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Posted on 12/17/2005 11:10:22 AM PST by dangus
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Larry McMurtry doesn't need the money. And by all accounts doesn't care much for money.
On the other hand, he's fascinated by the cowboy genre, both traditional (Lonesome Dove) and updated (Horseman, Pass by (Hud), The Last Picture Show, etc.).
Why on earth would you pay people to such a movie? Weren't there any decent movies that seemed interesting? Narnia? Kong? Pride and Prejudice?
Of course, since it's about 2 gay cowboys, it's garnered umpteen golden globe nominations already. Nothing else has been mentioned as nominated for anything.
Guess they are trying to push this junk on the American public and they aren't buying.
I don't plan on seeing this movie in the theatre, or ever ever rent it.
Original Kong: Beast fell for the Beauty.
New Kong: Beauty pines for the Beast.
While I'm sure the effects are stunning, I lay dollars to doughnuts the original story was far superior.
And where do they herd their sheep - in Wyoming? Where men are men and sheep are nervous.
The movie was fine. It just left out a lot. Considering it was a LONG movie, that had to happen.
I had some slight interest in seeing Casanova. When I heard that the actor was one of the leads in 'Bareback' Mountain, I lost all interest. It will sting, at least for a while.
There's really no way to do Casanova on the screen. Fellini tried and got fouled up. If you want to know more about the guy, read portions of History of My Life (Willard Trask translation).
I will not see this film either and after reading this review I consider this movie to be a horrifying sex show. Actors Heath Ledger and Jake Gyllenhaal have lost my confidence of ever seeing them in a movie after the immoral acting display they did in this movie.
Only if they are eating pudding.
Thanks for warning people about the anal sex scene, lest they be lured to this movie by the secular reviews.
And actually, even if it wasn't a good average, whomever posed this thread jumped the gun, because the average over the weekend grew to $34 thousand per theater, which is insanely good.
Although I do admit, the average being that high does mean you are right that most of them probably arn't art-house theaters.
Conservatives really need to stop being so insanely narrow when it comes to art. You don't have to think 'Piss Christ' is a great work of art to have tastes that are bigger then movies about Jesus or Harry Potter, and just because you like strange art films and poetry readings doesn't mean that those same people want government in their pocket and that they don't want the country defended against radical islam. The fact that people are rallying, in vain I may add, against this movie merely because it's about gay people is insanely stupid. We alienate a big chunk of libertarian-leaning types in artistic communities because of crap like this.
I don't get it. A gay cowboy movie? Who wouldn't that appeal to?
On the other hand, a modern, technically sophisticated remake of King Kong by the guy who did LOTR? Who wouldn't that appeal to?
Well, I'm a libertarian leaning conservative. If that is unacceptable, I guess I should probably leave. I don't think gays have the right to have us sanction their marrages, but I don't give a rat crap if they have movies made about them. I also have gay friends. I don't agree with their lifestyle, and if I ever thought they wanted my opinion, I'd give it to them, but I'm not their mother or their judge.
And yes, you are right that a moral decline will eventually lead to a lack of freedom, but if a movie about gay cowboys is your main concern as far as a lack of morality in society, you have seriously warped priorities.
LOL! No, it is not my main concern it just highlights just one more little slide down the slope and I will in no way support it or condone it. My priorities and morals are as warped as our founders were...
I can't think of a single gay cowboy. Sheepherders have a particular smell. I can't speak for there proclivities, perverse or otherwise.
"If it wasn't an allegory, then it either wasn't intended to a have religious theme or Christ really was a lion."
Isn't the the best authority on this point Lewis himself?
Lewis always denied Narnia was an allegory.
Lewis differentiates allegory from something he calls supposal. In a December 1959 letter to a young girl named Sophia Storr, he explains the difference. He wrote to Sophia: "I don't say. 'Let us represent Christ as Aslan.' I say, 'Supposing there was a world like Narnia, and supposing, like ours, it needed redemption, let us imagine what sort of Incarnation and Passion and Resurrection Christ would have there.'"
According to Lewis, Aslan isn't an allegory of Jesus Christ. He's a supposal. Lewis makes the point in a December 1958 letter to another correspondent, a Mrs. Hook:
"[Aslan] is an invention giving an imaginary answer to the question 'What might Christ become like if there really were a world like Narnia and He chose to be incarnate and die and rise again in that world as He actually has done in ours?' This is not allegory at all."
In an allegory, the ideas, concepts, and even people being expressed are true, but the characters are make-believe & always behave in a way reflective of the underlying concepts they're representing. In a "supposal" the fictional character becomes "real" within the imaginary world, taking on a life of its own and adapting to the make-believe world as necessary. If, for example, you accept the supposal of Aslan as true, then Lewis says,
"He would really have been a physical object in that world as He was in Palestine, and His death on the Stone Table would have been a physical event no less than his death on Calvary."
My point was, that opposing a movie like this is a little like telling a sick kid to stop sneezing. His sneezing isn't the problem, but what's causing him to sneeze. Until then, its rediculous to attack him for sneezing.
That's what they get for making a movie only to which 3% of the population can relate. Honestly, I don't know ANYONE with the exception of the my one gay relative, who would care to see this movie...even if they support "the cause", watching it play out in full-screen Cinema-sized images is not anything that interests normal heterosexuals.
In other words...the yahoos lost and you good guys have won the minds of the young.
"My wife and I are going to see it. I don't happen to be gay."
Got it, you're not queer and you have a wife.
"The fact that the made such a good peice of work (techically and actistically)"
But you (and your wife, can't forget her) haven't seen it yet.
" Personally as a conservative capitalist I am glad to see this........They will be making a very nice profit off this which as a conservative capitalist I think is a proper reward for such excellent work and business execution."
Got it, you're one of us, a Conservative Capitalist (said it twice so it must be so) and as such you applaud the fact that it might make a profit and to hell with the cultural message. You must really love porn - micro budgets with huge profits.
So basically you're just a typical non-gay Conservative Capitalist (times two) with a wife who really likes this film although you haven't seen it yet, who is really glad that it will (maybe) turn a profit and who signed up today just to let us know this.
see 371 and 373 down the thread for real moral equivication (and reply)
Yes, but more importantly yrs trly nailed a slick troll on this thread an hour ago....five hunting days left in 2005.
I went to see Narnia with the family today. The film is on two screens at the multiplex. Each showing sold out 30-40 minutes before it began. Kong played to half-empty theaters.
Because, you know, most "family-friendly" movies are rated R for adult situations. I can't wait for that new animated one set in a strip club.
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I am writing this urgent message because very soon our children here in the United States and elsewhere in the world are going to experience a bewitching and a deceptive occult indoctrination. On December 9th, 2005, a new Disney movie will be released entitled The Chronicles of Narnia. The movie is based on the book by C.S. Lewis entitled The Chronicles of Narnia; The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe. It is a sad fact that mainstream Christianity esteems C.S. Lewis as a great Christian author and his writings as edifying with profound themes of Christian teachings. The C.S. Lewis books can be found in Christian bookstores everywhere, and even Dr. James Dobsons Focus on the Family organization is offering and promoting the works of C.S. Lewis. These same books, however, can also be found in occult bookstores everywhere!
As a former witch, astrologer, and occultist who has been saved by the grace of God, I know that the works of C.S. Lewis are required reading by neophyte witches, especially in the United States and England. This includes The Chronicles of Narnia, because it teaches neophyte, or new witches, the basic mindset of the craft. Isnt it strange, though, that many Christian churches and organizations have used The Chronicles of Narnia as Sunday School curriculum?
When I saw the release date of this new movie, I was not surprised. December 9th is the 13th day before the witches quarter-sabat of Yule. The full cold moon is midway between the release date and the sabat of Yule. The waxing moon is also directly on the equinox on the release date of the movie. This is far too precisely occultic to be coincidental, and the producers of the movie no doubt consulted upper-level witches regarding the perfect day to have the Chronicles of Narnia open.
The author of The Chronicles of Narnia, Clive Staples Lewis, was a professor at Oxford University in England where he was supposedly converted to Christianity by another Oxford professor named J.R.R. Tolkien. Tolkien and Lewis would often sit together at a local pub or tavern and converse about their beliefs in the creatures and the activities of the middle earth, a strange realm of a little people and magical powers. Tolkien often referred to Lewis as a reluctant Christian. Tolkien, though, was a Roman Catholic in doctrine and found his religion to be perfectly compatible with magic and the world of hobbits and elves.
The story of the Narnian Chronicle known as The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe is one of clandestine occult mysticism and is not Sunday School material unless your Sunday School is a defacto witch coven. The story involves a child from the normal everyday or mundane world. This girl, Lucy, who hides in a wardrobe as she is playing a game, suddenly finds herself transported to another world very unlike her own. It is a world of intelligent, talking animals and strange creatures. The little girl soon finds herself having tea with a faun. In witchcraft and ancient Roman pagan mythology, a faun is any of a group of rural deities, which have the bodies of men and the horns, ears, tails, and legs of a goat. The Roman god Faunus was also the god of nature and fertility and was connected to sexual lust. Here let it be noted that in the Narnian Chronicle Prince Caspian, this same strange land the little girl finds herself in is also populated by gods and goddesses; such as Bacchus, the god of drunken orgies, and the Maenads, who were frenzied women driven to madness in the orgiastic cult of Bacchus.
The main character of the book is a lion named Aslan, which is the Turkish word for lion. Aslan the lion is the character that Christian teachers say is the Christ figure, but witches know him to be Lucifer. The lion, Aslan, appears in all seven of the books of The Chronicles of Narnia. The following are quotes regarding Aslan the lion:
At the name of Aslan, Lucy got the feeling you get when you wake in the morning and realize it is the beginning of spring.
When he bares his teeth, winter meets its death; and when he shakes his mane, we shall have spring again.
Hell be coming and going; one day youll see him and another you wont.
It was a lion, huge, shaggy; and bright it stood facing the rising sun.
Aslan swings his head around scattering golden gleams of light as he does so.
Remember, Aslan the lion is esteemed to be the Christ figure by so many Christian teachers, but with that in mind, consider the following quotes from The Chronicles of Narnia.
The crowd and dance round Aslan (for it had become a dance once more) grew so thick and rapid that Lucy was confused. She never saw where certain other people came from who were soon capering among the trees. One was a youth, dressed only in a fawn skin, with vine leaves wreathed in his curly hair. His face would have been almost too pretty for a boys, if it had not looked so extremely wild. You felt, as Edmund said when he saw him a few days later, Theres a chap who might do anything, absolutely anything. He seemed to have a great many names Bromios, Bassareus, and the Ram were three of them. There were a lot of girls with him, as wild as he. There was even, unexpectedly, someone on a donkey. And everybody was laughing: and everyone was shouting out, EUAN, EUAN, EU-oi-oi-oi.
Those strange words EUAN, EUAN, EU-oi-oi-oi are an ancient witches chant used to invoke the power and presence of the god of drunkenness and addiction, who is named Bacchus. But wait, as the story goes on, it gets worse as the witchcraft increases and becomes more obvious. Consider the following: What is it Aslan? said Lucy, her eyes dancing and her feet wanting to dance. Come children, said he. Ride on my back today. Oh lovely! cried Lucy, and both girls climbed on to the warm golden back as they had done no one knew how many years before. Then the whole party moved off Aslan leading. Bacchus and his Maenads leaping, rushing and turning somersaults, the beasts brushing round them, and Silenus and his donkey bringing up the rear Then three or four Red Dwarfs came forward with their tinder boxes and set light to the pile, which first crackled, and then blazed, and finally roared as a woodland bonfire on midsummer night ought to do. And every-one sat down in a wide circle around it. Then Bacchus and Silenus and the Maenads began a dance, far wilder than the dance of the trees, not merely a dance for fun and beauty (though it was that too), but a magic dance of plenty, and where their hands touched, and where their feet fell, the feast came into existence. Sides of roasted meat that filled the grove with delicious smell, and wheaten cakes and oaten cakes
The above is clearly a description of a witches sabat of Midsummer or the Summer Solstice, and it is described as such in perfect detail. Certainly by now enough is known to denounce this work as satanic and antichrist.
Was Clive Staples Lewis a Christian or a blasphemer? In his book The Worlds Last Night and Other Essays on pages 98-99, Lewis said, Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place certainly the most embarrassing verse in the Bible.The one exhibition of error and the one confession of ignorance grow side by side. That they stood thus in the mouth of Jesus himself and were not merely placed thus by the reporter, we surely need not doubt The facts, then, are these: that Jesus professed himself (in some sense) ignorant, and within a moment showed that he really was so.
Lewis also said in Reflections on the Psalms, page 129, as I believe, Christ fulfilled both paganism and Judaism. Lewis was also quoted in a biography as follows: I had some ado to prevent joy and myself from relapsing into paganism in Attica! At Daphni it was hard not to pray to Apollo the Healer. But somehow one didnt feel it would have been very wrong would have only been addressing Christ sub-species Apollinis.
In closing this urgent message, I pray that our true and dear Lord Jesus Christ will have mercy on the deceived and sleeping remnant, and that they will come fully awake and rise up against this subtle attack of Satan. The apostle Paul warned us in II Corinthians 11:14-15 as follows: And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteous-ness; whose end shall be according to their works. May God help us all, and may he especially protect our children from witch-craft in the churches is my prayer.
Pastor David J. Meyer
Last Trumpet Ministries
PO Box 806
Beaver Dam, WI 53916
Well, bad news... The various awards have made a minor hit out of BM.
I saw the press 'pumping it' yesterday.
Still not impressed, nor I expect much repeat or referral
business, but who knows.
By the way, when the press 'pumped it', they ran shorts from the sleezy movie that were all hetro. All romance,
love, cowboys hugging their children and resting in their wives' laps.
Not a scintilla of the rump-ranger-pole-smoker stuff.
I think I know the story. I've seen the two previous versions.