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Revolutionary Route
Stamford Advocate ^ | December 18, 2005 | Keach Hagey

Posted on 12/18/2005 6:11:47 AM PST by Pharmboy

One hundred sixty-four years before American-led Allied forces landed on the beaches of Normandy to liberate France from the Germans, French troops landed in Newport, R.I., to help liberate the American colonies from the British.

With the powerful British Navy controlling the coast, the French Army, led by Jean Baptiste Donatien de Vimeur, count of Rochambeau, marched inland on its way to meet George Washington's army and fight the British in Yorktown, Va. They won -- securing American independence -- but 5,000 Frenchmen died in battle.

"There were more Frenchmen killed at Yorktown than American revolutionaries," said Serge Gabriel, a Greenwich resident and native of France who has devoted the past five years of his life to commemorating Connecticut's role in his countrymen's historic march. Although no battles took place in Connecticut, it was one of nine states that the army marched through.

The memorializing is part of a national celebration that began last summer and ends next summer, marking the 225th anniversary of the Battle of Yorktown. As part of the celebration, Connecticut is working with the National Park Service to name the 600-mile, nine-state road the French and American armies followed, called the Washington-Rochambeau Revolutionary Route, a national historic trail.

Gabriel, an American citizen who served in the French and American armies, serves as the Connecticut chairman of the project. In that volunteer role, he travels throughout the state, meeting with people in each of the 11 towns the French army passed through on its way south.

Collaborating with the Connecticut Commission on Culture and Tourism, he is working to erect outdoor historic panels in each town detailing their contributions to the war effort. Two panels have been erected, in Lebanon and East Hartford.

(Excerpt) Read more at stamfordadvocate.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; US: Connecticut; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: americanhistory; france; lafayette; revolutionarywar; revwar; rochambeau; yorktown
Rochambeau's contribution was much more significant because he was an experienced general leading a professional army, with real uniforms and a level of discipline that Washington's motley crew lacked.

I take umbrage at this sentence. While the Continental Army may have been a "motley crew" early on, by 1778 they were a disciplined fighting unit.

1 posted on 12/18/2005 6:11:47 AM PST by Pharmboy
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To: Pharmboy

What's next? 5000 statues of John Kerry?


2 posted on 12/18/2005 6:14:54 AM PST by xcamel (a system poltergeist stole it.)
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To: indcons; Chani; thefactor; blam; aculeus; ELS; Doctor Raoul; mainepatsfan; timpad; ...

The Washington Family Coat of Arms

Please Freepmail me to get ON or get OFF this RevWar/Colonial History/Gen. Washington ping list

3 posted on 12/18/2005 6:15:08 AM PST by Pharmboy (The stone age didn't end because they ran out of stones.)
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To: xcamel

I hear Kerry's ancestors were for the Revolution before they were against it...


4 posted on 12/18/2005 6:16:53 AM PST by Pharmboy (The stone age didn't end because they ran out of stones.)
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To: Pharmboy

Sounds like another excellent way to throw away taxpayer dollars.


5 posted on 12/18/2005 6:21:51 AM PST by wizr (Fear not death. Christ lives.)
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To: wizr

Well, we'll have to disagree on that one. Anything that keeps the memory and ideas of the American Revolution alive is money well spent AFAIC...


6 posted on 12/18/2005 6:28:16 AM PST by Pharmboy (The stone age didn't end because they ran out of stones.)
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To: Pharmboy
Indeed. I think the phrase is Keach's not Serge's. I know Serge from the Greenwich ad-hoc group that puts on a solemn Independence Day ceremony here in Greenwich, and he's really a wonderful man, devoted both the the US and France -- well, he did come from France. As much as all of us -- me perhaps foremost -- bash the French, it's good to remember that at a time we needed help, the Kingdom of France provided it, and the blood of some of France's best families was spilled in our cause. Even if French help had more to do with French interests than generosity towards us, it would be niggardly of us to begrudge the Kingdom of France our thanks and gratitude.

Of course, I believe we have paid our debt to the French nation more-than-in-full during their misunderstandings with the Germans during the last century, and that it is now the French who are ingrateful debtors.

By our acknowledgement of, and continuing gratitude for, the valiant efforts of the King of France's army and navy in support of American independence, we show our own greatness and the mean spirit of the modern French.

Our town band, in the independence day ceremony, make a point of playing at least one famous French military march (this year Le Regiment de Sambre et Meuse) to honor their contributions.

7 posted on 12/18/2005 6:29:58 AM PST by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo Arabiam Esse Delendam -- Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit)
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To: CatoRenasci
Yes...I took that quote as one made by an ill-informed Keach.

Thanks for filling in more of the story along with observations about Serge from your own CT point of view. It's contributions like yours that make FR the great site that it is.

Merrie Christmas to you and yours...

8 posted on 12/18/2005 6:37:53 AM PST by Pharmboy (The stone age didn't end because they ran out of stones.)
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To: Pharmboy

The schools should be keeping our ongoing history alive. The French can come up with the bucks for this project. We sent them Disney didn't we.


9 posted on 12/18/2005 6:52:04 AM PST by wizr (Fear not death. Christ lives.)
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To: Pharmboy
I wonder if the fact that I lived in Stamford for awhile has anything to do with my opinion.. perhaps there is something in the water...I digress.

As much as I am one for the occasional dig at the French, they did make very important sacrifices and contributions to the United States,(be it many many years ago-but they are undeniable.)

I agree it is important to honor those sacrifices in a public way and to highlight the history of the American Revolution. Believe me it pains me to think about, considering the attitude of the current French leadership,but- without the aid of France in our early fighting years- where would we be?

Who knows.

10 posted on 12/18/2005 7:02:05 AM PST by Diva Betsy Ross (Thank you troops.)
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To: Pharmboy
There were more Frenchmen killed at Yorktown than American revolutionaries,"...

And the favor has been repaid, twice in the past century. Next time, let the Germans keep France.

11 posted on 12/18/2005 7:11:14 AM PST by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?")
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To: Pharmboy

A "motley crew" that conducted itself so well, that it lost fewer troops at Yorktown. ;')


12 posted on 12/18/2005 7:15:45 AM PST by SunkenCiv ("In silence, and at night, the Conscience feels that life should soar to nobler ends than Power.")
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To: Pharmboy

Thanks for the ping.


13 posted on 12/18/2005 7:18:29 AM PST by aculeus
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To: Diva Betsy Ross
There is no question that we would not have won without the French. Without Comte de Grasse's fleet blockading the Brits, Yorktown would not have been ours. They also supplied military engineers (one of the biggest needs of Washington's army early in the war) and .50 calibre French muskets (the Brits used the Brown Bess which was .75 calibre) aside from the ground troops.
14 posted on 12/18/2005 7:18:49 AM PST by Pharmboy (The stone age didn't end because they ran out of stones.)
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To: SunkenCiv

A side note re Yorktown: as an assignment of honor, Alexander Hamilton asked Washington (the General called him "Alex") if he could lead his brigade along the most dangerous route. Washington accorded him that honor. Hamilton was not only a genius but a great and valiant soldier.


15 posted on 12/18/2005 7:22:46 AM PST by Pharmboy (The stone age didn't end because they ran out of stones.)
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To: JimRed

Agreed...remember that quote from The Great War: "Lafayette, we are here."


16 posted on 12/18/2005 7:24:46 AM PST by Pharmboy (The stone age didn't end because they ran out of stones.)
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To: aculeus

Always my pleasure...


17 posted on 12/18/2005 7:25:17 AM PST by Pharmboy (The stone age didn't end because they ran out of stones.)
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To: Pharmboy
True, the French played a closing role our winning the Revolutionary War. But that's only one chapter in history. French altruism has absolutely nothing to do with it. Remember that it was the French that incited the Indian Nations to massacre colonists in the French Indian War. After after the the American revolution, we were at war with France 1798-1800 (the Quasi war). France caused us many trade headaches as our nation was getting started.

The US colonies were just a pawn in the ongoing British/French antagonism. I adjust my appreciation accordingly.

It was the British War with France that enables the Louisiana Purchase and the British victory Waterloo that finally put an end to European designs on the New World. Our enemies merely canceled each other out in the end.
18 posted on 12/18/2005 8:05:57 AM PST by dropzone
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To: dropzone

No argument there...although I would add is that they could have supported us with money, supplies, weapons and ammunition and stopped short of ground troops. But, when Washington was president, he came to dislike the French immensely (remember Citizin Genet, etc.), and Jefferson was the major apologist for the French in our new country.


19 posted on 12/18/2005 8:11:31 AM PST by Pharmboy (The stone age didn't end because they ran out of stones.)
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To: Pharmboy
Prospect Hill
The Conanicut Battery, Newport Harbor

20 posted on 12/18/2005 9:18:37 AM PST by Sparky1776
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To: Sparky1776

From a plaque at Conanicut Battery:

"In the early 1770's - even before the Declaration of Independence - Narragansett Bay was the scene of frequent confrontations between the British Navy and Rhode Islanders. The British aggressively enforced their increasively expensive custom duties and the Rhode Islanders aggresively resisted the British.

In 1772 a group of Providence rebels captured and burned the HMS Gaspee. In 1773 the HMS Rose and 14 other warships shelled Bristol, while British naval forces regulary raided the coast and local shipping for food and supplies. In August 1775 the Rhode Island General Assembly had most of Jamestown livestock removed to relative safety of South Kingston. Around this same time Jamestown resident John Eldred, it is said, placed a cannon between two boulders overlooking East Pasge and fired occasionally at British ships passing by. On December 10-11, 1775, British mariners raided the small village at Jamestown. They burned almost all the houses along Narragansett Avenue, made off with available livestock, and effectively drove much of the population away.

The calamitous December raid, and realization that control of Conanicut Island could mean control of the bay, caused the colony to begin fortifying the island.

In January 1776 the General Assembly ordered 300 militiamen to Jamestown and, in May, voted to "employ a sufficient number of men to erect a fort at Beaver Tail, upon Conanicut to contain six or eight heavy canons". Shortly thereafter, on this site on Prospect Hill, troops erected an earthen gun battery with a commanding view of West Passage. The battery, probably crescent-shaped, took advantage of both height and slope of the terrain."


21 posted on 12/18/2005 9:21:37 AM PST by Sparky1776
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To: dropzone

I completely agree with you on that point. France didn't provide military support to the colonists in North America simply to engage in "nation-building." And you can be sure of something else, too . . . if anyone in France had stood up and suggested that "British tyranny is a religion of peace," he would have been strung up and shot in Paris.


22 posted on 12/18/2005 10:11:58 AM PST by Alberta's Child (What it all boils down to is that no one's really got it figured out just yet.)
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To: Pharmboy

You're a Hamiltonian, too? Well, Merry Christmas anyway FRiend. 8^)


23 posted on 12/18/2005 6:54:46 PM PST by j_tull (Merry Christmas!)
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To: j_tull
Yep...as I said, a big-tent Federalist, but a Federalist nonetheless.

And to prove my point, my daughter is applying to (Jefferson's) University of Virginia.

( :-D

24 posted on 12/18/2005 7:05:19 PM PST by Pharmboy (The stone age didn't end because they ran out of stones.)
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To: Sparky1776

Good footnote. Thanks!


25 posted on 12/19/2005 5:08:51 AM PST by an amused spectator (If Social Security isn't broken, then cut me a check for the cash I have into it.)
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Connecticut ping!

Please Freepmail me if you want on or off my infrequent Connecticut ping list.

26 posted on 12/19/2005 8:55:28 PM PST by nutmeg ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." - Hillary Clinton 6/28/04)
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To: Pharmboy

I think we've repaid this debt to France.

Twice. And then some.


27 posted on 12/19/2005 9:06:45 PM PST by kidd
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To: Pharmboy

Thanks for remembering Comte de Grasse's fleet. My ancestor was a young patriot and he served as a pilot on de Grasse's fleet.


28 posted on 12/21/2005 5:00:17 PM PST by ruoflaw
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To: dropzone

Yes, well I think that falls under the enemy of my enemy is my friend. We fought France under the British flag during the French and Indian war and then we fought against the British in Revolutionary war and then when Major General Anthony Wayne defeated the Indians at Fallen Timbers in 1794,the British were backing and inciting the Indians to riot and to kill and take Americans as hostages. I had forgotten about the Quasi war...the undeclared war fought entirely at sea.


29 posted on 12/21/2005 5:36:30 PM PST by ruoflaw
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To: Pharmboy

could you check post 29 and see if I missed anything?


30 posted on 12/22/2005 12:43:34 PM PST by ruoflaw
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