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Tancredo wins round 1 to build Mexico fence
WorldNetDaily ^ | December 17, 2005 | WorldNetDaily

Posted on 12/17/2005 2:21:08 PM PST by arnoldpalmerfan

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1 posted on 12/17/2005 2:21:11 PM PST by arnoldpalmerfan
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...our political foes changed their arguments and hid their intentions behind new language. Suddenly, amnesty was a 'path to citizenship,' an 'earned legalization,' or 'comprehensive reform.' We passed comprehensive reform today: we penalized illegal alien employers and secured our borders."

Bump to Tom!

2 posted on 12/17/2005 2:24:35 PM PST by Borax Queen
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To: arnoldpalmerfan

At least Tom is getting some news. I'll wait to see if this makes it into law with any of the original content.


3 posted on 12/17/2005 2:27:22 PM PST by Navy Patriot
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To: arnoldpalmerfan

Yaaaa!!!!!


4 posted on 12/17/2005 2:27:48 PM PST by strategofr
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To: Borax Queen
"No backdoor amnesty -- no matter what you call it -- will become law. Americans demand real reform now and, thankfully, they may get it."

AMEN!

5 posted on 12/17/2005 2:27:48 PM PST by mosquitobite (As the Iraqis stand up, we will stand down.)
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To: arnoldpalmerfan

Congratulations, Minutemen!


6 posted on 12/17/2005 2:28:22 PM PST by strategofr
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To: arnoldpalmerfan

Congrats to Tancredo. Too bad we don't have more like him.


7 posted on 12/17/2005 2:29:37 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: arnoldpalmerfan

Oh no a two front war, Canada<--US-->Mexico

joking


8 posted on 12/17/2005 2:29:57 PM PST by bkepley
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To: arnoldpalmerfan

I'm so glad to hear this.

If we can get the illegal immigration thing under control, then perhaps we don't need the broad sweeping powers of the Patriot Act. I kinda think that the Patriot Act needs revision, gives govt. too many powers.


9 posted on 12/17/2005 2:30:44 PM PST by FeeinTennessee (http://hometown.aol.com/feereports/feepolitics.html)
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To: Brilliant

I love Tom Tancredo , if he runs for President I will vote for him.


10 posted on 12/17/2005 2:30:52 PM PST by injin
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To: Borax Queen

"Bump to Tom!"

Have you noticed an extremely low level of FROBL activity today?


11 posted on 12/17/2005 2:32:44 PM PST by dljordan
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To: dljordan
Have you noticed an extremely low level of FROBL activity today?

LOL, yes!

13 posted on 12/17/2005 2:41:04 PM PST by Borax Queen
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To: Brilliant
I agree. If only we had Tancredo in the White House.

As for the fence, some two-bit judge can still block it. Judges can do anything in this country. There is the crazy Judge Greer of Florida. Another judge in the NW declared that a mother cannot eavesdrop on her child's conversation with a predator.

And then there is US District Judge Raner C. Collins, a demented soul. He ordered the Arizona legislature to spend more money for students learning English and huge fines for anyone not meeting his deadlines. Furthermore, he declared that students learning English have to be given high school diplomas without passing the state's graduation tests. Now there is a little dictator. (Source: The Washington Times, Dec. 17)

14 posted on 12/17/2005 2:45:53 PM PST by Dante3
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To: FeeinTennessee

Have you read it?


15 posted on 12/17/2005 2:56:06 PM PST by Cobra64
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To: Dante3
A fence? It's a joke.

Sales of bolt cutters and wire snippers will skyrocket south of the border.

A FReeper has the answer. It is called a concrete wall with guard towers every half mile. Barrett sales could have a lasting effect.

16 posted on 12/17/2005 3:00:33 PM PST by Cobra64
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To: injin
I love Tom Tancredo , if he runs for President I will vote for him.

i would vote for that.
17 posted on 12/17/2005 3:16:38 PM PST by ARCADIA (Abuse of power comes as no surprise)
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To: Cobra64
It all depends on the type of fence. Even the best fence by itself, however, is not enough but it is at least a step in the right direction. We have to start rounding up and deporting these criminals - they pose the greatest threat to the security and future of this country.

I cannot understand what is so adorable about these illegal aliens that states offer special perks to attract them - such as reduced college tuition, free medical care (at our expense, of course), translators, etc.

And if they do not feel like learning English or studying in school, then crazy judges such as Judge Raner Collins want to force the state to give them a diploma. This makes a diploma worthless.

18 posted on 12/17/2005 3:21:11 PM PST by Dante3
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To: ARCADIA

Agreed.


19 posted on 12/17/2005 3:26:17 PM PST by Dante3
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To: arnoldpalmerfan

That's another 239 people who will never darken the steps at the White House again.


20 posted on 12/17/2005 3:39:31 PM PST by FEARED MUTATION
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To: arnoldpalmerfan
Heard Sensenbrenner removed the 'felony' penalty from his bill

Because..."it would just take too many resources to prosecute them...hiring attorneys for them...jail space...etc etc etc etc"...it was also stated that it would be much easier to deport them if they just kept the illegal invasion of America [in time of war] a "misdemeanor"....
21 posted on 12/17/2005 3:39:33 PM PST by joesnuffy (A camel once bit my sister-we knew just what to do- gather large rocks & squash her-Mullet Ho'mar)
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To: arnoldpalmerfan

Frankly, I think that Tom Tancredo is a loon. While protecting our border is fine (I'm much more concerned about the Canadian border than the Mexican one myself), I don't think it should be done at the expense of all immigration, which is what Tancredo wants. The best way to stop illegal immigration, in my opinion, is to increase the # of people allowed in the U.S. legally.


23 posted on 12/17/2005 4:17:40 PM PST by Accygirl
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To: peyton randolph
Mine fields are cheaper and more effective.

Agreed. This will never happen. But imagine the reactions from Lurch, Al-I, Nancy, Barbara, The Swimmer, The Beast, Stainman, Chuckie, Feingold, Al-II, Jessie, McLaime, Daschle, and Donner, and Dixon, and Prancer and... ?

24 posted on 12/17/2005 4:23:12 PM PST by Cobra64
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To: arnoldpalmerfan

1. Does anyone think this boondoggle will actually work?

2. How many of my tax$$$ are going to go to crooked contractors on this? And the maintenence for years every tiime some Mexican blows a hole in it.

3. I must admit, I used to think Tancredo was a yahoo. But, I was surprised that he's highly articulate and intelligent. But, this is just a "Let's DO Something!" boondoggle. I don't think the USA should be symbolized by barbed wire, even if it was workable.


25 posted on 12/17/2005 4:28:00 PM PST by AlexandriaDuke
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To: Accygirl
This country already has too many people. And look at the riffraff among even the legal immigrants.

Our scenic areas and historical battlefields are being destroyed for tacky housing developments. Traffic jams are growing problem in my area. As Daily pointed out in "Too Many Americans," our quality of life is being damaged by numbers.

We import legally Somalis, for example. I recommend that you read the book or watch the film "Black Hawk Down."

26 posted on 12/17/2005 4:34:35 PM PST by Dante3
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To: AlexandriaDuke

It's a waste of money to put up a fence when the NAFTA program was implemented to equalize the standard of living so they can merge all of the North American countries into one entity.

[b]Can you all say Amero $....?[/b]

Why do you think they have let all of the Mexicans in the US for? Every Friday they pay their Tote UR Note car lot a payment, buy a case of beer and send a Western Union MO to MX. This elevates the standard of living and the NAFTA bill sends all of our jobs to MX as well. They should be either catching or passing us soon.............


27 posted on 12/17/2005 4:44:51 PM PST by PROSOUTH ( Deo Vindice "God Will Vindicate")
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To: Dante3
As refugees from war... The U.S. does that for refugees in many other wars as well.

As for the rest of your screed, I find it very disturbing. My ancestors were "riffraff" who came over from Europe during the late 19th century. As were yours, I'm sure. And I think that those immigrants made America a much better place. Therefore, I have a similar view of current immigrants. If someone is willing to work hard and better himself or herself, then I think that he or she should be welcomed into the U.S. The more legal immigration there is, the better..
28 posted on 12/17/2005 6:15:34 PM PST by Accygirl
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To: bkepley
Oh no a two front war, Canada<--US-->Mexico

Well, then, let's just get out of the middle! Do something like an underground railroad to get them quickly from Mexico to Canada. After all, Canada is much more progressive, with government health care for all and cheaper drugs, so it's probably a better place for them to go to.

29 posted on 12/17/2005 6:22:57 PM PST by polymuser (Losing, like flooding, brings rats to the surface.)
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To: Brilliant

Congrats to Tancredo. Too bad we don't have more like him.""

AMEN


30 posted on 12/17/2005 6:32:13 PM PST by ridesthemiles (ridesthemiles)
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To: Accygirl; Dante3
While protecting our border is fine... The best way to stop illegal immigration, in my opinion, is to increase the # of people allowed in the U.S. legally.

"Fine"? "Fine"? Accygirl - it sounds like you don't know too much about the subject but are spouting rehearsed lines.

Just for starters, we already legally allow in more than any other country and our cities and towns are bursting at the seams without adequate infrastructure.

As usual with you open border types, you haven't posted a state flag, so it's hard to tell if you have any idea of the diseases being brought to the Southwest United States. Thanks to Kennedy, Clinton, now Bush, and globalist people like you, not only have we lost most of our emergency rooms, we are dealing with dengue fever, leprosy, tb, and whooping cough outbreaks, among other things.

HOSPITAL TO THE WORLD WELCOMES ILLEGALS & CONTAGIOUS DISEASES

31 posted on 12/17/2005 7:00:38 PM PST by Borax Queen
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To: Borax Queen

- Note the difference between legal and illegal immigration. Frankly, I have nothing against people from other countries who want to immigrate and work hard in the U.S. My ancestors were just those types of people, and I'm 100% sure that yours were as well.

- My main concerns with the border situation is A. terrorism and B. drug/ human trafficking. I have nothing against hardworking Mexicans who come to the U.S. to find jobs; in my opinion, they make this country a better place.


32 posted on 12/17/2005 8:03:16 PM PST by Accygirl
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To: Accygirl
I never said all immigrants were/are riffraff. Many in recent years, however, are out for welfare, commit crimes, refuse to learn the language, have an enormous sense of entitlement, etc.

There are many good people among immigrants, and millions of good people would want to migrate to this country. The problems is numbers. This country already has too many people.

If this keeps up we'll end up a 3rd World country.

33 posted on 12/17/2005 8:08:12 PM PST by Dante3
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To: Accygirl

Let's hear some numbers. How many illegal aliens would you allow into the country? How many legal immigrants should be allowed yearly?


34 posted on 12/17/2005 8:35:56 PM PST by WatchingInAmazement ("Nothing is more expensive than cheap labor," prof. Vernon Briggs, labor economist Cornell Un.)
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To: arnoldpalmerfan
The issue next moves to the Senate...

No need to read any further...

35 posted on 12/17/2005 8:41:46 PM PST by streetpreacher (If at the end of the day, 100% of both sides are not angry with me, I've failed.)
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My ancestors were just those types of people, and I'm 100% sure that yours were as well.

You're right, but my parents had to wait several years to be admitted into the United States, and they were escaping the horrors of Stalin and Hitler, not just seeking economic opportunity. In those days, there were quotas and we only absorbed what we could absorb. People had to be healthy to be admitted, have jobs (those old enough), sponsors, speak English well, know the Constitution, and so on. I have many relatives who weren't admitted because they (falsely) tested positive for TB.

Now, after the 1960s, almost anyone can come legally from almost any country. How many is too many? We already import more than our share, legally, plus we have an estimated 20 - 35 million here illegally. After the last five years of the rampant illegal alien invasion, yes, we may need to reassess the entire situation, legal and illegal. I know we don't have the roads, hospitals, or schools in AZ to support any more of this without becoming 3rd world.

36 posted on 12/18/2005 5:24:56 AM PST by Borax Queen
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To: WatchingInAmazement; Accygirl
Immigrants and their children now account for perhaps one-half of United States population growth, and that proportion is certain to continue climbing into the 21st century. There are perhaps as many as 40 million more people in the U.S. today than there would have been if the annual average number of new immigrants under the old system had remained undisturbed, according to demographer Leon Bouvier. The immigration flows of the last 30 years have not only been larger but also less well-educated, since skills-based immigration accounts for only about 10 percent of the total flow. Family "reunification" and refugee and amnesty flows, acknowledged to bring people of lower educational attainment, account for the rest."

http://www.cis.org/articles/1995/olg12-28-95.html

I would say we aren't exactly getting the cream of the crop anymore.

37 posted on 12/18/2005 6:17:29 AM PST by Borax Queen
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To: Dante3

Forgot to ping you to post 37.


38 posted on 12/18/2005 6:20:44 AM PST by Borax Queen
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To: Borax Queen
Those poor Irish farmers that came over during the 1840s potato famine must have been the real cream of the crop, with college degrees from Trinity University as an added bonus... snark off.

Frankly, most of the immigrants who have come to the U.S. are looking for economic opportunity. After all, if things are going well in their homeland, then they wouldn't have wanted to leave.
39 posted on 12/18/2005 8:32:33 AM PST by Accygirl
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To: Borax Queen
Those poor Irish farmers that came over during the 1840s potato famine must have been the real cream of the crop, with college degrees from Trinity University as an added bonus... snark off.

Frankly, most of the immigrants who have come to the U.S. are looking for economic opportunity. After all, if things are going well in their homeland, then they wouldn't have wanted to leave.
40 posted on 12/18/2005 8:32:50 AM PST by Accygirl
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To: Borax Queen
Well, my relatives came over from Europe during the 19th century for purely economic reasons, and unlike during World War II, none of these requirements applied. And they were extremely poor as well. My grandfather's ancestors were day laborers in Germany, so there's no way that they'd have even been literate, let alone know English. However, despite that, in a few generations, they had built a successful small business in Chicago and were highly productive citizens.

As for the restrictive immigration during WWII, I don't think that that's something that any American should be proud of because many of the people turned away were sent back to their almost certain deaths in European concentration camps.
41 posted on 12/18/2005 8:41:22 AM PST by Accygirl
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To: arnoldpalmerfan

Tancredo is the new Wilson (used to be Republican Governor of California). I hope he doesn't succeed in turning the Hispanic vote to the Democrats for a generation like Wilson did.

There is a way to get the same thing accomplished without sounding like you have Mexicans.


42 posted on 12/18/2005 8:50:05 AM PST by winner3000
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To: Dante3
America isn't overcrowded:
- Europe is actually becoming less populated and much older because A. most women don't want to stay at home and pop out ten kids, like in the 1950s, and B. they don't allow immigration. In contrast, America isn't facing this problem because it's replacing its population through immigration.

- Certain states, like Nebraska and Iowa, are trying to encourage people to settle in their states.

Furthermore, in the 19th century, most immigrants lived in slums and probably would have been on welfare if such a thing had existed back then. However, these original immigrants' children and grandchildren became productive members of society.
43 posted on 12/18/2005 9:17:25 AM PST by Accygirl
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To: Accygirl

Let's hear some numbers. How many illegal aliens would you allow into the country? How many legal immigrants should be allowed yearly?


44 posted on 12/18/2005 9:20:50 AM PST by WatchingInAmazement ("Nothing is more expensive than cheap labor," prof. Vernon Briggs, labor economist Cornell Un.)
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To: Cobra64

Add a canal too so it could compete with the Panama Canal.


45 posted on 12/18/2005 9:28:05 AM PST by VRWC For Truth (Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty.)
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To: Accygirl
After all, if things are going well in their homeland, then they wouldn't have wanted to leave.

My parents and relatives sure didn't want to leave, but the United States/FDR gave away their countries to Stalin and it was either that or Siberia. Many of my relatives went to the Siberian death camps, and most didn't come back. The rest waited in displaced persons' camps throughout Europe.

At any rate, they were economically much better off before the war than starting over in whichever country would admit them. Welfare and other socialist programs existed here, but there was no way, no how, not one that went on those.

But that was then, this is now, and it's interesting that you think we still need more people in this country. How many more "immigrants" do you think we "need"?

46 posted on 12/18/2005 12:06:44 PM PST by Borax Queen
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To: arnoldpalmerfan
"Between 1800 and 1965," Mr. Tancredo writes in his statement on the bill, "the annual number of people admitted as immigrants averaged about 200,000. Since 1990, that number has been over one million—and that doesn't count illegal immigrants."

With more than a million legal immigrants entering every year, there is no way the federal bureaucracies that deal with immigrants and national security threats could handle the problem.

It would take an army larger than any in the world simply to keep track of the aliens who are already here.

But national security, an obvious and immediate threat, is only part of the problem with mass immigration. The larger problem is the impact the immigration numbers have—on the economy, the culture, the educational system, crime and social institutions generally. And even larger than that is the number problem by itself.

Mr. Tancredo in his statement remarked "The Census Bureau projects that U.S. population will hit 400 million by 2050 and 571 million by 2100"—up from 280 million in the 2000 Census.

But the congressman's numbers were outdated only weeks after he cited them. This month the Census Bureau announced that by 2050, the national population will stand at 420 million, 17 million more than the previous estimate.

If you like sitting in traffic, standing in line, paying skyrocketing rents and home prices, and watching natural resources vanish to sustain this level of human numbers, you'll think the America of the future is a utopia.

Excerpted from 2003 article The Tancredo Moratorium Bill

47 posted on 12/18/2005 12:39:10 PM PST by Borax Queen
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To: Accygirl
Of course this country is overcrowded. While there are many unsettled areas, most of them do not have the water supply to support a town. Back in the early days there was a need for more immigrants, but not any more - certainly not immigrants who are from hostile countries and refuse to even learn English but demand all kinds of special services.

I know of many historical and scenic areas that have been destroyed for tacky housing developments. The population has been growing and growing (if you don't believe me, just look up the statistics) while the amount of land remains the same and certain resources are dwindling.

An interesting discussion of overcrowding can be found in "The Pump House Gang" by Tom Wolfe, Ch. 15 (O Rotten Gotham - Sliding Down into the Behavioral Sink)

48 posted on 12/18/2005 2:18:42 PM PST by Dante3
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To: Borax Queen

Good points!


49 posted on 12/18/2005 2:23:20 PM PST by Dante3
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To: arnoldpalmerfan

Fences are too expensive. We should just use metalstorm technology.

http://www.metalstormserver.com/freedomweb/index.php?src=photo&srctype=lister&album=Area%20Denial%20Weapons%20Systems%20%28ADWS%29&submenu=Graphics&albumpos=0,100000,3&category=Photos&PHPSESSID=87805a35c293a6fa20a209d1eef63c51


50 posted on 12/18/2005 2:29:29 PM PST by Walkingfeather
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