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White House 'never told' of WMD doubts (Powell opens up!)
Herald Sun ^ | 18 December 2005

Posted on 12/17/2005 6:14:13 PM PST by Aussie Dasher

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To: liberallarry

“The Administration is not run by inexperienced children. Its leaders are well aware of the limitations and uncertainties which accompany all intelligence.”

This statement is reasonable in that it describes an awareness of limitations and uncertainties in general. But no generalization is 100%. Therefore no presidential administration will be aware of each and every instance of faulty intelligence, especially when the intelligence community has been infiltrated, as in this case, with cowardly traitors who are directed by their very ideology to work through deception and fraud.

That is, your statement contains no refutation of the assertion that the Bush administration was not aware of the doubts in the intelligence leading to the Iraq war.


101 posted on 12/17/2005 8:31:34 PM PST by reasonisfaith (To become an atheist you must think on the level of a one year old infant)
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To: FairOpinion
Ask the Lebanese citizens. LOL...they know exactly where they were hidden. Are they still there? I've read Russia moved them later.
102 posted on 12/17/2005 8:31:36 PM PST by shield (The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instructions.Pr 1:7)
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To: Aussie Dasher
Mr Powell, who argued the case for military action against Saddam Hussein in the UN in 2003, told BBC News 24 television he was "deeply disappointed in what the intelligence community had presented to me and to the rest of us."

"What really upset me more than anything else was that there were people in the intelligence community that had doubts about some of this sourcing, but those doubts never surfaced to us," he said.

103 posted on 12/17/2005 8:31:37 PM PST by Alia
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To: mcCabesPub

It is my understanding that she asked if the moon was really made of green cheese.


104 posted on 12/17/2005 8:32:11 PM PST by RTINSC (Being Offended is the Natural Consequence of Leaving Your Home...)
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To: knews_hound

Good article!


105 posted on 12/17/2005 8:34:13 PM PST by penelopesire
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To: penelopesire

I believe it to be true.

It just all adds up, ya know?


106 posted on 12/17/2005 8:35:42 PM PST by knews_hound (i know my typing sucks, i do it one handed ! (caps are especially tough))
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To: Aussie Dasher

BUMP!


107 posted on 12/17/2005 8:38:38 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: FairOpinion

Right. I said long ago that when Saddam saw W was really coming, he hid, buried or exported a lot of stuff. He wasn't going to let WMD finds vindicate W. Of course the guys that hid it are insurgents or dead. But hopefully as the gov't takes hold some may squeal.


108 posted on 12/17/2005 8:44:14 PM PST by Rennes Templar ("The future ain't what it used to be".........Yogi Berra)
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To: reasonisfaith
That is, your statement contains no refutation of the assertion that the Bush administration was not aware of the doubts in the intelligence leading to the Iraq war.

It's not possible that the Administration was not aware of such doubts given the position of Cheney and others on the worthiness of the intelligence community.

But it is true that Bush asked Tenet about the reliability of claims that Saddam possessed WMD and was assured that they were a "slam dunk".

109 posted on 12/17/2005 8:45:59 PM PST by liberallarry
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To: liberallarry

The magnitude of error committed by the left regarding the Iraq war is so monstrous that the only hope for them lies in the extent to which their current falsification of news and general trickery is accepted as truth by the American people.

Things don’t look good for the liberals.

Thank God for President Bush.


110 posted on 12/17/2005 8:46:24 PM PST by reasonisfaith (To become an atheist you must think on the level of a one year old infant)
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To: Cobra64

A liberal? Moi?

Reread my response. I used pure and "INNOCENT". Pure and innocent as in a unborn human being. Innocent as in regards to your son serving a meal in a restraunt and God forbid being shot. I would not feel obligated to extend the same respect for the life of your son's assailant as I would for the life of your son. Would you?

I served twenty years in the USAF, during Korea, Vietnam and most of the cold war. I would be willing to reeinlist and serve again, but they are far from being so desperate as to take a worn out ol' seventy three old codger.


111 posted on 12/17/2005 8:49:07 PM PST by F.J. Mitchell ( Dems seem confident that Iraqi WMDs won't be found-anyone checked under their seats?)
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To: FairOpinion

"There was a large amount of evidence that Saddam DID have WMD. Based on that evidence everyone was sure he had them.

The fact that we didn't find any proves that we couldn't find them, or that maybe they weren't there WHEN we went in, but it's not proof that they weren't there a month before. Yet people keep insisting, that if we couldn't find them, that's absolute proof that he never had any, despite of all previous evidence."

All one needs do is dial your mind back to the lead-up to the invasion and the rhetoric coming from the Dim potty about the gigantic numbers of casualties the U.S. was going to suffer.


112 posted on 12/17/2005 8:51:37 PM PST by Rembrandt (We would have won Viet Nam w/o Dim interference.)
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To: RTINSC

"The article neglected Sheila Jackson Lee who suggested we hide the troops in the desert so nobody will know we are there."

"How about next to our flag on Mars instead" said Lee in a further statement.


113 posted on 12/17/2005 9:01:36 PM PST by headstamp (Nothing lasts forever, Unless it does.)
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To: Aussie Dasher

Yikes! This is pretty bad. Good for Powell for *finally* bringing this out but what took him so long?


114 posted on 12/17/2005 9:05:38 PM PST by newzjunkey (Remember the less fortunate this season: "U.S. Marines Toys for Tots" "Salvation Army")
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115 posted on 12/17/2005 9:07:07 PM PST by newzjunkey (Remember the less fortunate this season: "U.S. Marines Toys for Tots" "Salvation Army")
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To: Aussie Dasher

He needs to be saying it on this side of the pond.


116 posted on 12/17/2005 9:09:37 PM PST by lawgirl (..a long December and there's reason to believe maybe this year will be better than the last.....)
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To: Aussie Dasher

Bump to read later....


117 posted on 12/17/2005 9:14:13 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: hipaatwo

'..turn the chanel when Reid speaks..'

I do the same when Weasle Clark comes on Fox news (drives me nuts that they hired him). I mute the TV when Rangel or Levin come on....yuck!


118 posted on 12/17/2005 9:14:14 PM PST by 4integrity
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To: shield

Yup, Russia helped moved the WMD to Syria..
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1413774733/002-2588804-6203228?v=glance&n=283155&n=507846&s=books&v=glance

As detailed here:
http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=19899


119 posted on 12/17/2005 9:14:34 PM PST by TDCAnalyst
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To: adamsjas

'..what took him so long.....'

that's what I'd like to know. Why'd he let them keep bashing the President.....??


120 posted on 12/17/2005 9:16:07 PM PST by 4integrity
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To: TDCAnalyst

Interesting...


121 posted on 12/17/2005 9:24:09 PM PST by shield (The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instructions.Pr 1:7)
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To: Aussie Dasher

Powell waited until now to disclose this info?


122 posted on 12/17/2005 9:26:27 PM PST by Bullitt
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To: 4integrity
'..what took him so long.....'

that's what I'd like to know. Why'd he let them keep bashing the President.....??

Because not very deep down, Powell is just another RAT B@st@rd RINO whose only real interest is to bash Bush or the conservatives, and to pander/capitulate/appease to the hate-America crowd. Of course Bush lets them get away with it again and again, with not even a peep of protest, let alone a real smackdown! Geez, you would think Bush would get tired of getting stabbed in the back over & over again by supposed members of his party!

123 posted on 12/17/2005 9:34:22 PM PST by rcrngroup
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To: Bullitt

I think he has a concience... the lionozing of Bush by MSM is beyond belief, this the same crowd that lowered the bar on Clinton to criminal in chief.. it was fine by them cus it was Clinton


124 posted on 12/17/2005 9:38:06 PM PST by Cinnamon
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To: Cinnamon

bttt


125 posted on 12/17/2005 9:54:19 PM PST by Txsleuth
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To: RTINSC
The article neglected Sheila Jackson Lee who suggested we hide the troops in the desert so nobody will know we are there.

Wow! What a brilliant idea! Why didn't Rumsfield or Bush think of that? That Yale Law School grad is a genius.

126 posted on 12/17/2005 10:39:27 PM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
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To: reasonisfaith
The magnitude of error committed by the left regarding the Iraq war is so monstrous

The Left does not speak with one voice but I agree that they have grossly underestimated the threat posed by Islamic extemists.

127 posted on 12/17/2005 10:46:02 PM PST by liberallarry
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To: Cobra64

I could support Powell/Rice as a ticket just fine. My evaluation was not derived from any anti abortion intensity on my own part. It was a dispassionate evaluation of the probabilities that our hardliners could support candidates who are abortion moderates.

Abortion seems to arrive on the scene with three criteria.

1) Human life starts at conception and even the morning after pill is murder.

2) Human life starts at some very hard to define point on the calendar when . . . perhaps the earliest date ever noted of an EEG scan showing brain wave activity has arrived on the calendar. Somewhat who is moderately pro Life would evaluate that point on the calendar as very close to conception -- perhaps a few weeks. A pro choice person would push that way out with moderately pro choice be defined as perhaps a few months, but utterly opposed to partial birth abortion.

3) Pro Choice extremists would say PBA is just fine, that fetuses are not children at all and deserve no more concern than a tumor and only women (who vote Democrat) are of any concern in the matter.

So I evaluate Rice and Powell as pro Life moderates by that criteria . . . and I suspect our hardliners won't accept it.


128 posted on 12/18/2005 6:58:34 AM PST by Owen
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To: Aussie Dasher

bttt...


129 posted on 12/18/2005 7:28:20 PM PST by harpu
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To: sirchtruth
Correction -- we knew he had WMD -- Rumsfeld was involved in the sale of those weapons in the early eighties. At that time, according to some, Saddam was a B------, but he was our B------.

I believe the US behaviour in Iraq will encourage every country on planet earth to develop a nuclear weapon.

Saddam violated UN resolutions so the US decided to attack despite disapproval by the UN. In doing so, we are guilty of the same thing we are accusing Iraq of. During the first Gulf war the UN was very useful to us, they listened to our case for war and agreed to it. In that war like the present one, many of those claims are in dispute. Since they refused to go along with the war this time the UN has been accused of sex crimes, all sorts of corruption, and we have an ambassador who appears to have nothing but contempt for the institution. The crimes the UN is accused of are no different from the ones I read about taking place in this country every day. Why should we expect the UN to be any different? Could it be they were always a corrupt institution, but they were our institution?

I fail to understand the reasoning in any of this.

130 posted on 12/19/2005 1:00:17 AM PST by TiaS
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To: Aussie Dasher

We don't need to worry about weapons in the hands of enemies, the Rats are going to beat our enemies down with word games, and cliches. And if that doesn't work, they are going to use rhetoric on them.

Our enemies are shaking in their boots.

Everyone knows Iraq had the weapons. We even found some. But, the rats care more about power than America.

Just like they secretly cheer when another soldier is killed or maimed.

Damn the rats to hell.


131 posted on 12/19/2005 1:04:49 AM PST by Joe_October (Saddam supported Terrorists. Al Qaeda are Terrorists. I can't find the link.)
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To: TiaS
I fail to understand the reasoning in any of this.

What in tarnation are you talking about? You fail to understand all of it because you're wrong in your analysis! The US doesn't need the approval of the UN to do diddly-squat. Saddam broke the GW ceasefire agreement, that in itself justifies this war. After violating 14 un res., colluding with terrorist, continually violating pacts. and the mere fact he gased his own people give us not only the RIGHT to go take his ass out, but an obligation.

We are NOT anything like the UN and for you to suggest such a thing is not only ludicrous, but stupidly asserted! Get back to your anti-American left/libertarian, and listen to err-america...it's where you'll find a home, not here!

132 posted on 12/19/2005 4:23:40 AM PST by sirchtruth (Words Mean Things...)
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To: sirchtruth

Thank you sir/madam, not looking for a home. Just speaking truth to power.


133 posted on 12/19/2005 7:43:59 AM PST by TiaS
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To: TiaS
Just speaking truth to power.

You're speaking pure B.S. and you know it!

134 posted on 12/19/2005 3:01:55 PM PST by sirchtruth (Words Mean Things...)
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To: sirchtruth

Be nice.


135 posted on 12/19/2005 3:21:08 PM PST by TiaS
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