about Jesus or Harry Potter, and just because you like strange art films and poetry readings doesn't mean that those same people want government in their pocket and that they don't want the country defended against radical islam. The fact that people are rallying, in vain I may add, against this movie merely because it's about gay people is insanely stupid. We alienate a big chunk of libertarian-leaning types in artistic communities because of crap like this.

363 posted on 12/19/2005 12:52:40 PM PST by zbigreddogz
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To: dangus

I don't get it. A gay cowboy movie? Who wouldn't that appeal to?

On the other hand, a modern, technically sophisticated remake of King Kong by the guy who did LOTR? Who wouldn't that appeal to?

364 posted on 12/19/2005 1:02:52 PM PST by swain_forkbeard (Rationality may not be sufficient, but it is necessary.)
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To: Lady Heron

Well, I'm a libertarian leaning conservative. If that is unacceptable, I guess I should probably leave. I don't think gays have the right to have us sanction their marrages, but I don't give a rat crap if they have movies made about them. I also have gay friends. I don't agree with their lifestyle, and if I ever thought they wanted my opinion, I'd give it to them, but I'm not their mother or their judge.

And yes, you are right that a moral decline will eventually lead to a lack of freedom, but if a movie about gay cowboys is your main concern as far as a lack of morality in society, you have seriously warped priorities.

365 posted on 12/19/2005 1:07:31 PM PST by zbigreddogz
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To: zbigreddogz
And yes, you are right that a moral decline will eventually lead to a lack of freedom, but if a movie about gay cowboys is your main concern as far as a lack of morality in society, you have seriously warped priorities.

LOL! No, it is not my main concern it just highlights just one more little slide down the slope and I will in no way support it or condone it. My priorities and morals are as warped as our founders were...

366 posted on 12/19/2005 1:23:43 PM PST by Lady Heron
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To: zbigreddogz
It's not about gay cowboys. It's about gay sheepherders. Where I come from that's a big difference.

I can't think of a single gay cowboy. Sheepherders have a particular smell. I can't speak for there proclivities, perverse or otherwise.

367 posted on 12/19/2005 1:36:31 PM PST by grammarman
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To: durasell

"If it wasn't an allegory, then it either wasn't intended to a have religious theme or Christ really was a lion."

Isn't the the best authority on this point Lewis himself?
Lewis always denied Narnia was an allegory.
Lewis differentiates allegory from something he calls supposal. In a December 1959 letter to a young girl named Sophia Storr, he explains the difference. He wrote to Sophia: "I don't say. 'Let us represent Christ as Aslan.' I say, 'Supposing there was a world like Narnia, and supposing, like ours, it needed redemption, let us imagine what sort of Incarnation and Passion and Resurrection Christ would have there.'"
According to Lewis, Aslan isn't an allegory of Jesus Christ. He's a supposal. Lewis makes the point in a December 1958 letter to another correspondent, a Mrs. Hook:
"[Aslan] is an invention giving an imaginary answer to the question 'What might Christ become like if there really were a world like Narnia and He chose to be incarnate and die and rise again in that world as He actually has done in ours?' This is not allegory at all."
In an allegory, the ideas, concepts, and even people being expressed are true, but the characters are make-believe & always behave in a way reflective of the underlying concepts they're representing. In a "supposal" the fictional character becomes "real" within the imaginary world, taking on a life of its own and adapting to the make-believe world as necessary. If, for example, you accept the supposal of Aslan as true, then Lewis says,
"He would really have been a physical object in that world as He was in Palestine, and His death on the Stone Table would have been a physical event no less than his death on Calvary."

368 posted on 12/19/2005 1:40:06 PM PST by EdJay
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To: Lady Heron

My point was, that opposing a movie like this is a little like telling a sick kid to stop sneezing. His sneezing isn't the problem, but what's causing him to sneeze. Until then, its rediculous to attack him for sneezing.

369 posted on 12/19/2005 1:46:08 PM PST by zbigreddogz
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To: dangus

That's what they get for making a movie only to which 3% of the population can relate. Honestly, I don't know ANYONE with the exception of the my one gay relative, who would care to see this movie...even if they support "the cause", watching it play out in full-screen Cinema-sized images is not anything that interests normal heterosexuals.

370 posted on 12/19/2005 1:51:38 PM PST by I'm ALL Right! (ENDOFTHESPEAR.COM "He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose.")
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372 posted on 12/26/2005 3:35:42 PM PST by chilepepper (The map is not the territory -- Alfred Korzybski)
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To: thoughtful2005
"While many members of this board think that gays are odd, subject of ridicule, school yard humor etc., it is good to remember that for a growing part of the demographic (particularly 15-30) that is just not the case. The fact that a friend is gay is somewhat interesting perhaps but pretty much so-what with a lot of this age group."

In other words...the yahoos lost and you good guys have won the minds of the young.


"My wife and I are going to see it. I don't happen to be gay."

Got it, you're not queer and you have a wife.


"The fact that the made such a good peice of work (techically and actistically)"

But you (and your wife, can't forget her) haven't seen it yet.


" Personally as a conservative capitalist I am glad to see this........They will be making a very nice profit off this which as a conservative capitalist I think is a proper reward for such excellent work and business execution."

Got it, you're one of us, a Conservative Capitalist (said it twice so it must be so) and as such you applaud the fact that it might make a profit and to hell with the cultural message. You must really love porn - micro budgets with huge profits.

So basically you're just a typical non-gay Conservative Capitalist (times two) with a wife who really likes this film although you haven't seen it yet, who is really glad that it will (maybe) turn a profit and who signed up today just to let us know this.

373 posted on 12/26/2005 3:58:16 PM PST by wtc911 (see my profile for how to contribute to a pentagon heroes fund)
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To: Lady Heron

see 371 and 373 down the thread for real moral equivication (and reply)

374 posted on 12/26/2005 4:00:21 PM PST by wtc911 (see my profile for how to contribute to a pentagon heroes fund)
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To: Southernman10

Yes, but more importantly yrs trly nailed a slick troll on this thread an hour ago....five hunting days left in 2005.

377 posted on 12/26/2005 5:22:07 PM PST by wtc911 (see my profile for how to contribute to a pentagon heroes fund)
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To: dangus

I went to see Narnia with the family today. The film is on two screens at the multiplex. Each showing sold out 30-40 minutes before it began. Kong played to half-empty theaters.

379 posted on 12/26/2005 5:31:48 PM PST by No Truce With Kings (The opinions expressed are mine! Mine! MINE! All Mine!)
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To: TCats

Because, you know, most "family-friendly" movies are rated R for adult situations. I can't wait for that new animated one set in a strip club.

381 posted on 01/19/2006 3:41:08 PM PST by Vesiya
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To: Always Right
That's what the people who don't know the fangirls think. And hey, the fan-fiction is pre-written!
382 posted on 01/19/2006 3:44:24 PM PST by Vesiya
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To: dangus

Society 1, Perverts 0

383 posted on 01/19/2006 3:45:55 PM PST by DoNotDivide (Ask the Lord to make Himself real to you and receive His love today, while you still can!)
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To: Siegfried The Red
The Witchcraft of the Narnia Chronicles

I am writing this urgent message because very soon our children here in the United States and elsewhere in the world are going to experience a bewitching and a deceptive occult indoctrination. On December 9th, 2005, a new Disney movie will be released entitled “The Chronicles of Narnia.” The movie is based on the book by C.S. Lewis entitled The Chronicles of Narnia; The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe. It is a sad fact that mainstream “Christianity” esteems C.S. Lewis as a great “Christian” author and his writings as edifying with profound themes of “Christian” teachings. The C.S. Lewis books can be found in “Christian” bookstores everywhere, and even Dr. James Dobson’s Focus on the Family organization is offering and promoting the works of C.S. Lewis. These same books, however, can also be found in occult bookstores everywhere!

As a former witch, astrologer, and occultist who has been saved by the grace of God, I know that the works of C.S. Lewis are required reading by neophyte witches, especially in the United States and England. This includes The Chronicles of Narnia, because it teaches neophyte, or new witches, the basic mindset of the craft. Isn’t it strange, though, that many “Christian” churches and organizations have used The Chronicles of Narnia as Sunday School curriculum?

When I saw the release date of this new movie, I was not surprised. December 9th is the 13th day before the witches’ quarter-sabat of Yule. The full cold moon is midway between the release date and the sabat of Yule. The waxing moon is also directly on the equinox on the release date of the movie. This is far too precisely occultic to be coincidental, and the producers of the movie no doubt consulted upper-level witches regarding the perfect day to have the “Chronicles of Narnia” open.

The author of The Chronicles of Narnia, Clive Staples Lewis, was a professor at Oxford University in England where he was supposedly converted to “Christianity” by another Oxford professor named J.R.R. Tolkien. Tolkien and Lewis would often sit together at a local pub or tavern and converse about their beliefs in the creatures and the activities of the middle earth, a strange realm of a little people and magical powers. Tolkien often referred to Lewis as a “reluctant Christian.” Tolkien, though, was a Roman Catholic in doctrine and found his religion to be perfectly compatible with magic and the world of hobbits and elves.

The story of the Narnian Chronicle known as The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe is one of clandestine occult mysticism and is not Sunday School material unless your Sunday School is a defacto witch coven. The story involves a child from the normal everyday or mundane world. This girl, Lucy, who hides in a wardrobe as she is playing a game, suddenly finds herself transported to another world very unlike her own. It is a world of intelligent, talking animals and strange creatures. The little girl soon finds herself having tea with a faun. In witchcraft and ancient Roman pagan mythology, a faun is any of a group of rural deities, which have the bodies of men and the horns, ears, tails, and legs of a goat. The Roman god Faunus was also the god of nature and fertility and was connected to sexual lust. Here let it be noted that in the Narnian Chronicle Prince Caspian, this same strange land the little girl finds herself in is also populated by gods and goddesses; such as Bacchus, the god of drunken orgies, and the Maenads, who were frenzied women driven to madness in the orgiastic cult of Bacchus.

The main character of the book is a lion named Aslan, which is the Turkish word for lion. Aslan the lion is the character that “Christian” teachers say is the Christ figure, but witches know him to be Lucifer. The lion, Aslan, appears in all seven of the books of The Chronicles of Narnia. The following are quotes regarding Aslan the lion:

“At the name of Aslan, Lucy got the feeling you get when you wake in the morning and realize it is the beginning of spring.”

“When he bares his teeth, winter meets its death; and when he shakes his mane, we shall have spring again.”

“He’ll be coming and going; one day you’ll see him and another you won’t.”

“It was a lion, huge, shaggy; and bright it stood facing the rising sun.”

“Aslan swings his head around scattering golden gleams of light as he does so.”

Remember, Aslan the lion is esteemed to be the “Christ figure” by so many “Christian” teachers, but with that in mind, consider the following quotes from The Chronicles of Narnia.

“The crowd and dance round Aslan (for it had become a dance once more) grew so thick and rapid that Lucy was confused. She never saw where certain other people came from who were soon capering among the trees. One was a youth, dressed only in a fawn skin, with vine leaves wreathed in his curly hair. His face would have been almost too pretty for a boy’s, if it had not looked so extremely wild. You felt, as Edmund said when he saw him a few days later, ‘There’s a chap who might do anything, absolutely anything.’ He seemed to have a great many names – Bromios, Bassareus, and the Ram were three of them. There were a lot of girls with him, as wild as he. There was even, unexpectedly, someone on a donkey. And everybody was laughing: and everyone was shouting out, ‘EUAN, EUAN, EU-oi-oi-oi.’”

Those strange words EUAN, EUAN, EU-oi-oi-oi are an ancient witches’ chant used to invoke the power and presence of the god of drunkenness and addiction, who is named Bacchus. But wait, as the story goes on, it gets worse as the witchcraft increases and becomes more obvious. Consider the following: “‘What is it Aslan?’ said Lucy, her eyes dancing and her feet wanting to dance. ‘Come children’, said he. ‘Ride on my back today.’ ‘Oh lovely!’ cried Lucy, and both girls climbed on to the warm golden back as they had done no one knew how many years before. Then the whole party moved off – Aslan leading. Bacchus and his Maenads leaping, rushing and turning somersaults, the beasts brushing round them, and Silenus and his donkey bringing up the rear… Then three or four Red Dwarfs came forward with their tinder boxes and set light to the pile, which first crackled, and then blazed, and finally roared as a woodland bonfire on midsummer night ought to do. And every-one sat down in a wide circle around it. Then Bacchus and Silenus and the Maenads began a dance, far wilder than the dance of the trees, not merely a dance for fun and beauty (though it was that too), but a magic dance of plenty, and where their hands touched, and where their feet fell, the feast came into existence. Sides of roasted meat that filled the grove with delicious smell, and wheaten cakes and oaten cakes…”

The above is clearly a description of a witches’ sabat of Midsummer or the Summer Solstice, and it is described as such in perfect detail. Certainly by now enough is known to denounce this work as satanic and antichrist.

Was Clive Staples Lewis a Christian or a blasphemer? In his book The World’s Last Night and Other Essays on pages 98-99, Lewis said, “Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place… certainly the most embarrassing verse in the Bible.The one exhibition of error and the one confession of ignorance grow side by side. That they stood thus in the mouth of Jesus himself and were not merely placed thus by the reporter, we surely need not doubt… The facts, then, are these: that Jesus professed himself (in some sense) ignorant, and within a moment showed that he really was so.”

Lewis also said in Reflections on the Psalms, page 129, “… as I believe, Christ… fulfilled both paganism and Judaism.” Lewis was also quoted in a biography as follows: “I had some ado to prevent joy and myself from relapsing into paganism in Attica! At Daphni it was hard not to pray to Apollo the Healer. But somehow one didn’t feel it would have been very wrong – would have only been addressing Christ sub-species Apollinis.”

In closing this urgent message, I pray that our true and dear Lord Jesus Christ will have mercy on the deceived and sleeping remnant, and that they will come fully awake and rise up against this subtle attack of Satan. The apostle Paul warned us in II Corinthians 11:14-15 as follows: “And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteous-ness; whose end shall be according to their works.” May God help us all, and may he especially protect our children from witch-craft in the churches is my prayer.

Pastor David J. Meyer

Published By:
Last Trumpet Ministries
PO Box 806
Beaver Dam, WI 53916

384 posted on 01/19/2006 4:18:50 PM PST by handk (The truth is the truth even if no one believes it, and a lie is a lie even if everyone believes it.)
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To: DoNotDivide

Well, bad news... The various awards have made a minor hit out of BM.

385 posted on 01/20/2006 5:58:33 AM PST by dangus
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To: dangus

I saw the press 'pumping it' yesterday.

Still not impressed, nor I expect much repeat or referral
business, but who knows.

386 posted on 01/20/2006 3:53:38 PM PST by DoNotDivide (Ask the Lord to make Himself real to you and receive His love today, while you still can!)
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To: dangus

By the way, when the press 'pumped it', they ran shorts from the sleezy movie that were all hetro. All romance,
love, cowboys hugging their children and resting in their wives' laps.

Not a scintilla of the rump-ranger-pole-smoker stuff.

387 posted on 01/20/2006 3:55:26 PM PST by DoNotDivide (Ask the Lord to make Himself real to you and receive His love today, while you still can!)
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To: dangus
King Kong also appears to be a flop.

I think I know the story. I've seen the two previous versions.

388 posted on 01/20/2006 3:58:02 PM PST by JoeGar
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