Posted on 12/17/2005 11:35:47 AM PST by SDGOP
I can't post the actual pdf, but i'll try to summarize some of the stuff. If the moderators know whether or not i can do this please let me know(i know you have to pay to get into national journal(or if your cheap like me just go to a school library to access it for free)
Republicans 2008 Insiders Rank
|
Rank |
Name |
Points |
Previous Points(April 30) |
First Place Votes |
Second Place Votes |
|
1 |
George Allen |
365 |
269 |
39 |
22 |
|
2 |
John Mccain |
337 |
255 |
38 |
22 |
|
3(Rising in rank)(previous rank 4) |
Mitt Romney |
168 |
128 |
4 |
6 |
|
4 |
Rudy Guiliani |
149 |
152 |
7 |
9 |
|
5(Crashing and burning)(previous rank 3) |
Bill Frist |
93 |
216 |
1 |
13 |
|
6 |
Haley Barbour |
92 |
109 |
0 |
7 |
|
7(previous rank 8) |
Condoleezza Rice |
61 |
66 |
4 |
4 |
|
8(previous rank 10) |
George Pataki |
39 |
40 |
2 |
2 |
|
9(previous rank 11) |
Newt Gingrich |
37 |
36 |
0 |
0 |
|
10(Previous rank 9) |
Chuck Hagel |
35 |
42 |
1 |
4 |
I'm too lazy to type up a table for the democrats but here's their basic results
1. Hillary
2. Mark Warner
3. John Edwards
4. Evan Bayh
5. Tom Vilsack
6. The dumbest man in the senate
7. Bill Richardson
8. John Kerry
9. Al Gore
10. Wesley Clark
Some points to make, Mccain and Allen retain their first and second place position, but since april 30th they have solidified their positions and are far ahead of their nearest competition(both have double of what romney and rudy have). Frist has crashed and burned, he was right on mccain and allen's tail before but now.. well.. Rudy has stayed at about the same place. it should be noted that almost all of the people who voted for rudy as first place, voted for mccain for second place.
Ping time
Joe Biden. Do I get a prize?
Kennedy isn't running, is he? C'mon, give me a hint, there's so many to choose from, and Rangel isn't a Senator...
You've already two of my other suggestions listed, no fair.
You get the satisfaction of knowing your the first winner.
The comments made by alot of the mccain people in this poll are that, if bush looks like hes crashing in burning in 2008 he's the only republican who can stop hillary. It's funny b/c one of the mccain people accuse rudy of being unelectable.
Joe Biden??
Somehow, getting satisfaction from mentioning the name of Joe Biden is not possible, if you know what I mean!
Sen. Allen Squishy on Immigration Reform
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1541605/posts
Hunter Promotes Fence, Allen Sits on It
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1542238/posts#4
Nice to see the pence fanatics coming back in to try and steal allen's thunder. Stellar dendrite that article is a hit piece written by a hack at human events. LOok at the context of the article and read my posts #41 and #42. Allen is not squishy on immigration and hes not sitting on the fence, that hack writer put those titles to mislead people into thinking he's something hes not. Read the actual interview and no where does he sit on the fence or appear squishy.
Radio Hosts, Citizens Flood Washington on Immigration (George Allen On Illegal Immigration)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1404954/posts
2008 Contender Senator George Allen's Comments On Illegal Immigration
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1395383/posts
Do your homework stellar, you people are so giddy to take him down you can't do it legitimately.
Where's comrade Feingold?
Barbour needs to move up, McCain and Romney need to disappear.
Give me dunces from Delaware for 200pts.
Sheesh, I was gonna guess the D student until I saw him at #8.
Don't be a sucker.
He asked the president to meet wih Mother Sheehan. What else do you need to know?
He asked her to meet with her before the whole drama ensued, he said that it woudlnt be wise to meet with her after the whole crawford protest hoopla started.
I dont see anything wrong meeting with sheehan the first time, she did loose her son, but to meet with her after all her barking moonbat ravings would be wrong and he did state, if you look at his whole statement.. not the excerpts some freepers post he said he woudlnt have met her after the barking moonbat phase she entered.
Lol, comrade feingold is 11th with 25 points.
He asked him to meet with her the SECOND time.
Allen is an appeaser. This is not the first time he's done this kind of thing.
Here are the people they asked, thought i'd post that list.
GOP CONGRESSIONAL INSIDERS:Sens. Lamar Alexander, George Allen, Jim Bunning, Conrad Burns, John Cornyn, Lindsey Graham, Johnny
Isakson, Mel Martinez, Olympia Snowe, John Sununu, John Thune; Reps. Sherwood Boehlert, John Boehner, Kevin Brady, Chris Cannon, Eric
Cantor, Michael Castle, Tom Cole, Tom Davis, John Doolittle, David Dreier, Phil English, Mark Foley, Bob Goodlatte, Melissa Hart, Doc Hastings,
J.D. Hayworth, Pete Hoekstra, Bobby Jindal, Peter King, Jack Kingston, Mark Kirk, Jim Kolbe, Ray LaHood, Dan Lungren, Kenny Marchant, Jim
McCrery, Patrick McHenry, Cathy McMorris, John Mica, Marilyn Musgrave, Sue Myrick, Mike Pence, Tom Price, Deborah Pryce, Adam Putnam,
Tom Reynolds, Mike Rogers of Michigan, Paul Ryan, Pete Sessions, Christopher Shays, John Sweeney, Zach Wamp, and Joe Wilson.
GOPPOLITICAL INSIDERS: Stan Anderson, Gary Andres, Rich Ashooh, Brett Bader, Mitch Bainwol, Gary Bauer, David Beckwith, Wayne
Berman, Charlie Black, Kirk Blalock, Jeff Boeyink, Jeff Buley, Nick Calio, Jim Cicconi, Jake Corman, Greg Crist, Diane Crookham-Johnson, Rick
Davis, Mike Dennehy, Ken Duberstein, Debi Durham, Frank Fahrenkopf, Don Fierce, Alex Gage, David Girard-diCarlo, Bill Greener, Lanny
Griffith, Janet Mullins Grissom, Doug Gross, Steve Hart, Ralph Hellmann, Chris Henick, Clark Judge, David Kensinger, Bob Kjellander, Ed Kutler,
Chris Lacivita, Jim Lake, Chuck Larson, Steve Lombardo, Joel Maiola, Mary Matalin, Dan Mattoon, Mark McKinnon, Kyle McSlarrow, Mike
Murphy, Neil Newhouse, David Norcross, Ziad Ojakli, Jack Oliver, Tony Perkins, Van B. Poole, Tom Rath, Scott Reed, David Rehr, Steve Roberts,
David Roederer, Ed Rogers, Tony Rudy, Dan Schnur, Russ Schriefer, Rich Schwarm, Rick Shelby, Don Sipple, Fred Steeper, Eric Tanenblatt,
Jay Timmons, Warren Tompkins, Dirk van Dongen, Jan van Lohuizen, Dick Wadhams, John Weaver, Dave Winston, and Ginny Wolfe.
Sorry to dissapoint you zarf, but your guy rudy is going to get laughed out of the primaries for his social liberalism and his XXX personal life. You've consistently bashed allen as a compromising appeaser when all you ever cite is the sheehan thing.
All you rudy fanatics can ever say is name one democrat who can beat rudy, everyone else sucks, they aren't as hardcore as rudy. Sorry, but the GOP base will not nominate a socially liberal adulterer. Bash allen all you want for his mistakes perceived or real, but doesn't make up for your guys deficiencies. 9/10/01 rudy was a joke and his career was over, come republcian primary time everyone will remember and all of his shennanigans and the voters will be reminded of this.
I still believe someone off the radar will be the Republican nominee...Huckabee for example.
Allen will be exposed. He's made of the clay that built Romney.
I'd take mccain over rudy, mccain may suck on a few things but hes more conservative than rudy is and nobody will dispute that. Huckabee is a joke, the guy rasied taxes talks about our christian duty to let illegals in... gives speeches to la raza. The guy had potential but he squandered it, last i checked cato gave the guy a D for a rating b/c of raising taxes and growth of government in arkansas.
McLame is a complete slime, who has disgraced the uniform he once wore. I used to be ashamed that I was 4-F in Vietnam, but if that's all wearing a uniform did for McLame, then I have nothing to be ashamed of.
Actually, you're the one who has it wrong.
He made his comments while doing his August around the state listening tour. At that time, I don't believe he knew that the President had already met with her. He said he would have met with her and that he wished the President would meet with her. That's true.
And he said that, for one reason, because he loves the open debate. He's one of the smartest people I've ever met and he relishes the discussion of all views, and then he'll tell you his view.
After Sheehan set up camp in Crawford and started making such a fool of herself, Allen revised those comments and basically said it would be pointless to meet with her.
Could these "insiders" vote for themselves? Or was Hagel's mother on the panel?
Allen supports the McCain "torture" bill - aka the AQ bill of rights. if Allen wanted to distinguish himself from McCain on this issue, he should have been on the other side.
May I suggest an edit?
...mccain may suck on a few things but hes more opportunistic than rudy is and nobody will dispute that.
Absolutely nobody!
If it's McCain vs Hillary, I'm slashing my wrists.
No GOP person running for president is going to vote against that bill, nobody wants to be seen as condoning torture. This is the reason even bush won't veto it.
Not before you slash mine first.
The man has long had a death wish and he's determined to take us all with him. Besides, he's way to cozy with Soros.
They can vote for themselves i beleive. I'd be curuios to know who voted for whom, to bad they wont release that.
I don't see either Hagel or his mother on the panel.
Thus, I conclude he bribed somebody.
LOL. The question is who..... Maybye Evan Bayh... him and evan bayh are best buddies, but i dont think bayh can vote for the gop nominee...
The more serious question is, which two clowns voted for pataki?
Nine RESPONSIBLE Senators voted in "favor of torture" as you define it. The reason the President won't VETO the damn bill is that Mccain attached it to a defense bill which funds our troops and 90 Senators is enough to override a VETO, ninety Senators voted for the amendment. If enough Republicans had shot it down the President would have had leverage against McCain.
Quite an argument you are making. because Allen doesn't want to have to defend not giving terrorists rights he should be President to lead the WOT against the terrorists? Pfft. The guy lacks a spine and floats with the finger in the air. Far as I'm concerned no Senator is qualified to be President. Unfortunately, we've got a damn weak field all across the board in '08.
Neither Giuliani or McCain has a hope for the Republican nomination. All this speculation is nothing more than liberals trying to put themselves in the driver's seat for the Republican primary.
Allen has a chance, but when it gets down to where rubber hits the road, everybody misses one thing - - Jeb Bush - - it is his for the taking if he wants it AND he will wipe the floor with anyone in the general election including another Clinton...
Bush v. Clinton: “We're not about to make that same mistake.”
No MCVAIN never ever
Can I borrow it? I need someone to give me a hand with something. I already have an arm and a leg.
Nice to see the pence fanatics coming back in to try and steal allen's thunder
Is that recom-pence?
Where's comrade Feingold?
Down in California under the delusion that it is 1848/1849.
"Allen is squishy perod."
What's a squishy perod? IS that a flexible motorized fishing reel??
she did loose her son'
Was she not holding on tight enough?
He's not an appeaser
But he doesn seem like he's in a pod.
If it's McCain vs Hillary, I'm slashing my wrists.
I got a new watch for you.
"The more serious question is, which two clowns voted for pataki?"
Bozo and Zippo. They happened to be in town for the night.
Dingy Harry Reid gets my vote.
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