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Time to Investigate the Times
The American Thinker ^ | 12-18-05 | Richard N. Weltz

Posted on 12/18/2005 2:45:44 PM PST by smoothsailing

Time to Investigate the Times

By Richard N. Weltz

December 18,2005

Clandestine secret spying against our enemies by agencies of the Executive Branch is hardly new. One of the most famous examples, of course, is the U-2 spy plane program authorized by President Eisenhower in the 50s. As Eisenhower explained at the time, "no one wants another Pearl Harbor." He felt it his duty to protect the nation regardless of legal technicalities.

The U-2 spying overflights of the USSR were revealed only when one of the pilots, Gary Powers, was shot down by the Soviets; otherwise, the missions would have continued in deep secrecy.

Since then, the 1970s saw a severe weakening of America's ability to collect and share intelligence among its various protective agencies such as the CIA, FBI, and DIA—orchestrated by Sen. Frank Church, who did immeasurable damage to our intelligence establishment and made the need to bend rules even greater than it had been under Eisenhower.

Now revelations of secret, although carefully selective, interceptions of suspicious emails and phone calls between persons in the US and terror-connected individuals overseas have been made, not by an accident as in the U-2 case, but by the deliberate leak from presumably disgruntled bureaucrats to the New York Times – a publication ever willing to print anything that will damage an administration (remember the Pentagon Papers) it doesn't like, regardless of the damage to national security.

In this case, the President made it clear in his address yesterday that:

"...the existence of this secret program was revealed in media reports after being improperly provided to news organizations. As a result, our enemies have learned information they should not have."

"The unauthorized disclosure of this effort damages our national security and puts our citizens at risk. Revealing classified information is illegal, alerts our enemies and endangers our country."

Obviously, classified information, harmful to the security of the United States and useful to its enemies, was illegally disclosed by one or more government employees. This is a serious matter, bordering on, if not actually constituting treason; and it is far more serious than the phony "outing" of a non-undercover publicity hound named Plame.

The President should immediately instruct the Justice Department to commence a full-scale investigation to determine who leaked this information, and see to it that those guilty are prosecuted to the full extent of applicable law. The investigation should be conducted by Justice's regular investigative staff—no "special" or "independent" prosecutors wanted or needed; and one of it's primary and initial methods should be to subpoena management, editorial, and reportorial personnel at the New York Times under threat of jail time for contempt if they refuse to name the sources who provided this classified information to them.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: communistsubversion; gramsci; leftistsubversion; newyorktimes; nsa; nyt; patriotleak; probe; sedition; treason

1 posted on 12/18/2005 2:45:45 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing
Mysterious how the howls for finding leakers of secret information suddenly silence when a real crime has happened...
2 posted on 12/18/2005 2:48:15 PM PST by kingu
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To: smoothsailing

For a second I thougt Time Magazine was going to join the 'good guys'.


3 posted on 12/18/2005 2:48:40 PM PST by Semper Paratus
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To: smoothsailing
The President should immediately instruct the Justice Department to commence a full-scale investigation to determine who leaked this information, and see to it that those guilty are prosecuted to the full extent of applicable law. The investigation should be conducted by Justice's regular investigative staff—no "special" or "independent" prosecutors wanted or needed; and one of it's primary and initial methods should be to subpoena management, editorial, and reportorial personnel at the New York Times under threat of jail time for contempt if they refuse to name the sources who provided this classified information to them.

This isn't about free speech anymore. Some people should be doing some hard time for compromising national security.

4 posted on 12/18/2005 2:49:44 PM PST by Herford Turley (Conservatism will save America)
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To: kingu

You can say that again. Where's the: "We must know now!"


5 posted on 12/18/2005 2:50:40 PM PST by Herford Turley (Conservatism will save America)
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To: smoothsailing

This "scandal" is nothing more than a Book Promotion and a masking of the Iraq Vote!!

Pray for W and Our Victorious Troops


6 posted on 12/18/2005 2:52:24 PM PST by bray (Merry Christmas Iraq)
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To: Semper Paratus
HA! I bet that was a shock!
7 posted on 12/18/2005 2:54:15 PM PST by smoothsailing ('68'69 Nam vet-NEVER FORGET)
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To: smoothsailing
Investigate more than the Times. Investigate who leaked it to the Times.
8 posted on 12/18/2005 2:57:26 PM PST by MizSterious (Anonymous sources often means "the voices in my head told me.")
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To: bray
This "scandal" is nothing more than a Book Promotion and a masking of the Iraq Vote!!

No. It's more than that. It's a breach of National Security and the NY Slimes and the leaker should be held accountable.

9 posted on 12/18/2005 2:57:56 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: smoothsailing
AMEN!

10 posted on 12/18/2005 2:59:47 PM PST by Zacs Mom (Proud wife of a Marine! ... and purveyor of "rampant, unedited dialogue")
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To: bray
That's all it is to the Slimes, what do they care?

I hope President Bush drops the hammer on those stinking commie bast@rds.Shut that seditious propaganda mill down once and for all.

11 posted on 12/18/2005 2:59:59 PM PST by smoothsailing ('68'69 Nam vet-NEVER FORGET)
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To: MizSterious
Absolutely. Without the leakers, the story stops.
12 posted on 12/18/2005 3:03:34 PM PST by smoothsailing ('68'69 Nam vet-NEVER FORGET)
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To: smoothsailing

Reason # 659,329 why we should
NEVER enact a Federal journalist's shield law.


13 posted on 12/18/2005 3:05:06 PM PST by Wally_Kalbacken
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To: smoothsailing

"Obviously, classified information, harmful to the security of the United States and useful to its enemies, was illegally disclosed by one or more government employees. This is a serious matter, bordering on, if not actually constituting treason..."

The Slimes and the Leaker(s) ARE a serious threat to National Security, PERIOD.


14 posted on 12/18/2005 3:08:37 PM PST by SeaBiscuit (God Bless all who defend America and Friends, the rest can go to hell.)
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To: smoothsailing
It would be such a tragedy if one of our cruise missiles "accidentally" was programed to take out that mausoleum!

Pray for W and Our Victorious Troops
15 posted on 12/18/2005 3:08:45 PM PST by bray (Merry Christmas Iraq)
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To: Herford Turley

Compared to the "outing" of Plame this looks like a real crime. Wanna bet it gets swept under the rug? Very few in the MSM have thus far questioned the NYTs timing of this story or the motive for printing it.

The good news is that the NYT is losing the last of its credibility. They are nothing but a hack newspaper shilling for the DNC.


16 posted on 12/18/2005 3:11:18 PM PST by kjo
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To: Herford Turley
This isn't about free speech anymore.

Bingo! This is a deliberate act of exposing a classified program in an attempt to smear the current administration.It is without a doubt illegal. No 1st Amendment protection here.

17 posted on 12/18/2005 3:11:34 PM PST by smoothsailing ('68'69 Nam vet-NEVER FORGET)
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To: smoothsailing

That's correct. No 1st Amendment protection for crimes.


18 posted on 12/18/2005 3:16:42 PM PST by Herford Turley (Conservatism will save America)
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To: Zacs Mom

I sincerely hope that tonight's Oval Office address has undergone a drastic rewrite...but I don't hold out much optimism.


19 posted on 12/18/2005 3:19:09 PM PST by ErnBatavia (I post in slang..live with it or ignore it - reader's choice.)
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To: DJ MacWoW
No. It's more than that. It's a breach of National Security and the NY Slimes and the leaker should be held accountable.

I'm in agreement. I want frogmarching, a police booking, lots of pictures and time to draw a crowd.

20 posted on 12/18/2005 3:20:58 PM PST by Herford Turley (Conservatism will save America)
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To: bray
HA! You could accomplish the same thing by marching a platoon of Marines through the building.

Those commie pansies would faint dead away at the mere sight of real men.

21 posted on 12/18/2005 3:21:44 PM PST by smoothsailing ('68'69 Nam vet-NEVER FORGET)
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To: ErnBatavia

"My fellow Americans. Tonight, I have ordered the arrest of the following United States Senators and their staff....."


22 posted on 12/18/2005 3:23:47 PM PST by digger48
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To: smoothsailing

Can I get an AMEN.

The leakers and the Times reporter must be lawyer shopping at this point. They should know Bush was not bluffing when he called the leaks illegal.


23 posted on 12/18/2005 3:24:59 PM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestu s globus, inflammare animos)
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To: DJ MacWoW

***It's a breach of National Security and the NY Slimes and the leaker should be held accountable.***

Thet are traitors to this country. I want a perp walk, and life in prison at the least.


24 posted on 12/18/2005 3:25:44 PM PST by kitkat (Democrat/Socialist/Communist.= Hillary the RED)
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To: kingu
Mysterious how the howls for finding leakers of secret information suddenly silence when a real crime has happened...

It would be nice if such investigation took 30-60 days, rather than 2-3 years. I hope this leak is the straw that broke the camels back...

25 posted on 12/18/2005 3:27:43 PM PST by operation clinton cleanup
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To: MizSterious

I think the reporter should be jailed for exposing the top secret program. This is definitly "loose lips sink ships" scenario.


26 posted on 12/18/2005 3:30:13 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: smoothsailing

"Is Time Warner Good For America?"


27 posted on 12/18/2005 3:38:18 PM PST by TET1968
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To: kjo

Time is "investigating" because they already wrote the story saying that NYT walks on water.

Time is the LAST "news" organization to be trusted.


28 posted on 12/18/2005 3:42:02 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: Herford Turley
I want frogmarching..

..followed by frog gigging and frog boiling.

29 posted on 12/18/2005 3:50:00 PM PST by smoothsailing ('68'69 Nam vet-NEVER FORGET)
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To: smoothsailing

bump


30 posted on 12/18/2005 3:54:19 PM PST by wouldntbprudent
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To: TET1968; ErnBatavia; smoothsailing







31 posted on 12/18/2005 3:55:55 PM PST by Zacs Mom (Proud wife of a Marine! ... and purveyor of "rampant, unedited dialogue")
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To: SeaBiscuit
The Slimes and the Leaker(s) ARE a serious threat to National Security, PERIOD.

Ride 'em, SeaBiscuit. Ride 'em. Amen!

32 posted on 12/18/2005 3:56:31 PM PST by Herford Turley (Conservatism will save America)
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To: smoothsailing
..followed by frog gigging and frog boiling.

And done publicly so that America could watch it all on Prime Time television.

33 posted on 12/18/2005 3:57:30 PM PST by Herford Turley (Conservatism will save America)
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To: Zacs Mom
So true, and well done! Thanks for posting!
34 posted on 12/18/2005 4:03:52 PM PST by smoothsailing ('68'69 Nam vet-NEVER FORGET)
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To: smoothsailing

The new york times held the story for over 1 year.

According to my calculations, the leak occured late during the '04 campaign. A conincidence?????


35 posted on 12/18/2005 4:15:33 PM PST by Loyal Buckeye
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To: smoothsailing

The investigation should have begun and been concluded by now, with charges filed.


36 posted on 12/18/2005 4:17:59 PM PST by freema (Proud Marine Mom-What fools they are who doubt the ability of liberty to triumph over despotism)
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To: kitkat; Herford Turley
I want a perp walk, and life in prison at the least.

I want frogmarching, a police booking, lots of pictures and time to draw a crowd.

It won't happen unless Americans get angry and loud.

37 posted on 12/18/2005 4:20:28 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: freema
The investigation should have begun and been concluded by now, with charges filed.

I don't get that either.The NYT says they sat on it for a year at the request of the administration.Just because the NYT says that, it doesn't make it so, obviously.

But still, if true, wouldn't the administration have been tipped off a year ago that there had to be a leaker somewhere?

38 posted on 12/18/2005 4:54:48 PM PST by smoothsailing ('68'69 Nam vet-NEVER FORGET)
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To: smoothsailing

39 posted on 12/18/2005 4:56:01 PM PST by Zacs Mom (Proud wife of a Marine! ... and purveyor of "rampant, unedited dialogue")
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To: Zacs Mom

You've left me speechless. Well done.


40 posted on 12/18/2005 5:05:38 PM PST by freema (Proud Marine Mom-What fools they are who doubt the ability of liberty to triumph over despotism)
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To: smoothsailing

Who's been 'let go' in the last year?


41 posted on 12/18/2005 5:06:58 PM PST by freema (Proud Marine Mom-What fools they are who doubt the ability of liberty to triumph over despotism)
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To: freema
Who's been 'let go' in the last year.

Good question.

I imagine a good number of people at all levels have left. One guy I'm personally wary of is Lawrence Wilkerson.

He was Colin Powell's chief of staff and has been bad-mouthing President Bush for about a year now.

I'm not saying it was him, but he may have been privy to the operation.

42 posted on 12/18/2005 5:17:28 PM PST by smoothsailing ('68'69 Nam vet-NEVER FORGET)
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To: Zacs Mom
SEDITIONISTS
43 posted on 12/18/2005 5:38:28 PM PST by smoothsailing ('68'69 Nam vet-NEVER FORGET)
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To: Zacs Mom
Hey Thanks!
I'll put those pictures in my '2006 - FACES OF EVIL Calendar' with a Quote from each of them per day.

I was going to use bin Laden and Al Jizeera quotes, but the quotes from Osama Al Murtha, Nasty Pelozi, and Sheik Ketchup al-Kerry are much better!

And Al Jizeera is just quoting them anyway! So I might as well go with the originals!

hmm..
I guess I will be needing 365 of the best Quotes from the above mentioned demo-liberal propagndists. Does anyone have a Best of the Best (or worst) list?
44 posted on 12/18/2005 5:45:57 PM PST by Klinx
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To: DJ MacWoW
Americans should shame and mock any US Congressman or Senator that speaks to the NYT.

The WH spokesman should refuse to grant them entrance into the briefing room.

Starting tomorrow.
45 posted on 12/18/2005 5:46:36 PM PST by roses of sharon
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To: smoothsailing

The DUmmies are cursing the NYT as well, although for not releasing the information. Seems we share something in common with the enemy.


46 posted on 12/18/2005 5:48:49 PM PST by Hardastarboard
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To: Zacs Mom

Great post, thanks!


47 posted on 12/18/2005 5:52:10 PM PST by demkicker
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To: smoothsailing

Powell has been very quiet, but just came out with some remarks...


48 posted on 12/18/2005 5:54:30 PM PST by freema (Proud Marine Mom-What fools they are who doubt the ability of liberty to triumph over despotism)
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To: smoothsailing
Now revelations of secret, although carefully selective, interceptions of suspicious emails and phone calls between persons in the US and terror-connected individuals overseas...

Why was it necessary to do this spying without a warrant? Who determines that necessity? Who, ultimately, takes responsibility should that power be abused?

And a question for FReepers: Would you feel the same way if it was President Clinton?

I support the WoT wholeheartedly, but I also don't lightly give up my Constitutional rights.

49 posted on 12/18/2005 5:59:18 PM PST by Zeroisanumber
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To: Zeroisanumber
I support the WoT wholeheartedly, but I also don't lightly give up my Constitutional rights.

Nor should you.

50 posted on 12/18/2005 6:45:49 PM PST by smoothsailing ('68'69 Nam vet-NEVER FORGET)
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