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Tancredo wins round 1 to build Mexico fence
WorldNetDaily ^ | December 17, 2005 | WorldNetDaily

Posted on 12/17/2005 2:21:08 PM PST by arnoldpalmerfan

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To: Dante3

The numbers are even worse than I thought, and that's only legal immigration stats! And since 1990... so it hasn't been my imagination that the schools, libraries, roads, and hospitals are getting much more crowded.


51 posted on 12/18/2005 3:13:30 PM PST by Borax Queen
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To: Borax Queen
I have observed this decline in our quality of life for some time. Bringing in hordes of certain kinds of immigrants is a sure way to turn this country into a 3rd World country - President Johnson started the trend.
52 posted on 12/18/2005 3:40:24 PM PST by Dante3
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To: Dante3
Here's a map of U.S. population density, you can see all the yellow out west; that's all not populated. http://www.census.gov/dmd/www/pdf/512popdn.pdf Furthermore, without immigration, the U.S. population would be aging at a considerable rate and would be depopulating just like Europe because most American women don't want to stay at home with ten kids.

As for the so-called "tacky" suburbs, those are populated American citizens (generally of the white trash variety), not immigrants. Moreover, the issue of urban sprawl has more to do with improper planning on the part of municipalities than it has to do with too many people. City and county governments are too busy counting the $$$ from developers to understand that more people = more schools, more roads, more hospitals, etc.
53 posted on 12/18/2005 4:35:42 PM PST by Accygirl
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To: Accygirl
A lot of those areas cannot support communities because of lack of sufficient water. Surely you do not want the entire country covered with asphalt and people piled on top of each other.

The fact is that most of the new immigrants (not all) are undesirables, many from hostile countries. In addition, hordes of illegal aliens are invading the country.

I recommend you read "Moment in the Sun." by Robert Rienow, an immigrant and a Holocaust survivor, who grew to love this country. Although the statistics are out of date, the issues are relevant still today.

54 posted on 12/18/2005 6:07:47 PM PST by Dante3
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To: arnoldpalmerfan

way to go.


55 posted on 12/18/2005 6:09:16 PM PST by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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To: Dante3
I'm shocked that a Holocaust survivor would be supportive of restrictive immigration policies, because it was those restrictive immigration policies that led the U.S. to turn away refugees and led to their deaths in concentration camps.

As for your other points, A. states like Nebraska, Iowa, the Dakotas, etc. are trying to encourage people to move to their states, because all the natives are leaving. B. The U.S. birthrate is declining, and the best way to replace population is through immigration. (The other way, kicking women back into the kitchen, is too disgusting to even fathom). S

Since there's really no population argument, I think that the whole debate comes down to who is coming into the country more than the fact there's immigration. If there was a sudden influx of immigrants from Canada, I don't think that anyone would mind. (In fact, the Canadian border is wide open and easy for terrorists to use, but I don't here anyone griping loudly about that). The whole thing has a racial/ class based element that I think is unfortunate.
56 posted on 12/18/2005 9:19:17 PM PST by Accygirl
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To: Accygirl

Suggesting the replacement of legal citizens with criminal invaders won't cut it here at FR. No moral equivalence, not matter how much you spin.

You’re definitely going to earn your Soros money if you intend to keep up that angle.


57 posted on 12/18/2005 9:29:17 PM PST by Balding_Eagle (God has blessed Republicans with political enemies who have dementia.)
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To: Accygirl; Borax Queen

"The whole thing has a racial/ class based element that I think is unfortunate."

Sorry madame, but P.C. buzz words don't cut here.
Try again.


58 posted on 12/18/2005 9:32:07 PM PST by investigateworld (Abortion stops a beating heart)
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To: Dante3
I cannot understand what is so adorable about these illegal aliens that states offer special perks to attract them - such as reduced college tuition, free medical care (at our expense, of course), translators, etc.

Democrat politicians love illegal aliens because they hold down the wages of, and take jobs from the poorest people so that those poor people remain dependent on government.

I think that the pro-illegal Republicans are about 1/3 actually Democrats who were elected by pretending that they were Republican, 1/3 beholden to their contributors that employ illegals and 1/3 have anti labor sentiments that sprout from usually appropriate anti union sentiment but then leads to being knee-jerk anti worker. In the process, they screw over the business that insists on using legal workers because those businesses end up taking less profits by paying their employees more but at the same time their prices must compete with the cut wage illegal employer. I've seen this happen with my own eyes with construction contracting.

59 posted on 12/19/2005 7:37:35 AM PST by Jim_Curtis
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To: Accygirl

It is unfortunate that Vincente Fox is successfully ethnic cleansing his own country so he and the few other ruling families can continue to control matters. He fortifies his own southern border and always asks us for more money to do so.



60 posted on 12/19/2005 7:48:13 AM PST by Borax Queen
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To: Accygirl; investigateworld; Dante3; nicmarlo; Itzlzha
It was perfectly ok for Kennedy in the 1960s to socially re-engineer the U.S., and OBLers have fallen right into his hands.

March 1, 2004 (already outdated)

"About 5.3 million undocumented immigrants from Mexico are living in the United States, according to estimates based on the March 2002 Current Population Survey (CPS) as well as census and other government data. Over one in every two Mexican immigrants is undocumented, compared with about one in every six for the remainder of the foreign born.

Mexico represents the largest source of immigration to the United States. Of the 32.5 million foreign born covered in the March 2002 CPS, 9.8 million or 30 percent were from Mexico; the next largest source, the Philippines, accounted for only one-seventh as many at 1.4 million. The rest of Latin America accounted for 7.3 million or 23 percent. Asian immigrants, at 8.5 million, made up 26 percent of the total foreign-born population. There were 5.4 million foreign born from Europe and Canada, accounting for 17 percent of all immigrants.

Mexican immigrants account for about one-fifth of the legal immigrants living in the United States. This large percentage is actually a legacy of the legalization programs of the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 (IRCA), under which about two million formerly undocumented Mexicans acquired legal status. In terms of the annual inflow of legal immigrants, about one in seven are Mexican. This share is substantially larger than the legal flow from any other country.

Mexico is also the single largest source of undocumented immigrants."

http://www.migrationinformation.org/Feature/display.cfm?ID=208

61 posted on 12/19/2005 8:02:15 AM PST by Borax Queen
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To: Borax Queen

bttt


62 posted on 12/19/2005 8:06:30 AM PST by nicmarlo
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To: Accygirl; Dante3; Borax Queen
Since there's really no population argument, I think that the whole debate comes down to who is coming into the country more than the fact there's immigration.

Actually, it comes down to our Country having immigration laws and ratios; these were put into place because, as you may not be aware, the United States does not have a money tree growing in its back yard, nor does it have unlimited resources and land mass.

63 posted on 12/19/2005 8:08:41 AM PST by nicmarlo
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Since there's really no population argument, I think that the whole debate comes down to who is coming into the country more than the fact there's immigration. If there was a sudden influx of immigrants from Canada, I don't think that anyone would mind. (In fact, the Canadian border is wide open and easy for terrorists to use, but I don't here anyone griping loudly about that). The whole thing has a racial/ class based element that I think is unfortunate.

OK...for one, I want all the borders sealed! Canada as well, and I am EXTREMELY concerned about Canada, as the Martin corruption just LOVES Islamazis, and they are sneaking in from our North where they were welcomed!

Secondly, why do all you OBL-ers have a mental block with the word "ILLEGAL" when it's paired with immigrant?

I don't care WHERE you are from...if you come here ilegally, you are gone. There is no racial component except from the OBL crowd...need proof? How about these words...note the bold passages...

"Year 2000 GOP's Bush Calls for Increasing Legal Immigration Levels

George W. Bush endorses the "demographic revolution" that Bill Clinton said he hoped would end "European culture" in America, the GOP presidential hopeful went on to call for a lifting of the legal limits on immigration.

In an interview ignored by the liberal press, as well as his GOP rivals, Bush told the editorial board of the Cedar Rapids Gazette, that "we ought to increase legal immigration." ......

Family values don't stop at the Rio Grande River," he said. "If you're a mother and dad, and you got kids to feed, and you're making 50 cents and you see someone in Iowa making $50, and you care about those kids, you're coming."

Bush suggested that because Americans aren't skilled enough to handle the demands of an economy driven by high-tech industries, "we ought to increase legal immigration for our country's advantage. The high-tech world that we are now dominate is dependent on educated folks, but we're short of workers. It is to our advantage to encourage high-powered, smart people to come into this country," he said.

So here we have proof in his own words, that Mexico is preferred over "European Culture".

Now who's racist?

As far as class goes...note the wage comment by Bush...those cheap laborers really help depress American wages, and that is good for business, but not for lower class Americans who cannot compete in the markets being manipulated by Illegal Immigrants and their accomplices in Gub'Mint and Business!

THAT is a class issue.

Your side loses

64 posted on 12/19/2005 8:59:45 AM PST by Itzlzha ("The avalanche has already started...it is too late for the pebbles to vote")
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I am concerned about terrorism, which is why I want to to close the Canadian border. That's where there's been the most documented terrorist incidents. However, you don't here anybody complaining about that, but you hear much complaining about the Mexican border, which is much more heavily regulated.

I, however, have nothing against people immigrating to the U.S. for jobs nor do I have any problem with them because they are poor/ uneducated. A good half of my ancestors were Irish Catholics, who came over to this country during the Potato Famine. They were all poor and illiterate and probably had to listen to nasty comments similar to the ones thrown by y'all against Mexican immigrants. However, despite that, they settled in Chicago, started successful businesses, and became productive members of society. The same, I believe, applies to most immigrants today.
65 posted on 12/19/2005 4:48:56 PM PST by Accygirl
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To: nicmarlo

But those ratios are outdated and discriminate against people from developing countries.


66 posted on 12/19/2005 4:50:50 PM PST by Accygirl
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To: Accygirl

There are immigration laws and ratios.

Too bad if you don't like them.

They're there for a reason.

Do you open your own home, indiscriminately to others, as well?


67 posted on 12/19/2005 5:03:18 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: Accygirl

You haven't answered anyone here about how many millions of people you plan to support in your gated community or with your own money? You sure seem ready to give our sovereignty away since you are saying we have no right to control who enters and instead have to support the millions of people who want to come here.

200,000 immigrants a year, on average, up until 1990, now 1 million a year plus at least another million illegal aliens, and you say we are discriminating? I can hear that tiny bleeding heart violin playing in the background all right.


68 posted on 12/19/2005 5:29:43 PM PST by Borax Queen
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To: Accygirl; Itzlzha

My great-grandparents came here during the potato famine, too, LEGALLY.


69 posted on 12/19/2005 6:20:28 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: nicmarlo

No, but I also believe that there should be higher legal immigration quotas or a guest worker program for people from developing countries.


70 posted on 12/20/2005 3:50:12 PM PST by Accygirl
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To: nicmarlo

Of course they did, because there was no quotas restricting them from entering the U.S. If faced with today's immigration laws, most would have probably ended up immigrating to the U.S. illegally.


71 posted on 12/20/2005 3:52:46 PM PST by Accygirl
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