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Tancredo wins round 1 to build Mexico fence
WorldNetDaily ^ | December 17, 2005 | WorldNetDaily

Posted on 12/17/2005 2:21:08 PM PST by arnoldpalmerfan

INVASION USA Tancredo wins round 1 to build Mexico fence House passes new border controls, with eye on deportations next year

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted: December 17, 2005 1:00 a.m. Eastern

© 2005

Rep. Tom Tancredo WASHINGTON – It was a victory the once-obscure Colorado congressman savored yesterday.

When the House of Representatives passed a tough new border control bill last night, Republican Rep. Tom Tancredo was all smiles.

He led an often-lonely and sometimes seemingly hopeless fight not only against Democratic opponents but against his own party and his own president.

"Today, the House of Representatives passed a bill which strengthens our border security and begins to enforce immigration laws throughout the country," he said. "Over the last two days, reformers in the House have accomplished much: we have approved a security fence along our southern border, we have taken steps to end 'catch and release' nationwide, we have slashed funds to localities that shield illegal aliens, and we have gone after employers who attract illegal aliens to the U.S."

The House voted 239-182 to stem the tide of illegal immigration by taking steps to tighten border controls and stop unlawful immigrants from getting jobs. But lawmakers left for next year the tougher issue of what to do with between 11 million and 20 million illegal aliens already in the country.

The House legislation, billed as a border protection, anti-terrorism and illegal immigration control act, includes enlisting military and local law enforcement help in stopping illegal entrants and requiring employers to verify the legal status of their workers. It authorizes the building of a fence along parts of the U.S.-Mexico border.

One measure that Republican leaders wouldn't allow a vote on was a volatile proposal to deny citizenship to babies born in this country to illegal immigrants.

The issue next moves to the Senate, where Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., says he will bring up immigration legislation in February that will provide a framework for guest worker ideas that some see as amnesty for lawbreakers.

President Bush has proposed that illegal aliens be allowed to get three-year work visas. They could extend those for an additional three years, but would then have to return to their home countries for a year to apply for a new work permit.

The House bill would beef up border security with the help of local law enforcement and military technology, impose tougher penalties for smuggling and re-entry, and end the "catch and release" policy for illegal non-Mexicans. It makes drunken driving convictions a deportable offense.

The bill makes unlawful presence in the United States, currently a civil offense, a felony. An amendment to reduce the crime from a felony to a misdemeanor was defeated, with many Democrats voting against the proposal because they did not want to make it a criminal offense at all.

The House bill would also require all employers in the country to submit Social Security numbers and other information to a national database to verify the legal status of workers.

"Some said that we couldn't do it, that businesses are too addicted to illegal labor, that the problem is too complex for Congress to tackle," said Tancredo, the chairman of the 92-member House Immigration Reform Caucus. "When it became clear that the American people's demand for reform was too loud to ignore, our political foes changed their arguments and hid their intentions behind new language. Suddenly, amnesty was a 'path to citizenship,' an 'earned legalization,' or 'comprehensive reform.' We passed comprehensive reform today: we penalized illegal alien employers and secured our borders."

Tancredo added: "The fact that Congress was forced to discuss immigration reform in itself is a victory for my allies. Such a victory has been years in the making, and credit is due to the millions of Americans who attended town halls, wrote letters to the editor, called talk radio shows, and even defended the border on their own. I thank them whole-heartedly for their efforts, and I am deeply honored by the support they have shown me and my congressional allies."

Just a year ago, Tancredo said he could count his allies in the House on two hands. But Republican lawmakers began to see just how critical the issue was to voters in their districts. A recent poll showed border security second only to the war in Iraq as a motivating issue for voters.

"Today we savor our victory, but tomorrow we must begin the fight to ensure our victory becomes reality," he said. "I am well aware that this is a three-round fight, and while this has been a good round, we haven't delivered the knockout punch. The open borders lobby and its cronies in the Senate will undoubtedly attempt to attach an amnesty to our reform bill. The American people know what the Senate's plan is, and they will bring political punishment to any official that favors it. No backdoor amnesty -- no matter what you call it -- will become law. Americans demand real reform now and, thankfully, they may get it."

TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; Mexico; Politics/Elections
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To: Borax Queen
Well, my relatives came over from Europe during the 19th century for purely economic reasons, and unlike during World War II, none of these requirements applied. And they were extremely poor as well. My grandfather's ancestors were day laborers in Germany, so there's no way that they'd have even been literate, let alone know English. However, despite that, in a few generations, they had built a successful small business in Chicago and were highly productive citizens.

As for the restrictive immigration during WWII, I don't think that that's something that any American should be proud of because many of the people turned away were sent back to their almost certain deaths in European concentration camps.
41 posted on 12/18/2005 8:41:22 AM PST by Accygirl
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To: arnoldpalmerfan

Tancredo is the new Wilson (used to be Republican Governor of California). I hope he doesn't succeed in turning the Hispanic vote to the Democrats for a generation like Wilson did.

There is a way to get the same thing accomplished without sounding like you have Mexicans.

42 posted on 12/18/2005 8:50:05 AM PST by winner3000
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To: Dante3
America isn't overcrowded:
- Europe is actually becoming less populated and much older because A. most women don't want to stay at home and pop out ten kids, like in the 1950s, and B. they don't allow immigration. In contrast, America isn't facing this problem because it's replacing its population through immigration.

- Certain states, like Nebraska and Iowa, are trying to encourage people to settle in their states.

Furthermore, in the 19th century, most immigrants lived in slums and probably would have been on welfare if such a thing had existed back then. However, these original immigrants' children and grandchildren became productive members of society.
43 posted on 12/18/2005 9:17:25 AM PST by Accygirl
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To: Accygirl

Let's hear some numbers. How many illegal aliens would you allow into the country? How many legal immigrants should be allowed yearly?

44 posted on 12/18/2005 9:20:50 AM PST by WatchingInAmazement ("Nothing is more expensive than cheap labor," prof. Vernon Briggs, labor economist Cornell Un.)
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To: Cobra64

Add a canal too so it could compete with the Panama Canal.

45 posted on 12/18/2005 9:28:05 AM PST by VRWC For Truth (Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty.)
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To: Accygirl
After all, if things are going well in their homeland, then they wouldn't have wanted to leave.

My parents and relatives sure didn't want to leave, but the United States/FDR gave away their countries to Stalin and it was either that or Siberia. Many of my relatives went to the Siberian death camps, and most didn't come back. The rest waited in displaced persons' camps throughout Europe.

At any rate, they were economically much better off before the war than starting over in whichever country would admit them. Welfare and other socialist programs existed here, but there was no way, no how, not one that went on those.

But that was then, this is now, and it's interesting that you think we still need more people in this country. How many more "immigrants" do you think we "need"?

46 posted on 12/18/2005 12:06:44 PM PST by Borax Queen
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To: arnoldpalmerfan
"Between 1800 and 1965," Mr. Tancredo writes in his statement on the bill, "the annual number of people admitted as immigrants averaged about 200,000. Since 1990, that number has been over one million—and that doesn't count illegal immigrants."

With more than a million legal immigrants entering every year, there is no way the federal bureaucracies that deal with immigrants and national security threats could handle the problem.

It would take an army larger than any in the world simply to keep track of the aliens who are already here.

But national security, an obvious and immediate threat, is only part of the problem with mass immigration. The larger problem is the impact the immigration numbers have—on the economy, the culture, the educational system, crime and social institutions generally. And even larger than that is the number problem by itself.

Mr. Tancredo in his statement remarked "The Census Bureau projects that U.S. population will hit 400 million by 2050 and 571 million by 2100"—up from 280 million in the 2000 Census.

But the congressman's numbers were outdated only weeks after he cited them. This month the Census Bureau announced that by 2050, the national population will stand at 420 million, 17 million more than the previous estimate.

If you like sitting in traffic, standing in line, paying skyrocketing rents and home prices, and watching natural resources vanish to sustain this level of human numbers, you'll think the America of the future is a utopia.

Excerpted from 2003 article The Tancredo Moratorium Bill

47 posted on 12/18/2005 12:39:10 PM PST by Borax Queen
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To: Accygirl
Of course this country is overcrowded. While there are many unsettled areas, most of them do not have the water supply to support a town. Back in the early days there was a need for more immigrants, but not any more - certainly not immigrants who are from hostile countries and refuse to even learn English but demand all kinds of special services.

I know of many historical and scenic areas that have been destroyed for tacky housing developments. The population has been growing and growing (if you don't believe me, just look up the statistics) while the amount of land remains the same and certain resources are dwindling.

An interesting discussion of overcrowding can be found in "The Pump House Gang" by Tom Wolfe, Ch. 15 (O Rotten Gotham - Sliding Down into the Behavioral Sink)

48 posted on 12/18/2005 2:18:42 PM PST by Dante3
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To: Borax Queen

Good points!

49 posted on 12/18/2005 2:23:20 PM PST by Dante3
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To: arnoldpalmerfan

Fences are too expensive. We should just use metalstorm technology.,100000,3&category=Photos&PHPSESSID=87805a35c293a6fa20a209d1eef63c51

50 posted on 12/18/2005 2:29:29 PM PST by Walkingfeather
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To: Dante3

The numbers are even worse than I thought, and that's only legal immigration stats! And since 1990... so it hasn't been my imagination that the schools, libraries, roads, and hospitals are getting much more crowded.

51 posted on 12/18/2005 3:13:30 PM PST by Borax Queen
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To: Borax Queen
I have observed this decline in our quality of life for some time. Bringing in hordes of certain kinds of immigrants is a sure way to turn this country into a 3rd World country - President Johnson started the trend.
52 posted on 12/18/2005 3:40:24 PM PST by Dante3
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To: Dante3
Here's a map of U.S. population density, you can see all the yellow out west; that's all not populated. Furthermore, without immigration, the U.S. population would be aging at a considerable rate and would be depopulating just like Europe because most American women don't want to stay at home with ten kids.

As for the so-called "tacky" suburbs, those are populated American citizens (generally of the white trash variety), not immigrants. Moreover, the issue of urban sprawl has more to do with improper planning on the part of municipalities than it has to do with too many people. City and county governments are too busy counting the $$$ from developers to understand that more people = more schools, more roads, more hospitals, etc.
53 posted on 12/18/2005 4:35:42 PM PST by Accygirl
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To: Accygirl
A lot of those areas cannot support communities because of lack of sufficient water. Surely you do not want the entire country covered with asphalt and people piled on top of each other.

The fact is that most of the new immigrants (not all) are undesirables, many from hostile countries. In addition, hordes of illegal aliens are invading the country.

I recommend you read "Moment in the Sun." by Robert Rienow, an immigrant and a Holocaust survivor, who grew to love this country. Although the statistics are out of date, the issues are relevant still today.

54 posted on 12/18/2005 6:07:47 PM PST by Dante3
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To: arnoldpalmerfan

way to go.

55 posted on 12/18/2005 6:09:16 PM PST by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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To: Dante3
I'm shocked that a Holocaust survivor would be supportive of restrictive immigration policies, because it was those restrictive immigration policies that led the U.S. to turn away refugees and led to their deaths in concentration camps.

As for your other points, A. states like Nebraska, Iowa, the Dakotas, etc. are trying to encourage people to move to their states, because all the natives are leaving. B. The U.S. birthrate is declining, and the best way to replace population is through immigration. (The other way, kicking women back into the kitchen, is too disgusting to even fathom). S

Since there's really no population argument, I think that the whole debate comes down to who is coming into the country more than the fact there's immigration. If there was a sudden influx of immigrants from Canada, I don't think that anyone would mind. (In fact, the Canadian border is wide open and easy for terrorists to use, but I don't here anyone griping loudly about that). The whole thing has a racial/ class based element that I think is unfortunate.
56 posted on 12/18/2005 9:19:17 PM PST by Accygirl
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To: Accygirl

Suggesting the replacement of legal citizens with criminal invaders won't cut it here at FR. No moral equivalence, not matter how much you spin.

You’re definitely going to earn your Soros money if you intend to keep up that angle.

57 posted on 12/18/2005 9:29:17 PM PST by Balding_Eagle (God has blessed Republicans with political enemies who have dementia.)
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To: Accygirl; Borax Queen

"The whole thing has a racial/ class based element that I think is unfortunate."

Sorry madame, but P.C. buzz words don't cut here.
Try again.

58 posted on 12/18/2005 9:32:07 PM PST by investigateworld (Abortion stops a beating heart)
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To: Dante3
I cannot understand what is so adorable about these illegal aliens that states offer special perks to attract them - such as reduced college tuition, free medical care (at our expense, of course), translators, etc.

Democrat politicians love illegal aliens because they hold down the wages of, and take jobs from the poorest people so that those poor people remain dependent on government.

I think that the pro-illegal Republicans are about 1/3 actually Democrats who were elected by pretending that they were Republican, 1/3 beholden to their contributors that employ illegals and 1/3 have anti labor sentiments that sprout from usually appropriate anti union sentiment but then leads to being knee-jerk anti worker. In the process, they screw over the business that insists on using legal workers because those businesses end up taking less profits by paying their employees more but at the same time their prices must compete with the cut wage illegal employer. I've seen this happen with my own eyes with construction contracting.

59 posted on 12/19/2005 7:37:35 AM PST by Jim_Curtis
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To: Accygirl

It is unfortunate that Vincente Fox is successfully ethnic cleansing his own country so he and the few other ruling families can continue to control matters. He fortifies his own southern border and always asks us for more money to do so.

60 posted on 12/19/2005 7:48:13 AM PST by Borax Queen
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