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Islamist state in Europe?
The Washington Times ^ | 12/18/2005 | Jeffrey T. Kuhner

Posted on 12/18/2005 3:52:51 PM PST by thierrya

Islamist state in Europe?

By Jeffrey T. Kuhner

Published December 18, 2005

The Bush administration has decided to get involved in another dangerous nation-building project -- in the volatile Balkans.

More ominously, the effects of this intervention will lay the groundwork for an Islamist state in the heart of Europe.

Recently, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and the leaders of Bosnia's three main groups -- Muslims, Serbs and Croats -- met in Washington to celebrate the 10th anniversary of the Dayton Accords, which ended Europe's worst bloodletting since 1945. The administration should have limited itself to a symbolic remembrance. Instead, it pressured Bosnia's political representatives to sign an agreement demanding constitutional reforms by early next year. The plan seeks to establish a centralized, unitary republic dominated by a strong government in Sarajevo. The ultimate goal is to forge a more cohesive state that will finally eradicate the country's ethnic divisions. Bosnia's current political system, with its rotating tripartite presidency, parallel administrations and vast bureaucracy, is neither rational nor efficient. Reform is needed. The American-backed plan, however, is a recipe for disaster. It is a form of radical social engineering that will have to be imposed against the wishes of the country's Serb and Croat populations.

More importantly, it will pave the way for potentially turning Bosnia into Europe's first Islamic republic. This will destabilize not only the Balkans, but the entire European continent.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: antiamerican; antichristian; balkans; bosnia; clintonistas; clintonlegacy; clintonsquagmire; eurabia; europe; europeanmuslims; hoopielite; islam; islamiccrusade; islamists; islamofascist; muslims; sorosfluffers; wrongplace; wrongside; wrongtime; wrongwar; yugoslavia

1 posted on 12/18/2005 3:52:53 PM PST by thierrya
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To: thierrya
...pave the way for potentially turning Bosnia into Europe's first Islamic republic.

Unless le muzz in Frogville succeed in forming their own nation in France. However, doubt that it would be a republic.

2 posted on 12/18/2005 4:01:16 PM PST by luvbach1 (Near the belly of the beast in San Diego)
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To: thierrya

How do you get an islamist state from a nation that's 44% Muslim?

Answer: You don't, except in the fantasies of those who hate Bosnian Muslims (who are the least Islamic Muslims on Earth).

The whole point of keeping Bosnia in one piece was to keep there from being an Islamic-dominated rump state to begin with. We've succeeded to that end.

The Serbs and the Croats who dream of the next war will surely be disappointed. Boo hoo.


3 posted on 12/18/2005 4:02:48 PM PST by Appalled but Not Surprised
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To: Appalled but Not Surprised
Why should anyone insist on keeping a multiethnic, yet highly segregated, Bosnia intact? Why was a truly pluralist and multiethnic Yugoslavia let to slide into the abyss of civil war?

Bosnia should be a federal state with three distinct ethno-religious provinces (Serb, Croat and Muslim). A weak(er) central government will be in charge of monetary policy, customs, foreign affairs, traffic & communications, environment, health and defence. Everything else should be left to the provincial governments. If that doesn't work out, it should be dissolved. There's no third option.

4 posted on 12/18/2005 6:07:39 PM PST by Banat ("You've got two empty 'alves of coconut, and you're banging 'em together!")
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To: Banat

Why should anyone insist on keeping a multiethnic, yet highly segregated, Bosnia intact? Why was a truly pluralist and multiethnic Yugoslavia let to slide into the abyss of civil war?>>>

1. Because it's better to have one small state of 3 million people than 3 small states of 1 million people. Besides, Bosnia works as an artificial multiethnic state a lot better than it did as a mindless war zone.

2. Forcing ethnicities to live together is WHAT STATES DO.

3. Yugoslavia was one of two things: either a Serb mini-empire (1919-1941) or a Commie mini-empire (1945-1990). When the commies went away the Serbs tried to make it into a Serb mini-empire again in 1991. When the other ethnicities didn't want to submit, the Serbs ran amuck.

Don't blame the Muslims for that one. This time at least they have grounds for complaint.


5 posted on 12/18/2005 6:13:18 PM PST by Appalled but Not Surprised
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To: Appalled but Not Surprised
bosnia gave passports to bin laden and other 9/11 terrorists.

ALL I NEED TO KNOW ABOUT ANY MUSLIM I LEARNED ON 9/11!!!

bosnia sucks!

6 posted on 12/18/2005 8:09:32 PM PST by Lion in Winter (only good nazi/fascist is a dead nazi/fascist!!!!)
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To: Appalled but Not Surprised
1. Because it's better to have one small state of 3 million people than 3 small states of 1 million people.

Bosnia may be small but it is probably the most inefficient state known to political scientists the world over. There's the central gov't in Sarajevo and the Government of Republika Srpska + there are 17 other administrative authorities (the 10 cantons in the Federation and the 7 districts of Republika Srpska) which have about 10 ministries/departments each. All this in a state that's smaller than Maine.

Besides, in the case of dissolution, Herceg-Bosna might join Croatia, and Republika Srpska might join Serbia. So, we won't have three small states with 1M people each.

Besides, Bosnia works as an artificial multiethnic state a lot better than it did as a mindless war zone.

I agree. But the fact that it was an artificial multiethnic state was what caused the war in the first place.

2. Forcing ethnicities to live together is WHAT STATES DO.

It's not what nation-states do. :-) And, anyway, there is little desire among Croats and Serbs in Bosnia to live in a unitary, Muslim-dominated state. Despite the fact that they comprise the majority of population (17.5% and 36%, respectively), the Muslims won't accept anything less than near-absolute control over Bosnia.

3. Yugoslavia was one of two things: either a Serb mini-empire (1919-1941) or a Commie mini-empire (1945-1990). When the commies went away the Serbs tried to make it into a Serb mini-empire again in 1991. When the other ethnicities didn't want to submit, the Serbs ran amuck.

Strange, because Serbia was and is the most multiethnic of all the former Yugoslav republics (30% of the population is non-Serb, and some 27 minorities live in Serbia).

Serbia emerged as a victor in WWI and had already been an independent kingdom for 50 years. Serbia was offered the whole of Bosnia and half of Croatia in 1919, but Belgrade refused that, opting instead for a pan-Slavic state (later Yugoslavia). Obviously, the subjugation and domination of other ethnic groups wasn't high on the agenda.

Don't blame the Muslims for that one. This time at least they have grounds for complaint.

They have no right to complain. They unilaterally and unconstitutionally seceded from Yugoslavia in 1992 and refused on more than one occassion different peace plans offered by the EU.

7 posted on 12/18/2005 8:16:51 PM PST by Banat ("You've got two empty 'alves of coconut, and you're banging 'em together!")
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To: luvbach1
he article:

" During the Bosnian war of 1992-1995, many of the country's Muslims became radicalized. Thousands of foreign Arab fighters, known as the mujahideen, infiltrated into Bosnia in order to wage jihad against Christian Serb and Catholic Croat forces. Iran and Saudi Arabia's influence over the Bosnian Muslim authorities grew as the war ground on. Radical Islam took root in the Balkans."

And the influence grows even today.

Never trust MUSLIM folks who WILLINGLY provided hitler with two divisions of SS to be used to kill CHRISTIANS... the ancestors of the same Serbian Christians they tortured and murdered in the 1990s.

Oh, but in the 1990s the SERBS FOUGHT BACK.

And, that is the real reason the bosnian muslims are so pissed at the SERBS... in the 1990s the SERBS said, "NEVER AGAIN!! AND FOUGHT AS HARD AS THEY COULD TO STOP BOSNIA FROM BECOMING AN ISLAMIC STATE.

Oh, well.. the bosnian muslims are such a silly bunch. A poor little hellhole of a country, with great numbers of unemployed people. Just like their co-religionists in those so-called "palestinian refugee camps".

oh, boo hoo. I mean HAHA!!

8 posted on 12/18/2005 8:23:07 PM PST by Lion in Winter (only good nazi/fascist is a dead nazi/fascist!!!!)
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To: Banat
BTTT.

Bosnian muslims are such a ridiculous group of numbn--ts.

Can you even imagine the Japs crying foul that the USA was fighting back after the Japs bombed Pearl.

That's what attacked folks do.. they fight back back... IF they have any gumption!!

bosnian muslims are craven NAZI cowards just like they were when they followed their buddy HITLER during WWII.

Oh, how those bosnians want us to forget their leader in the 1990s was a HITLER supporter!!

I was around as a teen, during WWII and my older brothers fought nazis. I loathed the nazis then and NOW!!

9 posted on 12/18/2005 8:41:20 PM PST by Lion in Winter (only good nazi/fascist is a dead nazi/fascist!!!!)
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To: thierrya
Another choice tidbit from the VERY telling article:

"What is most disturbing, however, is the influx of young Bosnian Muslim fighters into Iraq. They are joining the Islamofascist insurgents in their barbaric campaign against U.S. forces. At one of Sarajevo's main mosques, the second highest-ranking cleric in the country, Ismet Spahic, has publicly denounced the U.S.-led war in Iraq as "genocide."

"This small minority of Islamic militants is growing, like a cancer on Bosnia's body politic. Thus far, the U.S., the European Union and the Sarajevo authorities have ignored the problem."

I wonder if that minority of radical MUSLIM bosnians had ancestors in Hitler's BOSNIAN SS ????

The little acorns do not fall from the family tree.

10 posted on 12/18/2005 8:50:14 PM PST by Lion in Winter (only good nazi/fascist is a dead nazi/fascist!!!!)
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To: Appalled but Not Surprised
Don't sweat it.

America's pretty much figured out that the Serbs don't matter anymore - their ability to cause trouble to anyone but themselves has been constrained.

As for the Croats, they've still got their lunatic fringe looking to replay 1995 to gain more advantage in Bosnia, but the mainstream in Zagreb knows better.

So it's all over 'cept for the crying, which we see a lot of here on FR.

11 posted on 12/18/2005 9:26:50 PM PST by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite

You've got another clueless soul to join your Muhammedan choir.


12 posted on 12/18/2005 10:16:16 PM PST by Banat ("You've got two empty 'alves of coconut, and you're banging 'em together!")
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To: Banat

Tissue?


13 posted on 12/18/2005 10:35:53 PM PST by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite

What's the matter old man, Turk got your tongue?


14 posted on 12/18/2005 10:48:58 PM PST by montyspython (Love that chicken from Popeye's)
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To: Hoplite

Another Depends for you?


15 posted on 12/18/2005 10:49:37 PM PST by montyspython (Love that chicken from Popeye's)
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To: thierrya

I always thought Albania was muslim....

And, last I looked, they were part of Europe...

Albania Kosovo...


16 posted on 12/18/2005 10:51:49 PM PST by Prost1 (Sandy Berger can steal, Clinton can cheat, but Bush can't listen!)
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To: Lion in Winter
bosnian muslims are craven NAZI cowards just like they were when they followed their buddy HITLER during WWII. Oh, how those bosnians want us to forget their leader in the 1990s was a HITLER supporter!! I was around as a teen, during WWII and my older brothers fought nazis. I loathed the nazis then and NOW!!

I share your view about nazis, but contemporary muslim bosnians have nothing to do with the 3rd Reich. This is simply wrong and BS. Although there were some muslim members in the late SS, to the real nazis around Himmler those "mixed" races on the Balkans were biological BS.

17 posted on 12/19/2005 12:51:07 AM PST by Atlantic Bridge (O tempora! O mores!)
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To: thierrya; ninenot; sittnick; steve50; Hegemony Cricket; Willie Green; Wolfie; ex-snook; FITZ; ...
More importantly, it will pave the way for potentially turning Bosnia into Europe's first Islamic republic.

Blame Clinton!

18 posted on 12/19/2005 7:17:17 AM PST by A. Pole (" There is no other god but Free Market, and Adam Smith is his prophet ! Bazaar Akbar! ")
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To: Appalled but Not Surprised
How do you get an islamist state from a nation that's 44% Muslim? Answer: You don't, except in the fantasies of those who hate Bosnian Muslims (who are the least Islamic Muslims on Earth).

You forgot the birth rates and fleeing of non-Muslims. Lebanon was a Christian country and Kosovo was Christian too.

44% means Muslim majority is a few years.

19 posted on 12/19/2005 7:19:27 AM PST by A. Pole (" There is no other god but Free Market, and Adam Smith is his prophet ! Bazaar Akbar! ")
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To: Appalled but Not Surprised
Forcing ethnicities to live together is WHAT STATES DO.

Welcome to Free Republic.

20 posted on 12/19/2005 7:20:42 AM PST by A. Pole (Good Muslims emulate the life of prophet Muhammad. Good Buddhists emulate Buddha. To each his own.)
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To: Appalled but Not Surprised
Don't blame the Muslims for that one. This time at least they have grounds for complaint.

Muslims ALWAYS have grounds for complaint. In France, in Australia, in Netherlands, in Kosovo, everywhere they go.

21 posted on 12/19/2005 7:22:10 AM PST by A. Pole (Good Muslims emulate the life of prophet Muhammad. Good Buddhists emulate Buddha. To each his own.)
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To: Atlantic Bridge

Bosnian Muslims are involved in giving passports to Al-Quaeda members and that i snazi enough for me.
And, Would you like to live in Bosnia in place of Christians?


22 posted on 12/19/2005 7:36:27 AM PST by kronos77 (Kosovo I Metohija - "Field of Blackbirds And Land of The Monastry" full ofitial name.)
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To: Appalled but Not Surprised; zagor-te-nej; Lion in Winter; Honorary Serb; jb6; Incorrigible; DTA; ...
And a "fond" welcome back to our old friend Ronly Bonly bin Laden and the Great Prophet Zarqawi.

Free Republic's Balkan threads are just too much for your average (Ok, less-than-average) Islamofascist cheerleader to resist!
23 posted on 12/19/2005 7:40:48 AM PST by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: kronos77

It is a question of definitions. Nazism is completly different to Islamism although the outcome is the same. One is a strange ideology the other one a strange religion.

I hate both and I do not want to live in Bosnia anyway but I like to give things the right name.


24 posted on 12/19/2005 7:46:50 AM PST by Atlantic Bridge (O tempora! O mores!)
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To: Appalled but Not Surprised
How do you get an islamist state from a nation that's 44% Muslim?

By continuing Slick Willie's plan for tyranny inflicted by the Muslims while sucking up (well, sort of) to the Muhammedan world.

This idea appears to work for the sort of folks who don't mind living in kneepads.

25 posted on 12/19/2005 7:48:04 AM PST by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: Hoplite; Banat
Tissue?

Those are only needed by our erstwhile Soros fluffers, you know!

26 posted on 12/19/2005 8:34:47 AM PST by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: Hoplite; Appalled but Not Surprised; zagor-te-nej; Lion in Winter; Honorary Serb; jb6; ...
From the article:
What is most disturbing, however, is the influx of young Bosnian Muslim fighters into Iraq. They are joining the Islamofascist insurgents in their barbaric campaign against U.S. forces. At one of Sarajevo's main mosques, the second highest-ranking cleric in the country, Ismet Spahic, has publicly denounced the U.S.-led war in Iraq as "genocide."

Game. Set. Match!

The Bosnian Muslims are not our allies, just the thugs cowering behind our troops who's guns are pointing in the wrong direction.

27 posted on 12/19/2005 8:39:42 AM PST by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: Alex-DV; ValenB4; truemiester; anonymoussierra; zagor-te-nej; Freelance Warrior; kedr; mm77; ...

Imagine that, Bosnian islamics are helping to kill Americans. Wow, now there's gratitude for you...oh wait this is Islam. My bad.


28 posted on 12/19/2005 9:34:21 AM PST by jb6 (The Atheist/Pagan mind, a quandary wrapped in egoism and served with a side order of self importance)
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To: thierrya; jb6

Very disturbing. As if Europe didn't have enough problems with Islamists already. Theo Van Gog murder, riots in France, 3-11 Madrid Bombing, etc--unfortunately PC think still predominant in State Dept.


29 posted on 12/19/2005 9:37:41 AM PST by sergey1973 (Russian American Political Blogger, Arm Chair Strategist)
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To: sergey1973
The West as a whole, from Russia through to Australia, will continue to play games and intrigues with each other until a western city goes up in nuclear hellfire or dissolves in a biological plague. Only then will the shock really take root and the slaughter of the islamics that will follow will make the meat grinders of WW2 look small and tame. In the US for example, I will all but guarantee you there will be mass murder and mosque burnings in the streets, especially if its an american city.
30 posted on 12/19/2005 9:45:16 AM PST by jb6 (The Atheist/Pagan mind, a quandary wrapped in egoism and served with a side order of self importance)
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To: Atlantic Bridge
>>>>>It is a question of definitions. Nazism is completly different to Islamism although the outcome is the same. One is a strange ideology the other one a strange religion.<<<<<


31 posted on 12/19/2005 6:49:08 PM PST by DTA
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To: Hoplite

Marcus, do you believe we are on the cusp fighting a Crusades? A Muslims v. Infidels/NonMuslims Crusades, that is.


32 posted on 12/19/2005 7:41:59 PM PST by ma bell ("Take me to the Brig. I want to see the "real Marines". Major General Chesty Puller, USMC)
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To: FormerLib

Huh?


33 posted on 12/20/2005 3:29:59 AM PST by Appalled but Not Surprised
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To: Appalled but Not Surprised

Come on Bonly, who do you think you're fooling?

That's right, no-body!


34 posted on 12/20/2005 8:44:33 AM PST by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: Appalled but Not Surprised


Whatever.


35 posted on 12/20/2005 9:57:03 AM PST by Appalled but Not Surprised
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To: Appalled but Not Surprised
Get with the program, Bonly-boy!
36 posted on 12/20/2005 2:08:46 PM PST by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: FormerLib

You are making no sense. Really. I have no idea what you're talking about.


37 posted on 12/20/2005 3:41:14 PM PST by Appalled but Not Surprised
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To: Appalled but Not Surprised

Bonly, if you didn't want us to know it was you, you should have changed some of the details of your posting style. They gave you away immediately.

It was so obvious.

Sort of like the support of the Muhammedan thugs is counter to American interests is obvious.


38 posted on 12/20/2005 5:25:07 PM PST by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: Appalled but Not Surprised
the fantasies of those who hate Bosnian Muslims (who are the least Islamic Muslims on Earth).

But who were the most Nazi Muslims on Earth.


39 posted on 12/20/2005 5:33:04 PM PST by Alouette (Learned Mother of Zion)
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To: FormerLib

To jihad lovers that too must be Serb fault.


40 posted on 12/20/2005 7:29:10 PM PST by zagor-te-nej (USS - United States of Serbia)
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To: JesseJane

bump

mark


41 posted on 12/22/2005 7:04:21 PM PST by JesseJane (Dear GOP: It's the aliens, stupid. It's the Constitution, stupid. It's America First, period.)
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