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Ukrainian couple has 17th child, lays claim to largest US family
AP on Yahoo ^ | 12/17/05 | AFP

Posted on 12/17/2005 12:16:57 PM PST by NormsRevenge

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To: NormsRevenge
Pictured from left to right are: Dmitriy 18, Vitaliy 13, Anatoli 17, Andrey 19, mother Zynaida, father Vladimir, one week old David, Anna 15, Lyudmila 16, Oksana 12, Timofey 2, Lilya 21, Inna 9, Alina 4, Svetlana 10, Diana 5, Vyacheslav 8, and Pavel 6. Sergey, 22, is not pictured.
121 posted on 12/18/2005 12:26:13 PM PST by freepatriot32 (Holding you head high & voting Libertarian is better then holding your nose and voting republican)
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To: manwiththehands

No where in the article does it say that this Ukrainian family receives welfare.

The article states that the father works long hours at a laborious job. There is help from local businessmen and from the church.

The whole premise of the argument from some on this thread is that this family is living off welfare.

This is a canard that started with your post.


122 posted on 12/18/2005 12:26:14 PM PST by Palladin (Merry Christmas! God bless us, every one!)
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To: Palladin
since Emancipation Day.

Um no. Black families were very cohesive and struggling, but working hard & doing well till LBJ.

There are many, many white multigenerational welfare leeches. Travellers & Gypsies are quite famous for it. Or, go to a trailer park. I have also heard that virtually everyone in West Virginia was raised on WEC.

The fact remains that you are defending a family that has done nothing more than imitate clown cars, and that won't even learn English, for no other reason than their skin color.
123 posted on 12/18/2005 12:28:15 PM PST by Seamoth
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To: freepatriot32

Thanks for the beautiful picture of this lovely family!

I wish them all health, wealth, happiness, and success as they all work hard to give back to their adopted country in future years.


124 posted on 12/18/2005 12:35:41 PM PST by Palladin (Merry Christmas! God bless us, every one!)
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To: NormsRevenge

We had a Basque family at our catholic school. 17 kids. Parents owned a small dairy AND a small 20 passenger Mercedes bus.


125 posted on 12/18/2005 12:39:00 PM PST by bigsigh
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To: Seamoth
Here are some stats for you:

http://migration.ucdavis.edu/mn/more.php?id=1619_0_2_0

Poverty.

The 1996 welfare reforms and the economic boom have changed the demographic profile of welfare recipients: most US welfare recipients are racial and ethnic minorities. The share of Blacks on the welfare rolls is almost three times their share of US residents and the share of Hispanics in the welfare population is twice their share of US residents. The number of Black families receiving welfare now outnumbers whites and the Hispanic share of the rolls is growing the fastest. Black and Hispanic welfare recipients combined outnumber whites by about 2 to 1. In addition, the remaining caseload is increasingly concentrated in large cities.

The New York Times in July 1998 reported a survey of 15 welfare programs in 14 states and New York City that account for nearly 70 percent of US welfare recipients. In early 1997, Blacks accounted for 37 percent of welfare recipients, and 13 percent of US residents; Hispanics were 22 percent of recipients, and 11 percent of residents. Whites accounted for 35 percent of welfare recipients and 73 percent of US residents. Since peaking in 1994, the number of white families on welfare declined 25 percent, the number of Blacks families fell 17 percent, and the number of Hispanic families dropped nine percent.

126 posted on 12/18/2005 12:52:48 PM PST by Palladin (Merry Christmas! God bless us, every one!)
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To: NormsRevenge
It also helps to have a 15-seat mini-van..

If that's a mini-van I would hate to see a maxi-van

127 posted on 12/18/2005 1:10:49 PM PST by ValerieUSA
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To: netmilsmom

I am grateful to the school system where I grew up because they gave us the whole reproductive story, in layers, in mandatory classes, starting in fifth grade, again in junior high, senior high, and even in college. During that era, how to use condoms was not part of the curriculum, but they did discuss STD's.

My parents, for some bizarre reason they never explained, told the facts to my three older siblings but never told me (I listened at the door so I knew anyway). Their lack (probably forgetfulness) renders me even more grateful to the public schools. As for how to prepare me for marriage beyond the biology lessons, my mother had died before I got married so I had to learn these things on my own. All of this combined made me a much more involved parent when my son asked questions and when I knew I needed to tell him things he didn't ask about. But nevertheless, I didn't know everything he needed to know and was glad that the school filled in the gaps.


128 posted on 12/18/2005 2:24:14 PM PST by GretchenM (Hooked on porn and hating it? Visit http://www.theophostic.com .)
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To: babydoll22

Thanks for your post 83.


129 posted on 12/18/2005 4:10:19 PM PST by OldPossum
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To: Palladin

The article posted in post 17 clearly states that the family is on public assistance, so yes they are living off the taxpayers, even if he has a job as well. A janitor with seventeen children is going to pay zero taxes anyway.


130 posted on 12/18/2005 5:22:53 PM PST by LWalk18
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To: Palladin

What does that have to do with the price of tea in China? Whites are underrepresented in welfare, so it's OK for them to participate? Just when I thought you couldn't get more liberal, you come and support quotas.

Let's see.

Refusal to learn English even after years and years in this country.
Unskilled immigrants.
No remorse or gratitude for taking their welfare money.
No intention of ever changing their lifestyle.
Making baby after baby.

Typical Hispanic family, right? Dang these filthy leechers... huh... wait a minute... They're white so it's all A-OK! What a sweet handsome Christian family they are!

And people wonder why minorities don't vote conservative despite the vast majority of them holding conservative values?

This is my last post to you. We're not going to come to an agreement.


131 posted on 12/18/2005 8:02:09 PM PST by Seamoth
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To: OldPossum

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and yours.


132 posted on 12/19/2005 10:46:10 AM PST by babydoll22 (If you stop growing as a person you live in your own private hell.)
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